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I rarely engage in this kind of thing but the truth in this debate lies somewhere in the middle of staunch Dublin supporters views and anti Dub ranting.
But I really can't let this slide. Stop talking about population and break down the numbers using the amount of funding given per player in each county. Dublin receive far more, 3 times the amount in some cases I have seen. Regardless of the talent Dublin have produced, and how great they are to watch, this isn't about this. Go do some research on the money per player and come back to me.
Then throw in the massive sponsorship deals( which they have every right to welcome with open arms) then you can see why weaker counties are so annoyed when this topic comes up.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7896 - 13/06/2019 19:35:52
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brisbane (Galway) - Posts: 674 - 13/06/2019 20:20:12
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Replying To Joxer: "Yes. I think no doubt the financial injections have helped to some degree but certainly not converting directly to success. That's down to organisation and hard work largely. Home advantage maybe against weaker teams but at business end how many times has Lee Keegan, Michael Murphy, Peter Harte, any number of Kerry players played there? It's no away ground for them, in fact it probably spurs them on more than meeting Dublin in Portlaoise. Population? Meh. All relative when you compare across counties. Always been like that and always will be in "geographical sport". Ireland v Gibraltar, Brazil v Croatia in soccer." First off, fair play on giving an honest answer. I do agree that the money needs to be used wisely and Dublin have orgainsed a great system and use of the cash but I suppose other counties would like to have a similar chance.
I disagree on the use of croke park. I do feel this does give Dublin an unfair advantage. And as I said earlier an advantage they don't need. The example of players you gave from other counties are already made stars of the game and they could be asked to played anywhere and would perform just like most of the Dublin team would. It's players who are potential stars in the making playing in their first or second season is where the disadvantage for players from other counties starts. Using my own County as an example, Donegal played Dublin in the super 8's. Shaun Patton playing his first season in goals was making his first appearance in Croke Park that day. He had been immpecable with his kickouts all season until that game and he didn't have the best day but I'm sure that experience will stand to him if Donegal make croke park this season. He wasn't the only player making his first appearance for Donegal in Croke Park and a few of them like Patton let their nerves get the better of them. Contrast that with man of the match on the day Brian Howard for Dublin. Croke park wasn't as a big a factor for Howard as he had already had at least half of dozen games under his belt in Croker. It takes players from other counties longer to get comfortable playing in HQ compared to Dublin players and that for me can be worth a few extra scores to them. It's not Dublin's fault and they would play were asked but it's definitely an unintentional advantage created by the Gaa.
Mobot (Donegal) - Posts: 459 - 13/06/2019 21:22:20
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Dublin's success is down to Numbers and coaching which needs funding which they get - same funding as a province and far more sponsorship than anyone else. They then get home draws all the time, get the cheap tickets, and have the same dressing room in every match.
As an amateur sport, the GAA should be trying to have an even playing field and give everyone the opportunity to play the game. They shouldn't be funding an unequal system.
Dublin has the biggest population, yet lowest playing numbers per head of population
They don't even have to do fund raisers because they get so much funding from The GAA and sponsorship that the don't even ask for handouts
They really need to be split in 3 to promote increased participation in Gaelic Games across the city. GAA is supposed to encourage participation not eletism.
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Replying To Mobot: "First off, fair play on giving an honest answer. I do agree that the money needs to be used wisely and Dublin have orgainsed a great system and use of the cash but I suppose other counties would like to have a similar chance.
