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Replying To royaldunne:  "Ben Brennan would have a field day with anyone."
Is that the bishop oh sorry that was Len :D

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 7387 - 15/06/2019 21:54:13    2195510

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Replying To realdub:  "Is that the bishop oh sorry that was Len :D"
Now down with that sort of thing :)

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 15256 - 15/06/2019 22:03:44    2195518

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "The Dubs keep trying to call their hurlers minnows but the GAA investment has brought them from total obscurity where even meath could run them close to knocking galway out of the championship.

There is no question now the money helps. None whatsoever. Dublin taking from football contenders to domination and the hurlers taken from irrelevant to contenders. The hurling investment is fantastic I just hope they give it elsewhere now because why would you want the Dublin hurlers to dominate too."
Leinster football final thread here, go create yet another thread about us to talk about how we will win 10 Liam's in a row after a very rare championship win over Galway.

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2081 - 16/06/2019 01:02:33    2195590

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On the team itself?? Andy has thrown some curveballs throughout the year, and tbh I think he will do the same in this game.
1 , colgan. Really excellent shot stopper, kick outs can sometimes be risky.
2, lavin, great man marker and can roam upfield for the odd point or assist
3 McGill, one of the best full backs in country.
4 , Gallagher, here is where it gets interesting where we could see a change with Ryan, but for me Gallagher gets the nod
5. James McEntee, just think he is more potent from the halfback line than half forwards, one of the players of the league, a few injuries have kept him from best during championship so far, but 100% now
6, harnan, pure guesswork on this one as he is 50/50 to make game and more than likely will be used as sub, however if he was 100 I'd start him here.
7, keoghan, what can be said about one of the best players in country that hasn't already been said?? Should harnan not start he will be at 6, but here is runs and scores could be vital.
8. Menton. No debate, is really filling into his midfield role. And will always get a score or two,
9. Shane McEntee, offers more than Flanagan and seems to have fully recovered.
10 Cillian O'Sullivan, his runs and getting points from impossible angles are legendary, can sometimes run into trouble, but certainly a starter
11, Mcmahon, has transformed himself into a half forward, one of the hardest workers on the team, he loves Croke Park always has a eye for goal.
12. Brennan, for many a year the best player in Meath Not on senior team, mostly due to temperament, Andy has controlled that aggression, any free from right he will take, he will take no nonsense and will hit you hard, of course he will pick up his usual yellow card
13, Conlon, the pocket rocket, at 5,7 and 20 years old he is a star for the future, but also the present, his runs are magnificent, he is so tiny he can turn defenders inside out and will get points. First championship start last game, and was motm, I've been raving about him for past couple of years on Meath forum, he is a special talent and one that will light up Croke Park for years to come
14, Newman, our tallies man, the silver fox. He will score for fun, for me micky has to be at his best if we are to win .
15 tbh I haven't a clue who will play here , Thomas O'Reilly? Barry dardis? Could Andy throw a surprise maybe darragh campion or even biggy himself to act as a link man for his club mate?? I'll pop for O'Reilly

Subs , well if he doesn't start, the only non dub with a Leinster medal will be first one used, Graham Reilly mightn't have the legs for 75 mins all out running but by Jesus he has for 35. At 30 years of age the roar that will greet him onto Croke Park will outdo anything dubs will have.
Devine, dardis, Tobin, Ryan, Lynch, Flanagan, Burke, campion, could all be used. Also we might see the much awaited return of Niall Kane, the man who knew he would get seriously hurt going for a ball to make sure we beat Kildare in league, and went for it anyway "as that what players for Meath do" and broke his arm, recovery is going well and should he enter the pitch on Leinster final he will be greeted to a tremendous reception .
There is others I have left out, the panel of 35/36 competition for places even in the match day panel is so intense, never mind the starting 15, a great headache for Andy to have.
Hon the royal

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 15256 - 16/06/2019 10:49:16    2195649

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On the team itself?? Jim will name a team and likely make a change before hand depending on the availability of Cooper and possibly Dean Rock


