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So if he had no intent on hitting Damo why was he swinging the hurl in that direction? Just testing the grip on it? I got hit right on the bone of the elbow in a match recently, it was a tiny and accidental belt but the pain was unreal. Since you are accusing him of simulation, what about Huw Lawlor a lot of time he comes out with a ball "accidentally" losing his footing when the opponent closes him down? Seems to have a very bad set of studs in those boots.... StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 30/07/2019 09:46:20 2218600 Link 1 |
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Not so, if it was red he would miss final. Same effect on the day but not overall for the player. catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 30/07/2019 10:30:47 2218621 Link 0 |
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"It was as clear as day that John McGrath, while lying on the ground, struck Reck with his hurley." This is simply incorrect and how you can watch replays of that incident and still have that conclusion baffles me and honestly would lead me to question your analysis of any hurling incident. Since I posted this yesterday, I listened to GAA hour podcast and there they also pointed out that there was no contact with Reck. The rest of your post I have no problem with, but I would state that Reck's reaction to the swipe significantly contributed to the poor optics of the offence and if as a result McGrath had got a straight red, this would be a much bigger talking point. As it stands McGrath can have no complaints, as I have stated already. Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 30/07/2019 10:43:06 2218633 Link 0 |
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Hats off to Tipp. That was some character they showed. Questions asked and answered definitely. I'd say that might be one of the most pleasing aspects of the victory. Twas a great game. Wexford i thought they were gonna do it but let it slip. Fantastic wknd of hurling. Best of luck in the final. Buachaillbui (Clare) - Posts: 118 - 30/07/2019 10:48:16 2218637 Link 1 |
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Nowhere have I defended McGrath's swipe, I keep having to reiterate this, so it is pointless to debate McGrath's actions with me. It's what happened after that I would have problem with. To be honest I have no idea about the Huw Lawlor actions you are referring to, I can't remember him ever getting many frees, just giving away quite a few. But there are a few players in the Kilkenny team who buy a free now and then, but i think buying a free is a bit different to what is being addressed here
Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 30/07/2019 10:49:39 2218639 Link 0 |
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Quoting Shakespeare :-) Nice one. Bringing the HS banter to a new level.
Spudsareboilin (Galway) - Posts: 46 - 30/07/2019 10:50:17 2218640 Link 0 |
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kk have been the masters at simulating being fouled for decades
perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 30/07/2019 11:08:45 2218653 Link 0 |
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Excellent brings this whole incident to a close, zero dispute.
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 30/07/2019 11:20:50 2218665 Link 0 |
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Well I play at a decent club level. Have you ever watched a replay of something that looked innocuous but wasn't? Sometimes the angle of the replay can make something look like there was nothing in it. There is not 1 person who I know who thinks this was anything but a red card. StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 30/07/2019 18:11:06 2218835 Link 0 |
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Listen, McGrath's hurl knocked Reck's from his hand, that's it, no contact was made with Reck. As I stated earlier multiple angles gave the impression that Reck was struck but the realty shown by one angle was that he wasn't struck. Again, i'm not debating card colours here, i was focusing on that contact with Reck. If after viewing the replay you still assert differently, well there is little point in discussing this further, you'll just remain in apparent denial. Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 30/07/2019 20:23:48 2218868 Link 0 |
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There was another incident in the game where Declan Fanning played the ball twice during a puck out. Also Jason Forde needs to be stopped placing the ball, picking to up on to his stick and putting it back down. This might seem trivial but sooner or later controversy will happen because the ref has blown the whistle for the free to be taken. Just because similar things are done in soccer is not needed in our game.Tell him now.If he needs to reset the ball he should be required to ask the ref. This is understanding if the ball is in a hole or winter time but why would he put it in a hole to begin. It is just a habit he has but we don't know if the whistle has been blown to hit the ball or not. T.J. Reid, Joe Canning and others don't need to do it. Mark my words he will be pulled some day and hopefully it is not the last puck of the game to level the score. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 30/07/2019 20:37:46 2218873 Link 0 |
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Striking or attempting to strike and opponent is a red card infraction.
daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 30/07/2019 21:04:27 2218879 Link 0 |
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Why did you quote me there?
Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 30/07/2019 21:23:46 2218893 Link 0 |
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You are stating thag there was no contact with Reck. Doesnt matter. The intent was there.
daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 30/07/2019 21:29:25 2218896 Link 0 |
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I assume that when stating 'Doesn't matter' you are implying that it doesn't matter when deciding the punishment that should follow the pull, which is the case by the letter of the rules. However, If you read my previous posts you'd see that I am not debating the punishment McGrath did or might have received (I have my opinions about that but I haven't given them) I am not going to restate yet again what I was pointing about the incident, but I would say that it matters to a lot of people whether or not there was contact made Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 30/07/2019 21:46:01 2218909 Link 0 |
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What a load of tripe. He swung his hurley to hit and all you have to do is look at his own reaction. He certainly looked like a guy who hit or meant to hit. Move on it was straight red card and he got away with one.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 30/07/2019 22:03:24 2218920 Link 0 |
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There was contact made, I would gladly sit with you in person away from the keyboard and discuss in front of a screen. This is the exact problem with the GAA as opposed to Rugby, it allows these grey areas to exist and as a result allows people like yourself to hijack it from a keyboard and create something that is not! or that is!
bottletopbill (Wexford) - Posts: 71 - 30/07/2019 22:21:57 2218928 Link 0 |
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Ah I see now why you were complaining about me in the other thread, it is what I have written here that you have issue with. I'm not sure what you mean about grey areas etc., either Reck was hit or he wasn't. There is perhaps a grey area in assessing which rule should be applied and subsequent punishment should be chosen, but not in assessing if a player has been hit or not when there are replays to illustrate this. However, If the clip of the incident becomes available online and you can highlight to me where the contact with Reck was made, i will hold my hands up and acknowledge that I was wrong. Until then, I won't comment further on this.
Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 30/07/2019 23:11:32 2218946 Link 0 |
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There is only one thing. Look at the expression on John McGraths face after the'strike'- note the commas. He looked purely to be saying 'I am in trouble here but I did not mean it', and I accept 100% he meant no injury to Reck,-- but in all the circumstances it was a very foolish thing to do since he was on a yellow card. I have seen two generations of McGraths playing with Tipp and I don't think I have ever seen one of them pull a really dirty stroke, but John left Cleere little option here.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 31/07/2019 23:58:53 2219295 Link 0 |
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In the League match in Limerick. I was there.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 01/08/2019 11:34:18 2219375 Link 0 |