I disagree on the use of croke park. I do feel this does give Dublin an unfair advantage. And as I said earlier an advantage they don't need. The example of players you gave from other counties are already made stars of the game and they could be asked to played anywhere and would perform just like most of the Dublin team would. It's players who are potential stars in the making playing in their first or second season is where the disadvantage for players from other counties starts. Using my own County as an example, Donegal played Dublin in the super 8's. Shaun Patton playing his first season in goals was making his first appearance in Croke Park that day. He had been immpecable with his kickouts all season until that game and he didn't have the best day but I'm sure that experience will stand to him if Donegal make croke park this season. He wasn't the only player making his first appearance for Donegal in Croke Park and a few of them like Patton let their nerves get the better of them. Contrast that with man of the match on the day Brian Howard for Dublin. Croke park wasn't as a big a factor for Howard as he had already had at least half of dozen games under his belt in Croker. It takes players from other counties longer to get comfortable playing in HQ compared to Dublin players and that for me can be worth a few extra scores to them. It's not Dublin's fault and they would play were asked but it's definitely an unintentional advantage created by the Gaa." Ok well on Croke Park. Dublin play where they are told to play. They have no say in it and will play anywhere, as Tyrone will tell you. I think the advantage here is overstated to be honest. Meath players of old, Mayo players, Mickey Harte himself all on record stating that they preferred playing Dublin in Croker. Meath used to love the chance to stick it to the Dubs and the Hill. In recent AI finals with Mayo Croker was a second home for them and they had played there many times, fans outnumbering Dubs or close on final day, going toe to toe and probably should have won two of those finals. Ask them about this Croker advantage. I think it could daunt young fellas and Dublin young fellas too. Honest answer, what Dublin games would you move out of Croker apart from the "neutral" super 8 game? Bear in mind the venue needs to accommodate the fans and you must keep whinging counties happy you want to play in Croke Park but don't want Dublin to play there.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 13/06/2019 22:51:37
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "Dublin's success is down to Numbers and coaching which needs funding which they get - same funding as a province and far more sponsorship than anyone else. They then get home draws all the time, get the cheap tickets, and have the same dressing room in every match.
As an amateur sport, the GAA should be trying to have an even playing field and give everyone the opportunity to play the game. They shouldn't be funding an unequal system.
Dublin has the biggest population, yet lowest playing numbers per head of population
They don't even have to do fund raisers because they get so much funding from The GAA and sponsorship that the don't even ask for handouts
They really need to be split in 3 to promote increased participation in Gaelic Games across the city. GAA is supposed to encourage participation not eletism." If you take Dublin's games development funding and divide it by the population of Dublin how much would it be per head? Do the same for other counties and see where they rank. As Tyrone found to their cost last year, this Dublin team will go anywhere for the win. The "home" Croke Park venue has nothing to do with Dublin. I didn't hear any whinging when Dublin games were pulling 80,000 crowds at "home" for 6 championship games a year with the proceeds divided out to other counties. Where were the whingers then? Nowhere because the Dubs weren't on a streak then. Now that they are winning Croker is suddenly a cause for their success. Never was in previous decades but now it is. The Dubs will play anywhere.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 13/06/2019 23:01:38
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The AFL have 18 teams are based across five states of Australia 9 of which are located in the Melbourne metropolitan area.
Look at soccer in england as of the 2018-19 season, there are 11 teams playing in professional leagues in London, 6 play in the Premier League and 5 in the Football League.
In the GAA there is 1 team in dublin
brisbane (Galway) - Posts: 674 - 13/06/2019 23:20:13
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Replying To TheFlaker: "I rarely engage in this kind of thing but the truth in this debate lies somewhere in the middle of staunch Dublin supporters views and anti Dub ranting.
But I really can't let this slide. Stop talking about population and break down the numbers using the amount of funding given per player in each county. Dublin receive far more, 3 times the amount in some cases I have seen. Regardless of the talent Dublin have produced, and how great they are to watch, this isn't about this. Go do some research on the money per player and come back to me.
Then throw in the massive sponsorship deals( which they have every right to welcome with open arms) then you can see why weaker counties are so annoyed when this topic comes up." Jesus you'd despair.