1. Stephen Cluxton - 6 All Irelands, 14 leinsters, 5 NFLs, 5 all stars.

2. David Byrne - 4 all Irelands, 5 leinsters, 4 NFL's

3. Mick Fitzsimons - 6 all Irelands, 7 leinsters, 5 NFL's

4. John Small - 4 all Ireland medals. 3 Leinsters, 3 national leagues

5. James McCarthy - 6 all Irelands, 7 leinsters, 5 national football leagues. 3 all stars

6. Cian O'Sullivan - 6 all Irelands, 8 leinster titles, 5 NFLs, 3 all stars.

7. Jack McCaffrey - 4 all Irelands. 5 leinsters, 3 NFLs. former POTY anf YPOTY, 3 all stars

8. Brian Fenton - 4 all Irelands, 4 leinsters, 3 NFLS, current POTY, 3 all stars

9. MDMcA - 6 all Irelands, 7 leinsters, 5 NFLs, 2 all stars

10. Brian Howard - 1 all Ireland, 1 leinster, 1 all star.

11. Ciaran Kilkenny - 5 all Irelands, 5 leinsters, 4 NFLs. 3 all stars

12. Niall Scully - 2 all Irelands, 2 leinsters.

13. Cormac Costello - 4 all Irelands, 5 leinsters, 4 NFLs

14. CON - 3 all Irelands. 3 leinsters.

15. Paul Mannion - 4 all Irelands, 4 leinsters, 4 NFLs


Dublins potential starting team between them : All Irelands - 64 / Leinsters - 80 / All stars - 23 / POTY/YPOTY - 3

Meaths potentially starting team according to RD : All Irelands - 0 / Leinsters - 0 / All stars - 0 / POTY/YPOTY - 0

The biggest David v Goliath clash since 9/6/19 when Dublin played Kildare.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13308 - 16/06/2019 13:39:14    2195713

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Replying To waynoI:  "On the team itself?? Jim will name a team and likely make a change before hand depending on the availability of Cooper and possibly Dean Rock


1. Stephen Cluxton - 6 All Irelands, 14 leinsters, 5 NFLs, 5 all stars.

2. David Byrne - 4 all Irelands, 5 leinsters, 4 NFL's

3. Mick Fitzsimons - 6 all Irelands, 7 leinsters, 5 NFL's

4. John Small - 4 all Ireland medals. 3 Leinsters, 3 national leagues

5. James McCarthy - 6 all Irelands, 7 leinsters, 5 national football leagues. 3 all stars

6. Cian O'Sullivan - 6 all Irelands, 8 leinster titles, 5 NFLs, 3 all stars.

7. Jack McCaffrey - 4 all Irelands. 5 leinsters, 3 NFLs. former POTY anf YPOTY, 3 all stars

8. Brian Fenton - 4 all Irelands, 4 leinsters, 3 NFLS, current POTY, 3 all stars

9. MDMcA - 6 all Irelands, 7 leinsters, 5 NFLs, 2 all stars

10. Brian Howard - 1 all Ireland, 1 leinster, 1 all star.

11. Ciaran Kilkenny - 5 all Irelands, 5 leinsters, 4 NFLs. 3 all stars

12. Niall Scully - 2 all Irelands, 2 leinsters.

13. Cormac Costello - 4 all Irelands, 5 leinsters, 4 NFLs

14. CON - 3 all Irelands. 3 leinsters.

15. Paul Mannion - 4 all Irelands, 4 leinsters, 4 NFLs


Dublins potential starting team between them : All Irelands - 64 / Leinsters - 80 / All stars - 23 / POTY/YPOTY - 3

Meaths potentially starting team according to RD : All Irelands - 0 / Leinsters - 0 / All stars - 0 / POTY/YPOTY - 0

The biggest David v Goliath clash since 9/6/19 when Dublin played Kildare."
Hopefully the Dubs team and management are of a similar "forgone conclusion" mindset

cabbage (Meath) - Posts: 110 - 16/06/2019 23:11:52    2196138

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Replying To OLLIE:  "Meath v Dublin. No team have ever won five matches in a row against each other in this fixture. The Dubs have won the last four championship matches against Meath. Will this be the first part of their drive for five?"
Sorry to say this Ollie. But there has been 5 in a row wins in the Meath v Dublin rivalry.

