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Technically the ref was right. Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 09/07/2019 20:15:07 2208627 Link 0 |
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Whether you agree with the cards or not it's a bit much for any one player to be getting 3 in a row in this way. Seriously what are the odds on that and as the article on hogan stand seems to suggest it seems too much of a coincidence not to be the result of deliberation by the referees involved. The Cavan one was a joke. Tyrone were coasting to a win in a game where we had a clear point disallowed and where a Cavan player,Mc Veety,was allowed stay on after a clear strike to the face of Conor Meyer. Lucky boy not to get a red. So Tyrone and Mickey and Peter Harte are right to be aggrieved at what has happened here. It's not fair on the player especially. He's not guilty of deliberate cynical play,clumsy tackling at worst.
seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 09/07/2019 20:20:09 2208630 Link 0 |
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Please don't twist what am trying to say . In my opinion none were black and if they would have had been TV ref black cards wouldn't have been giving Refs have split second but need help on these type of decisions . The body colide up along line on the Tyrone player by Cavan player was clear cut black but not given. The inconsistency is the problem Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 09/07/2019 20:24:49 2208633 Link 0 |
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I think the two against Donegal and Cavan were definitely blacks...i honestly didn't see the longford one...you cant use your feet to trip a player that is travelling at speed...its quite dangerous and he should have learnt from his first...its amazing what Harte sees and doesn't...he didn't see the Tiaran McCann incident as clearly. marty234 (Donegal) - Posts: 158 - 09/07/2019 20:25:49 2208635 Link 1 |
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No you have to wait till you get all 3 before appealing . Yeah strange rule
Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 09/07/2019 20:26:03 2208636 Link 0 |
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Not any confusion on my part about what you saying. Your saying every one of 3 cards was incorrect. Now if it was one of them that's fair enough. If it was two that would be stretching it but thee is plain tinfoil hat stuff.
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 09/07/2019 20:59:09 2208659 Link 0 |
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V difficult to see that incident without a camera close-up replay. i had wrongly assumed you had to be preventing a direct scoring opportunity; and that if the foul happened when there was no score on, then it was just a free or maybe a yellow - but it's much vaguer (if these are still the current rules, maybe they're not): Cynical Behaviour Fouls 1. Deliberately pull down an opponent. 2. Deliberately trip an opponent with the hand(s), arm, leg or foot. 3. Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of a movement of play. 4. Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate. 5. Remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a Match Official. No 3 happens all the time; generally ignored. essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 09/07/2019 21:02:56 2208663 Link 0 |
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Sorry lad you are wrong .black card proposal was before special Congress before the games you refer to...black cards were a direct response to incidents involving kerry Dublin Cavan Armagh Galway and cork which were used in video in the submission to Congress.
mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 09/07/2019 21:20:38 2208680 Link 1 |
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Obviously you only see what you want to see as well...the Longford and Cavan players were not running at speed...none of them were black card offences...and yes I would be concerned about an agenda..it's been there for some time
mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 09/07/2019 21:23:33 2208683 Link 0 |
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The Tyrone apologists are out in force on this thread valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1890 - 09/07/2019 21:25:02 2208684 Link 1 |
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Fair dues for putting up the black card offences, pity more people wouldn't take the time to learn them. Don't think this is anti Tyrone but a lot of the better teams ,lets say "play on the edge" as in slow play, screen runs etc and the more you do it the higher chance of getting caught. The Donegal card was the only one i saw and it was a deliberate trip, there's no circumstance where you lead with the foot, might have looked innocent but thats the skill. BTW pity Kildare wouldn't smarten up in this regard lillyboy (Kildare) - Posts: 429 - 09/07/2019 21:30:38 2208690 Link 0 |
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Yep correct. I'm a referee and I've had a major problem with point three in the list which I've never got a satisfactory answer to despite asking the relevant people at refresher courses. I won't get into it here but it's very confusing when you start to analyse it. I agree with the sentiment of the black card but it's time to introduce the sin bin for all yellow card offences and get rid of the black by just including them in the yellow card offences. Interestingly, if an attacker is running down on goal and is shoved in the back by a defender it's NOT a black card. In fact it's not even a yellow. Referees tend to give yellows because they feel they need to do something but according to The Referee's Handbook it's a "noting" offence only. Ditto for a defender grabbing on to the attacker but making sure he doesn't fall to the ground. Go figure! Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 09/07/2019 21:43:48 2208698 Link 1 |
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Where does it say in the BC rules that the players have to be "running at speed"?
Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 09/07/2019 21:50:45 2208704 Link 1 |
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According to the rules on blacks all 3 didn't fit that category Good job your not a ref they be nobody left on pitch Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 09/07/2019 22:18:16 2208729 Link 0 |
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And if you're a ref were in big trouble.
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 09/07/2019 22:30:54 2208737 Link 1 |
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We will see what the appeal body think as I am certain all 3 don't fit the crime
Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 09/07/2019 22:43:58 2208747 Link 0 |
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Dell, what defines the difference between a red and black card offence? From the list above 1,2 and 3 may have been red card offences before the black card's introduction? For me a foul is cynical unless it's accidental and if it's accidental it's not a foul. That's my simplistic thoughts on refereeing !
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 09/07/2019 23:11:23 2208766 Link 4 |
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To be honest 1 and 3 where yellow at most for me and 2 was not even a card . That is my view and it will be interesting what the appeals committee rule
Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 09/07/2019 23:21:28 2208772 Link 0 |
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all three should be recinded as none were deliberate or cynical. there were at least 2 other blatant black card offences in the Tyrone v Cavan match which the ref ignored. Conclusion: The black card is not working as the referees are not able or willing to enforce it correctly. The same way they are not able to enforce most of the rules of Gaelic football consistently or correctly. It is a blight on the game and it is what is ruining football s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 09/07/2019 23:30:48 2208779 Link 1 |
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100% I agree with you it was brought in for cynical football and none of these where that
Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 09/07/2019 23:36:09 2208782 Link 0 |