There have been threads on here saying both the population model and registered player model are flawed. Largely based on the nature of the funding, it's to attract players to become registered players not to fund already registered players. On that basis alone you are coming from a poor knowledge base, if Mayo are funding registered players through their GDF, they're in trouble. Your making out your clever by reading a Ewen McKenna article when your not, he is also using research conducted by a Student in Tallaght IT from 3 years ago. You have no right based on the quality of what you've written to be telling people what they should do.
But presuming registered player was an actual thing, if you have a population of 1.4 mill and you have 39k registered players, is that not an obvious place to put GDF to attract people do Galiec games. It's why Ewen we'll really Shane Mangans is flawed.
I have often posted the population to funding ratios. They show Dublin per head receive less then a lot of county's. I'd acknowledge the flaw in that too, as there is likely nuance in the decision on funding, as the figures aren't congruent.
Essentially no body knows the formula, I would suggest it a hybrid and hopefully based on a young population demographic as opposed to overall. But the GAA don't make it public, so nobody knows, so need to talk down to other posters.
I take issue with sponsorship as well especially from a Mayo man, sponsorship and fundraising come under commercial revenue under the system. Mayo earn slightly less then Dublin on this score and I presume that funds the senior teams like Dublin.
Mayo have a huge fundraising arm, they are holding sell out dinners in New York for thousands a plate, it's worth over a million a year, Mayo have a massive advantage on almost every county with a huge culture of internal and external migration in its dispara. It's worth millions for them. It's not some oul lad outside the church with a tin, it's strategic and commercially driven. I don't begrudge it. But is an advantage and enables Mayo to be arguably better then most counties. Mayo are cashing in on their profile the same way Dublin are. They can earn about the same as Dublin do commercial revenue and in fact spend more on their senior team as Dublin, driven by commercial revenue. It's an advantage other counties don't have.
You have very little ground to be moral about.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 13/06/2019 23:35:12
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Some of the posts on here are funny. To anyone looking in it is obvious that the current success of Dublin GAA is hugely influenced by the decision a number of years ago by GAA headquarters to increase funding to Dublin. Saying this great group Dublin players would have come through anyway partly misses the point, would these same players have played without the extra funding?, their clubs and then the county would not have prepared them as well without this extra funding, they are better players than they would have been for this and and the Dublin club teams/ inter county team are much stronger for this. But being honest in terms of bigger picture the numbers playing the game have grown hugely (as has the interest in GAA in Dublin) so the decision made years ago to treat Dublin as a special case by giving them extra funding maybe was worth it. I don't think we are there yet as it still is not completely clear that the last few years is the new norm but in a few years a bye product of what has been achieved with growing the game in Dublin might ultimately mean that instead of a Dublin team we end up having Fingal/ Dun Laoghaire Rathdown teams etc.
bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1349 - 13/06/2019 23:37:38
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Replying To KY4SAM2015: "You will be waiting a while for a straight answer to your question. Dublin posters on here continuing to deflect away from the simple question you have posted. Its as clear to anyone that even though they have a very good group of players, they have been massively supported from the GAA in contrast to the rest of the country. Whether they have won 1 in a row or 10 in a row it does not make any difference." Some of them will write paragraphs of more or less nothing to try and make themselfs look intelligent, yet wont answer a very simple quetion when it's put to them
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 14/06/2019 08:38:26
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Replying To TheUsername: "Jesus you'd despair.
There have been threads on here saying both the population model and registered player model are flawed. Largely based on the nature of the funding, it's to attract players to become registered players not to fund already registered players. On that basis alone you are coming from a poor knowledge base, if Mayo are funding registered players through their GDF, they're in trouble. Your making out your clever by reading a Ewen McKenna article when your not, he is also using research conducted by a Student in Tallaght IT from 3 years ago. You have no right based on the quality of what you've written to be telling people what they should do.
But presuming registered player was an actual thing, if you have a population of 1.4 mill and you have 39k registered players, is that not an obvious place to put GDF to attract people do Galiec games. It's why Ewen we'll really Shane Mangans is flawed.