Dublin won 6 in a row v Meath in late 70s and 80s. Dublin defeated Meath in 1974 , 1976 , 1977 , 1980 , 1983 and 1984. But Meath would get revenge between 1986 and 1991 when Meath played Dublin in 10 matchs in 6 years including a league final , and Dublin won once.
Meath also defeated Dublin 4 times in row in 96 96 98 01. And Meath also have 5 in row wins v Dubs in 40s and 50s. Meath defeated Dublin in 1945 1947 1951 1952 1953.

It is a very even rivalry. In the last 70 years

There has been 18 leinster finals between Meath and Dublin. And no draws
In the last 70 years Dublin have won 10 times in Meath v Dublin leinster finals
In the last 70 years Meath have won 8 times in Meath v Dublin leinster finals.

There has been 41 Meath v Dublin championship matchs in last 70 years.
There has been 6 draws.
In the last 70 years
Dublin have beaten Meath 20 times in championship
Meath have beaten Dublin 15 times

This why Meath will always be confident v Dublin. No other team in the country other then Kerry comes close.
Meath have beaten Dublin in 7 leinster finals in last 35 years.
Dublin have beaten Meath in 7 leinster finals in last 35 years.
Dublin have beaten kildare in 5 leinster finals in last 35 years.
kildare have beaten Dublin in 1 leinster final in 90 years.

Most teams in leinster havent beaten Dublin in decades. Wexford Wicklow and Carlow havent beaten Dublin in 70 years in the championship . Longford havent beaten Dublin in 50 years in the championship. Louth havent beaten Dublin in 45 years in the championship. Westmeath have beaten Dublin once in championship in 70 years. Laois have beaten Dublin twice in 60 years in championship. Kildare have beaten Dublin twice in leinster championship in 45 years.

Outside the provience it is the same. . Galway havent beaten Dublin in 90 years in championship. Mayo have beaten Dublin twice in the championship ( 2005 and 2012 ) and 1 draw ( 1985). No other team in Connacht has beaten Dublin in championship. In Ulster Tyrone have 2 victories and 1 draw in championship v Dubs , Armagh have two victories over Dubs in. championship , Donegal have 2 victories ( 92 and 2014 ) and 1 draw v Dubs in championship. And Derry and Down both have 1 victory over the Dubs in the championship. Cavan Monanghan Fermanagh and Antrim.have never beaten Dublin in the championship.

Down south Cork have 3 victories over Dublin in the championship ever. But it is kerry and Meath that stand out.
kerry have 17 victories and 2 draws v Dublin in the championship. Which is extraordinary.
Meath have 20 victories and 9 draws v the Dubs in the championship. Meath have 15 victories over Dublin in the league. Which means Meath have defeated Dublin 35 times in league championship and add draws Meath have been undefeated by Dublin in 44 games in championship and league. That is an outstanding record v Dublin. Meath are Dublins tradition greatest rival and greatest nemesis.

Thats why Meath supporters always feel.they have a chance. In the last few years no one from kildare Westmeath or laois would have came on the forum and said they were going to win. But Meath supporters are saying they will.win on the forum and in real life people across the county are saying it. People might scoff at that and belittle that atitude outside the county. But Meath always feel they can put it up to Dublin. There is just such a long tradition of beating Dublin Meath people always belief. The same way Galway always believe they can beat Mayo or Armagh beat Tyrone or Tippearey beat kilkenny. Its called a rivalry.

