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Kilkenny and Tipp Give Us A Traditional All Ireland Hurling Final

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Let's get the ball rolling. What are your thoughts? I'm really looking forward to it. The way Tipp responded to all the setbacks to eventually get to the final will give the team greater belief. I for 1 would see it as 50/50 with a winner after a huge battle. Coopers_Helmet (Tipperary) - Posts: 154 - 31/07/2019 12:02:15 2219057 Link
Too early for this, still coming down from the semi final..... ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 01/08/2019 00:05:16 2219298 Link
Replying To ballydalane: "Too early for this, still coming down from the semi final....." If you are still only coming down after the semi-final image the high that Tipp supporters have to come down from. Coopers_Helmet (Tipperary) - Posts: 154 - 01/08/2019 11:08:28 2219356 Link
Replying To ballydalane: "Too early for this, still coming down from the semi final....." If you are still only coming down after the semi-final image the high that Tipp supporters have to come down from. Coopers_Helmet (Tipperary) - Posts: 154 - 01/08/2019 11:15:35 2219362 Link
Have watched the kk Limerick match back twice now. After the high of being there it's clear Limerick left it behind them. They took over the game from 18 minutes in bar a 6 minute spell in the middle of the second half. I'd make tipp 5-6 point favourites. They have no fear of Kilkenny and I think their backline will like that probable kk forward line due to lack of pace from kk there bar Colin fennelly. Tipp 3-23 kk 2-21 shoulders (Kilkenny) - Posts: 23 - 05/08/2019 09:38:50 2220987 Link
An intriguing battle alright ! Its difficult to judge based on the semi finals as both Limerick and Wexford employ different tactics that do need to be countered to win . Tipp wont be dropping their half forwards back like Limerick do ( although if they did , KK could not afford to give them same space ) . Kilkenny will bring the same , if not more physicality that destroyed Tipp in the Munster final. But Tipps forwards are serious scoring operators who need minimum space to score and , on their day , are almost impossible to contain. Tipps defence , particularly the Mahers, ultimately outmuscled the Wexford attack but KK forwards are a different animal physically. However, For me, its maybe just a year too soon for Kilkenny with this side and ultimately the likes of Callinan and Noel McGraths experience will win their respective match-ups seeing them over the line. But its Cody .... hard to call and will probably change my mind each day from now ! Lets just hope we are not talking about referees after . Finsceal (None) - Posts: 559 - 05/08/2019 11:35:11 2221040 Link
If both teams play to their 'potential ' there will only be one winner tipp .. Hitnhurl (Cork) - Posts: 92 - 05/08/2019 11:56:38 2221052 Link
Plus, Colin Fennelly a big injury doubt for Kilkenny. shoulders (Kilkenny) - Posts: 23 - 05/08/2019 12:41:05 2221081 Link
Plus, Colin Fennelly a big injury doubt for Kilkenny. shoulders (Kilkenny) - Posts: 23 - 05/08/2019 12:44:55 2221083 Link
I have searched up and down on the internet but I cannot figure out if the game ends in a draw will there be a replay? As there were no replays in the semi-finals and none of the regular websites list the fact that the semi-finals were non-replay games information is thin on the ground. Can anyone confirm for me please, as I wish to visit Kilkenny this month and hope my visit does not make train tickets very hard to get due to a replay. EoghanMag (Westmeath) - Posts: 1 - 05/08/2019 12:49:41 2221085 Link
Replying To Hitnhurl: "If both teams play to their 'potential ' there will only be one winner tipp .." Tipp rarely underperform in All Ireland Finals.I think their win rate in Finals is 68% compared for example to Galway who often underperform in hurling finals with a win rate of only 20%.Sheedy came back to win an All-Ireland with these players.Tipp have their poor performance behind them(Munster Final).Don't of course write off Cody and Kilkenny but Tipp to win on August 18 . endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2164 - 05/08/2019 12:58:39 2221089 Link
Replying To shoulders: "Plus, Colin Fennelly a big injury doubt for Kilkenny." Did he pick up a nock against Limerick? I couldn't understand why he was taken off, alarm bells were going off everytime he got the ball. Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1909 - 05/08/2019 13:12:00 2221095 Link
On paper Tipp should win pulling up. They have by far the greater number of top players. However will they? It is Kilkenny and Cody who losing is never on the radar for them. They will throttle you player by player and minute by minute. If you do not control them and out play them when they come out after half time you are going to be rolled over. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 05/08/2019 14:47:01 2221146 Link
As with any cody team u need to match them for heart and intensity for 76 minutes only then will your superior hurling players prove the difference. It's a final it's kk vs tipp so could go anyway but if gun to my head tipp all day long Hitnhurl (Cork) - Posts: 92 - 05/08/2019 15:00:16 2221158 Link
Replying To endgame: "Tipp rarely underperform in All Ireland Finals.I think their win rate in Finals is 68% compared for example to Galway who often underperform in hurling finals with a win rate of only 20%.Sheedy came back to win an All-Ireland with these players.Tipp have their poor performance behind them(Munster Final).Don't of course write off Cody and Kilkenny but Tipp to win on August 18 ." How many finals were galway in when they didn't have a provincial championship to qualify through first so only had to win 1 game to make a final. That completely alters that statistic KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 05/08/2019 15:27:45 2221174 Link