I have often posted the population to funding ratios. They show Dublin per head receive less then a lot of county's. I'd acknowledge the flaw in that too, as there is likely nuance in the decision on funding, as the figures aren't congruent.
Essentially no body knows the formula, I would suggest it a hybrid and hopefully based on a young population demographic as opposed to overall. But the GAA don't make it public, so nobody knows, so need to talk down to other posters.
I take issue with sponsorship as well especially from a Mayo man, sponsorship and fundraising come under commercial revenue under the system. Mayo earn slightly less then Dublin on this score and I presume that funds the senior teams like Dublin.
Mayo have a huge fundraising arm, they are holding sell out dinners in New York for thousands a plate, it's worth over a million a year, Mayo have a massive advantage on almost every county with a huge culture of internal and external migration in its dispara. It's worth millions for them. It's not some oul lad outside the church with a tin, it's strategic and commercially driven. I don't begrudge it. But is an advantage and enables Mayo to be arguably better then most counties. Mayo are cashing in on their profile the same way Dublin are. They can earn about the same as Dublin do commercial revenue and in fact spend more on their senior team as Dublin, driven by commercial revenue. It's an advantage other counties don't have.
You have very little ground to be moral about." Ewan Mackenna, if you think I base everything on Ewan you are sadly mistaken. Cannot stand him.
As i said I stay clear of the these topics as there are extreme views from both sides. Now to claim Mayo have the same funding power is a little OTT. Mayo do very well from fundraising and the players have wanted for very little but I have already acknowledged Dublin are entitled to huge money sponsorship deals.
Ewan Mackenna, I really would despair if you think anyone questioning the funding is working off his articles. He is a clickbait troll these days.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7896 - 14/06/2019 10:11:05
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Replying To Joxer: "Ok well on Croke Park. Dublin play where they are told to play. They have no say in it and will play anywhere, as Tyrone will tell you. I think the advantage here is overstated to be honest. Meath players of old, Mayo players, Mickey Harte himself all on record stating that they preferred playing Dublin in Croker. Meath used to love the chance to stick it to the Dubs and the Hill. In recent AI finals with Mayo Croker was a second home for them and they had played there many times, fans outnumbering Dubs or close on final day, going toe to toe and probably should have won two of those finals. Ask them about this Croker advantage. I think it could daunt young fellas and Dublin young fellas too. Honest answer, what Dublin games would you move out of Croker apart from the "neutral" super 8 game? Bear in mind the venue needs to accommodate the fans and you must keep whinging counties happy you want to play in Croke Park but don't want Dublin to play there." I don't disagree with most of what you're saying there to be honest. Dublin play where they're told and I'm not having a go at Dublin at all. Rather than tell you what games I'd move Dublin out of Croke Park, I'll tell you what games they should play there. Dublin and any team in Leinster for that matter should only be allowed to play in Croke Park for League finals, Leinster finals, 1 game of the super 8's (while in place), an all ireland semi final and all ireland final.
The experience of going to Croke park for a big game should be something to look forward to. Truth is Dublin play so often there now that even their supporters see it as a normal home game. The GAA, Leinster Council and other Leinster teams are to blame for this. Teams gave up home advantage to play Dublin in Croke park in the Leinster championship in years gone by. Say Dublin played in Ulster, could you see any of the counties giving up home advantage? As for accommodating the fans, what would create a better atmosphere during a home league game, a packed out Parnell Park and buzz that goes with it trying to get your ticket or somewhere between 14-25k in Croke park when you can hear players calling for the ball? Same goes for the super 8's.
I think Croke Park has lost it's mystic anyways as things are. It's used too often. I don't even think that any team should be allowed to use it for the super 8's.
Mobot (Donegal) - Posts: 459 - 14/06/2019 10:46:42
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Replying To TheFlaker: "Ewan Mackenna, if you think I base everything on Ewan you are sadly mistaken. Cannot stand him.