People say that means nothing. Well in last couple years at underage a county has beaten Dublin 4 times in 4 years. Which is unprecedented at any level in leinster . Who was it ? Meath defeated Dublin 4 times in 4 years at minor level. Why ? Clearly Meath have good young footballers. Secondly the Meath v Dublin rivalry. There is a believe in the county and there will always be a believe that we can beat Dublin in Meath. That might annoy people but sure is it not better to believe in ur county rather then been defeatist..People complain when Dublin hammer everyone in leinster. Yet when a county says it believes it can beat Dublin. This is scoffed at.

I have very little evidence that Meath can put it up Dublin other then Meaths performances v Donegal and Tyrone, every Meath manager in his firsr game always puts it up to Dublin. But overall I just have a feeling in my gut in my water that Meath can really put it up to Dublin . And if we get a few break victory could happen.

I have lots of evidence to say Meath will be very strong in next 2 to 3 years. But little evidence that Meath can put it up to Dublin other then a gut feeling. Its the tradition of Meath v Dublin rivalry. We always feel we can take the fight Dublin here in Meath. There is 44 undefeated competitive games Meath have played v Dublin. They are the 44 reasons why we believe we can beat Dublin.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 770 - 16/06/2019 23:28:01    2196143

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Replying To OLLIE:  "Meath v Dublin. No team have ever won five matches in a row against each other in this fixture. The Dubs have won the last four championship matches against Meath. Will this be the first part of their drive for five?"
Sorry to say this Ollie. But there has been 5 in a row wins in the Meath v Dublin rivalry.

Dublin won 6 in a row v Meath in late 70s and 80s. Dublin defeated Meath in 1974 , 1976 , 1977 , 1980 , 1983 and 1984. But Meath would get revenge between 1986 and 1991 when Meath played Dublin in 10 matchs in 6 years including a league final , and Dublin won once.
Meath also defeated Dublin 4 times in row in 96 96 98 01. And Meath also have 5 in row wins v Dubs in 40s and 50s. Meath defeated Dublin in 1945 1947 1951 1952 1953.

It is a very even rivalry. In the last 70 years

There has been 18 leinster finals between Meath and Dublin. And no draws
In the last 70 years Dublin have won 10 times in Meath v Dublin leinster finals
In the last 70 years Meath have won 8 times in Meath v Dublin leinster finals.

There has been 41 Meath v Dublin championship matchs in last 70 years.
There has been 6 draws.
In the last 70 years
Dublin have beaten Meath 20 times in championship
Meath have beaten Dublin 15 times

This why Meath will always be confident v Dublin. No other team in the country other then Kerry comes close.
Meath have beaten Dublin in 7 leinster finals in last 35 years.
Dublin have beaten Meath in 7 leinster finals in last 35 years.
Dublin have beaten kildare in 5 leinster finals in last 35 years.
kildare have beaten Dublin in 1 leinster final in 90 years.

Most teams in leinster havent beaten Dublin in decades. Wexford Wicklow and Carlow havent beaten Dublin in 70 years in the championship . Longford havent beaten Dublin in 50 years in the championship. Louth havent beaten Dublin in 45 years in the championship. Westmeath have beaten Dublin once in championship in 70 years. Laois have beaten Dublin twice in 60 years in championship. Kildare have beaten Dublin twice in leinster championship in 45 years.

Outside the provience it is the same. . Galway havent beaten Dublin in 90 years in championship. Mayo have beaten Dublin twice in the championship ( 2005 and 2012 ) and 1 draw ( 1985). No other team in Connacht has beaten Dublin in championship. In Ulster Tyrone have 2 victories and 1 draw in championship v Dubs , Armagh have two victories over Dubs in. championship , Donegal have 2 victories ( 92 and 2014 ) and 1 draw v Dubs in championship. And Derry and Down both have 1 victory over the Dubs in the championship. Cavan Monanghan Fermanagh and Antrim.have never beaten Dublin in the championship.