Replying To KillingFields: "How many finals were galway in when they didn't have a provincial championship to qualify through first so only had to win 1 game to make a final. That completely alters that statistic" You must know well that Galway only joined the Leinster championship in 2009.It doesn't alter anything.Galway have played in 25 Senior All-Ireland hurling finals and lost 20 of them.My main point here for the purposes of this thread is that the record book shows that Tipperary turn up in All-Ireland hurling Finals and have won 68% of the Finals they've played.Most posters here seem to think that Tipp are the better team but that Kilkenny might outperform them on the day.My point is that history suggests that won't happen and that if Tipp are the better team,they'll win the Final on August 18.Tradition and history can never be overlooked in gaa.Tipp were historically Kilkenny's bogey team.No surprise then that it was Tipp that ended Kilkenny's 5 in a row bid in 2010.Cody's record speaks for itself and he's a brilliant motivator and manager but I think Tipp will be very hard to beat in this Final.We'll see on August 18 I suppose. endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2164 - 05/08/2019 16:22:00 2221199 Link
This could be Cody's sweetest one yet. Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1909 - 05/08/2019 21:02:42 2221332 Link
Head Tipp, heart Kilkenny, naturally. If KK can keep the game tight, who knows. Tipp a little ahead in terms of hurling and experience. Sheedy v Cody a great sub plot as they never met since 2010. Defaulter1831 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 40 - 05/08/2019 21:44:23 2221343 Link
Replying To endgame: "Tipp rarely underperform in All Ireland Finals.I think their win rate in Finals is 68% compared for example to Galway who often underperform in hurling finals with a win rate of only 20%.Sheedy came back to win an All-Ireland with these players.Tipp have their poor performance behind them(Munster Final).Don't of course write off Cody and Kilkenny but Tipp to win on August 18 ." Correct, I've rarely seen Tipp play badly in an All Ireland final, even some of the ones they've lost. 2011 was one, they were very warm favourites against a Kilkenny team who were meant to be on their last legs having lost the final the year before. Kilkenny steamrolled Tipp in the first 15 minutes of that match and went 5 points up, similar to the Limerick semi final this year. Very few people were expecting it, least of all Tipp who, no matter how well prepared they thought they were, may have been over complacent. Tipp were never able to get to the pitch of the game after that. I don't think the same thing will happen this time, any element of surprise Kilkenny may have had has surely gone with the Cork and Limerick performances. The 2016 final was a disaster for Kilkenny, we allowed O'Dwyer and Callinan so much space it was criminal. I was harsh on Joey Holden after that final but in hindsight he was hung on to dry by his half back line who allowed themselves be dragged was out the field. Callinan had 40-50 yards of space in front of him which is a nightmare scenario for any fullback, especially marking the best full forward in the game. I want to see the Kilkenny backs completely suffocate any space for the Tipp forwards and if they're still good enough to put up a big score, fair enough. But for God's sake don't make it easy for them. Haven't much info on Fennelly's injury but would be a huge loss. He's been like a Martin Comerford figure this year. A "hard, wiry piece of machinery" as Comerford was once described as, could just as easily be applied to Fennelly. I'm not too hopeful of Kilkenny's impact off the bench. Cody brought on Bill Sheehan, Billy Ryan and Liam Blanchfield against Limerick and they had minimal impact as a scoring threat, only offering fresh legs. "Fresh legs" won't be enough to beat Tipp if Cody needs subs to win the game in the last 10 minutes. ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 05/08/2019 22:41:15 2221363 Link
Replying To ballydalane: "Correct, I've rarely seen Tipp play badly in an All Ireland final, even some of the ones they've lost. 2011 was one, they were very warm favourites against a Kilkenny team who were meant to be on their last legs having lost the final the year before. Kilkenny steamrolled Tipp in the first 15 minutes of that match and went 5 points up, similar to the Limerick semi final this year. Very few people were expecting it, least of all Tipp who, no matter how well prepared they thought they were, may have been over complacent. Tipp were never able to get to the pitch of the game after that. I don't think the same thing will happen this time, any element of surprise Kilkenny may have had has surely gone with the Cork and Limerick performances. The 2016 final was a disaster for Kilkenny, we allowed O'Dwyer and Callinan so much space it was criminal. I was harsh on Joey Holden after that final but in hindsight he was hung on to dry by his half back line who allowed themselves be dragged was out the field. Callinan had 40-50 yards of space in front of him which is a nightmare scenario for any fullback, especially marking the best full forward in the game. I want to see the Kilkenny backs completely suffocate any space for the Tipp forwards and if they're still good enough to put up a big score, fair enough. But for God's sake don't make it easy for them. Haven't much info on Fennelly's injury but would be a huge loss. He's been like a Martin Comerford figure this year. A "hard, wiry piece of machinery" as Comerford was once described as, could just as easily be applied to Fennelly. I'm not too hopeful of Kilkenny's impact off the bench. Cody brought on Bill Sheehan, Billy Ryan and Liam Blanchfield against Limerick and they had minimal impact as a scoring threat, only offering fresh legs. "Fresh legs" won't be enough to beat Tipp if Cody needs subs to win the game in the last 10 minutes." Having said that Cody is some ruthless operator. After a little over a quarter of an hour into the last game KK looked were totally on top, nine points up and another 18 to 20 minutes with the wind to come. Only one LK man, O'Donoghue, was taking the game to the cats. Ritchie Leahy his man was whipped off. Now twelve months ago Dan Morrissey got SGMOM, but Ritchie scored four lovely points off him,when he came on as a sub and nearly beat us on his own, but that seemed not to matter on Saturday. If only our management were as coldly but brilliantly efficient. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 05/08/2019 23:29:30 2221390 Link