As i said I stay clear of the these topics as there are extreme views from both sides. Now to claim Mayo have the same funding power is a little OTT. Mayo do very well from fundraising and the players have wanted for very little but I have already acknowledged Dublin are entitled to huge money sponsorship deals.
Ewan Mackenna, I really would despair if you think anyone questioning the funding is working off his articles. He is a clickbait troll these days." I would have very little respect for his quality of analysis or impartiality and would question a self serving agenda as a journalist, with Dublin just being an ironically a money making vehicle for him. But were he is useful as i think he bring up aspects of GAA finance that have never previously been discussed, however incompetently and i do think hes low brow. I've seen better analysis and arguments on here.
One core issue i think it raises is transparency, the GAA are very poor at explaining why GDF in particular is allocated the way it is therefore you get threads like this. I think it also raises the question, of how transparent counties need to be as well, everyone knows how much say Dublin get in sponsorship, but no one could tell you what Kerry or Kerry Group get as an example.
Equally looking at the broader model is fascinating there is a clear spectrum, of commercial funding made up of sponsorship, fundraising and other bitsof revenue contribuuting to counties, that counties can raise away from communal funding.
I would acknowledge Dublin are at the top of that and cash in massively on their profile and market, those funds go into the senior teams and i doubt it doesnt help our success and being at the cutting edge of everything really etc. Some may say that is advantage
But i suspect we are not in isolation could there be an argument that Mayo are "financially doped" from that particular aspect of funding and creates an advantage that has enabled them to compete at the top tier for the last decade while other counties have regressed. Has it been down to talent or their ability to fund raise. Dont get me wrong Mayo arent breaking any rules and i say fair play really. But they have outspent Dublin some years on their senior teams. I think if you are going to apply an argument to one you have to apply it fairly to all.
Its interesting that Mayo and Dublin have ascended and other counties have regressed this decade and that has coincided with a progression in raising commercial revenue. 10/15 years ago neither Dublin or Mayo would have been confident of beating say Kerry or Tyrone, these days we both do it regularly and a loss would be a disappointment. See below figures on commerical revenue:
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-reign-supreme-but-where-does-your-county-rank-on-the-2018-gaa-rich-list-36922874.html
Not that either are breaking the rules, both are cashing in on their profiles, but i suppose the bigger question is does it enable both counties to be better then other counties and any other county team. Is it nature or nurture or perhaps the best balance between both. Im working of the assumption that like Dublin, Mayo commercial revenue fund their senior team.
I suppose im just making the point, that away from the GDF and looking at commercial revenue there is likely a spectrum of have and have nots on a sliding scale. How much that contributes to senior success on the feild is debatable. But i would suspect its likely more then the likes of the GDF you see trotted out, that should be going to schools etc.
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I've stated it elsewhere and it's obvious to anyone wishing to look at this with a balanced view.
Every advantage there is in football is in Dublin's favour. Some by design, some by natural effects.
Dublin fans and officials cannot and will not acknowledge it as it is not in their interests.
The GAA hierarchy and management have, to date, been unwilling to acknowledge it because it was / is not in their best interests. At some stage, when it's gone too far they will try to counter balance it. When that day comes will be roughly 4 / 5 years after they suffer financial harm.
Parts of the media acknowledge it but at the same time see the financial benefit of keeping Dublin on their pedestal. Simply put, Dublin sells. There are a few in the media who see the damage that is being done but they have only a small platform.
The rest of us are simply expected to sit back and look at video montages of Dublin players in Croke Park. We're expected to reach deep into our pockets to fund our own intercounty teams meagre endeavours whilst Dublin use their strong brand to leverage huge multi national corporations to sponsor their driving needs, their flying needs, etc., etc.
We're expected to tow the line and proclaim just how wonderful the achievement of this group of players is all the while ignoring any imbalances there are in the system. Those who do not are bad losers or whingers or whatever else is thrown at us.