Down south Cork have 3 victories over Dublin in the championship ever. But it is kerry and Meath that stand out.
kerry have 17 victories and 2 draws v Dublin in the championship. Which is extraordinary.
Meath have 20 victories and 9 draws v the Dubs in the championship. Meath have 15 victories over Dublin in the league. Which means Meath have defeated Dublin 35 times in league championship and add draws Meath have been undefeated by Dublin in 44 games in championship and league. That is an outstanding record v Dublin. Meath are Dublins tradition greatest rival and greatest nemesis.

Thats why Meath supporters always feel.they have a chance. In the last few years no one from kildare Westmeath or laois would have came on the forum and said they were going to win. But Meath supporters are saying they will.win on the forum and in real life people across the county are saying it. People might scoff at that and belittle that atitude outside the county. But Meath always feel they can put it up to Dublin. There is just such a long tradition of beating Dublin Meath people always belief. The same way Galway always believe they can beat Mayo or Armagh beat Tyrone or Tippearey beat kilkenny. Its called a rivalry.

People say that means nothing. Well in last couple years at underage a county has beaten Dublin 4 times in 4 years. Which is unprecedented at any level in leinster . Who was it ? Meath defeated Dublin 4 times in 4 years at minor level. Why ? Clearly Meath have good young footballers. Secondly the Meath v Dublin rivalry. There is a believe in the county and there will always be a believe that we can beat Dublin in Meath. That might annoy people but sure is it not better to believe in ur county rather then been defeatist..People complain when Dublin hammer everyone in leinster. Yet when a county says it believes it can beat Dublin. This is scoffed at.

I have very little evidence that Meath can put it up Dublin other then Meaths performances v Donegal and Tyrone, every Meath manager in his firsr game always puts it up to Dublin. But overall I just have a feeling in my gut in my water that Meath can really put it up to Dublin . And if we get a few break victory could happen.

I have lots of evidence to say Meath will be very strong in next 2 to 3 years. But little evidence that Meath can put it up to Dublin other then a gut feeling. Its the tradition of Meath v Dublin rivalry. We always feel we can take the fight Dublin here in Meath. There is 44 undefeated competitive games Meath have played v Dublin. They are the 44 reasons why we believe we can beat Dublin.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 770 - 16/06/2019 23:56:45    2196147

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I meant to say Meath beat the Dubs in 1996 1997 1999 and 2001. I made. a typing error.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 770 - 17/06/2019 00:36:54    2196156

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Also I should have said Mayo drew with Dublin 4 times eg 1955 1985 and twice in this decade and 2 wins. Again Sorry about that.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 770 - 17/06/2019 00:41:00    2196157

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Replying To cabbage:  "Hopefully the Dubs team and management are of a similar "forgone conclusion" mindset"
Indeed they are. They believe all they have to do is turn up. Which will make victory should it happen all the more sweeter
Hon the royal

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 15256 - 17/06/2019 09:16:27    2196219

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Replying To Furlong1949:  "Sorry to say this Ollie. But there has been 5 in a row wins in the Meath v Dublin rivalry.

Dublin won 6 in a row v Meath in late 70s and 80s. Dublin defeated Meath in 1974 , 1976 , 1977 , 1980 , 1983 and 1984. But Meath would get revenge between 1986 and 1991 when Meath played Dublin in 10 matchs in 6 years including a league final , and Dublin won once.
Meath also defeated Dublin 4 times in row in 96 96 98 01. And Meath also have 5 in row wins v Dubs in 40s and 50s. Meath defeated Dublin in 1945 1947 1951 1952 1953.

It is a very even rivalry. In the last 70 years

There has been 18 leinster finals between Meath and Dublin. And no draws
In the last 70 years Dublin have won 10 times in Meath v Dublin leinster finals
In the last 70 years Meath have won 8 times in Meath v Dublin leinster finals.