That's fine but football is dying and it's dying because of an unnatural imbalance that has been man made. Those who choose have their eyes open can see that. Those that don't have only their own interests at heart.
SallinsMan (Kildare) - Posts: 77 - 14/06/2019 10:57:47
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Replying To brisbane: "The AFL have 18 teams are based across five states of Australia 9 of which are located in the Melbourne metropolitan area.
Look at soccer in england as of the 2018-19 season, there are 11 teams playing in professional leagues in London, 6 play in the Premier League and 5 in the Football League.
In the GAA there is 1 team in dublin" Yes 1 in Cork, 1 in Limerick and 1 in Antrim. What's your point? There's only 1 Brazilian soccer team too and 1 in Denmark. They are not club competitions they are geographical.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 14/06/2019 11:02:09
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Replying To SallinsMan: "I've stated it elsewhere and it's obvious to anyone wishing to look at this with a balanced view.
Every advantage there is in football is in Dublin's favour. Some by design, some by natural effects.
Dublin fans and officials cannot and will not acknowledge it as it is not in their interests.
The GAA hierarchy and management have, to date, been unwilling to acknowledge it because it was / is not in their best interests. At some stage, when it's gone too far they will try to counter balance it. When that day comes will be roughly 4 / 5 years after they suffer financial harm.
Parts of the media acknowledge it but at the same time see the financial benefit of keeping Dublin on their pedestal. Simply put, Dublin sells. There are a few in the media who see the damage that is being done but they have only a small platform.
The rest of us are simply expected to sit back and look at video montages of Dublin players in Croke Park. We're expected to reach deep into our pockets to fund our own intercounty teams meagre endeavours whilst Dublin use their strong brand to leverage huge multi national corporations to sponsor their driving needs, their flying needs, etc., etc.
We're expected to tow the line and proclaim just how wonderful the achievement of this group of players is all the while ignoring any imbalances there are in the system. Those who do not are bad losers or whingers or whatever else is thrown at us.
That's fine but football is dying and it's dying because of an unnatural imbalance that has been man made. Those who choose have their eyes open can see that. Those that don't have only their own interests at heart." Well give us your solution and bake in your solution for Meath's advantages over Carlow, Cork over Clare, Mayo over Leitrim etc while you are at it please. This cannot be a discriminatory action against one recently successful county obviously. So let's hear it.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 14/06/2019 11:04:52
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Replying To Mobot: "I don't disagree with most of what you're saying there to be honest. Dublin play where they're told and I'm not having a go at Dublin at all. Rather than tell you what games I'd move Dublin out of Croke Park, I'll tell you what games they should play there. Dublin and any team in Leinster for that matter should only be allowed to play in Croke Park for League finals, Leinster finals, 1 game of the super 8's (while in place), an all ireland semi final and all ireland final.
The experience of going to Croke park for a big game should be something to look forward to. Truth is Dublin play so often there now that even their supporters see it as a normal home game. The GAA, Leinster Council and other Leinster teams are to blame for this. Teams gave up home advantage to play Dublin in Croke park in the Leinster championship in years gone by. Say Dublin played in Ulster, could you see any of the counties giving up home advantage? As for accommodating the fans, what would create a better atmosphere during a home league game, a packed out Parnell Park and buzz that goes with it trying to get your ticket or somewhere between 14-25k in Croke park when you can hear players calling for the ball? Same goes for the super 8's.
I think Croke Park has lost it's mystic anyways as things are. It's used too often. I don't even think that any team should be allowed to use it for the super 8's." Leinster counties did not just "give up home advantage" that's just a stupid myth, Leinster council (dublin gaa) gave them no option ultimatums.
cuttothebone (Kildare) - Posts: 163 - 14/06/2019 11:08:27
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Look at soccer in england as of the 2018-19 season, there are 11 teams playing in professional leagues in London, 6 play in the Premier League and 5 in the Football League.
In the GAA there is 1 team in dublin" They're an inter county team, not a club. AFL and Premier League have club teams, not regional teams.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 14/06/2019 11:20:56
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Replying To TheUsername: "I would have very little respect for his quality of analysis or impartiality and would question a self serving agenda as a journalist, with Dublin just being an ironically a money making vehicle for him. But were he is useful as i think he bring up aspects of GAA finance that have never previously been discussed, however incompetently and i do think hes low brow. I've seen better analysis and arguments on here.
One core issue i think it raises is transparency, the GAA are very poor at explaining why GDF in particular is allocated the way it is therefore you get threads like this. I think it also raises the question, of how transparent counties need to be as well, everyone knows how much say Dublin get in sponsorship, but no one could tell you what Kerry or Kerry Group get as an example.
Equally looking at the broader model is fascinating there is a clear spectrum, of commercial funding made up of sponsorship, fundraising and other bitsof revenue contribuuting to counties, that counties can raise away from communal funding.
I would acknowledge Dublin are at the top of that and cash in massively on their profile and market, those funds go into the senior teams and i doubt it doesnt help our success and being at the cutting edge of everything really etc. Some may say that is advantage
But i suspect we are not in isolation could there be an argument that Mayo are "financially doped" from that particular aspect of funding and creates an advantage that has enabled them to compete at the top tier for the last decade while other counties have regressed. Has it been down to talent or their ability to fund raise. Dont get me wrong Mayo arent breaking any rules and i say fair play really. But they have outspent Dublin some years on their senior teams. I think if you are going to apply an argument to one you have to apply it fairly to all.
Its interesting that Mayo and Dublin have ascended and other counties have regressed this decade and that has coincided with a progression in raising commercial revenue. 10/15 years ago neither Dublin or Mayo would have been confident of beating say Kerry or Tyrone, these days we both do it regularly and a loss would be a disappointment. See below figures on commerical revenue:
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-reign-supreme-but-where-does-your-county-rank-on-the-2018-gaa-rich-list-36922874.html
Not that either are breaking the rules, both are cashing in on their profiles, but i suppose the bigger question is does it enable both counties to be better then other counties and any other county team. Is it nature or nurture or perhaps the best balance between both. Im working of the assumption that like Dublin, Mayo commercial revenue fund their senior team.
I suppose im just making the point, that away from the GDF and looking at commercial revenue there is likely a spectrum of have and have nots on a sliding scale. How much that contributes to senior success on the feild is debatable. But i would suspect its likely more then the likes of the GDF you see trotted out, that should be going to schools etc." We're not gifted the bulk of our money from the GAA.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 14/06/2019 11:33:26
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Replying To Joxer: "Well give us your solution and bake in your solution for Meath's advantages over Carlow, Cork over Clare, Mayo over Leitrim etc while you are at it please. This cannot be a discriminatory action against one recently successful county obviously. So let's hear it." The only advantages that any of the counties you list above are natural advantages. Population, geographic location and tradition. They cannot be helped. Unless we go down the road of splitting Dublin (which I disagree with) and amalgamating smaller counties, this can never be addressed.
Meath do however have to travel to Carlow and vice verse. Same with Cork and Clare. They play each other home and away ever time they play. Mayo and Leitrim the same. None of them play the vast majority of their games at home either.
None of the counties you mention suffer from the a funding gap the scale of which Dublin enjoy over the rest of the country.
And that, unfortunately is the key. The financial doping that Dublin received directly from the GAA was completely out of wack with the rest of the country.
There is a very strong argument to say that for a level playing field to exist between Carlow and Meath or Leitrim and Mayo, the GAA should actually be financially doping the smaller counties. The weaker counties. The counties with little or no tradition. They are the counties that need state of the art facilities and lots of professional coaches. They are the counties that need a financial support to overcome their brand deficiencies.
As I said, Dublin enjoy every advantage there is to be got in football.
SallinsMan (Kildare) - Posts: 77 - 14/06/2019 12:25:07
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