There has been 41 Meath v Dublin championship matchs in last 70 years.
There has been 6 draws.
In the last 70 years
Dublin have beaten Meath 20 times in championship
Meath have beaten Dublin 15 times

This why Meath will always be confident v Dublin. No other team in the country other then Kerry comes close.
Meath have beaten Dublin in 7 leinster finals in last 35 years.
Dublin have beaten Meath in 7 leinster finals in last 35 years.
Dublin have beaten kildare in 5 leinster finals in last 35 years.
kildare have beaten Dublin in 1 leinster final in 90 years.

Most teams in leinster havent beaten Dublin in decades. Wexford Wicklow and Carlow havent beaten Dublin in 70 years in the championship . Longford havent beaten Dublin in 50 years in the championship. Louth havent beaten Dublin in 45 years in the championship. Westmeath have beaten Dublin once in championship in 70 years. Laois have beaten Dublin twice in 60 years in championship. Kildare have beaten Dublin twice in leinster championship in 45 years.

Outside the provience it is the same. . Galway havent beaten Dublin in 90 years in championship. Mayo have beaten Dublin twice in the championship ( 2005 and 2012 ) and 1 draw ( 1985). No other team in Connacht has beaten Dublin in championship. In Ulster Tyrone have 2 victories and 1 draw in championship v Dubs , Armagh have two victories over Dubs in. championship , Donegal have 2 victories ( 92 and 2014 ) and 1 draw v Dubs in championship. And Derry and Down both have 1 victory over the Dubs in the championship. Cavan Monanghan Fermanagh and Antrim.have never beaten Dublin in the championship.

Down south Cork have 3 victories over Dublin in the championship ever. But it is kerry and Meath that stand out.
kerry have 17 victories and 2 draws v Dublin in the championship. Which is extraordinary.
Meath have 20 victories and 9 draws v the Dubs in the championship. Meath have 15 victories over Dublin in the league. Which means Meath have defeated Dublin 35 times in league championship and add draws Meath have been undefeated by Dublin in 44 games in championship and league. That is an outstanding record v Dublin. Meath are Dublins tradition greatest rival and greatest nemesis.

Thats why Meath supporters always feel.they have a chance. In the last few years no one from kildare Westmeath or laois would have came on the forum and said they were going to win. But Meath supporters are saying they will.win on the forum and in real life people across the county are saying it. People might scoff at that and belittle that atitude outside the county. But Meath always feel they can put it up to Dublin. There is just such a long tradition of beating Dublin Meath people always belief. The same way Galway always believe they can beat Mayo or Armagh beat Tyrone or Tippearey beat kilkenny. Its called a rivalry.

People say that means nothing. Well in last couple years at underage a county has beaten Dublin 4 times in 4 years. Which is unprecedented at any level in leinster . Who was it ? Meath defeated Dublin 4 times in 4 years at minor level. Why ? Clearly Meath have good young footballers. Secondly the Meath v Dublin rivalry. There is a believe in the county and there will always be a believe that we can beat Dublin in Meath. That might annoy people but sure is it not better to believe in ur county rather then been defeatist..People complain when Dublin hammer everyone in leinster. Yet when a county says it believes it can beat Dublin. This is scoffed at.

I have very little evidence that Meath can put it up Dublin other then Meaths performances v Donegal and Tyrone, every Meath manager in his firsr game always puts it up to Dublin. But overall I just have a feeling in my gut in my water that Meath can really put it up to Dublin . And if we get a few break victory could happen.

I have lots of evidence to say Meath will be very strong in next 2 to 3 years. But little evidence that Meath can put it up to Dublin other then a gut feeling. Its the tradition of Meath v Dublin rivalry. We always feel we can take the fight Dublin here in Meath. There is 44 undefeated competitive games Meath have played v Dublin. They are the 44 reasons why we believe we can beat Dublin."
Didnt our minor team beat Meath convincingly a few weeks back. Granted Meath has had a couple of wins in the last few years.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 2331 - 17/06/2019 13:44:36    2196492

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Replying To cabbage:  "Hopefully the Dubs team and management are of a similar "forgone conclusion" mindset"
Everyone knows that wont be the case, if you know anything about this Dublin team under JG youd know that they treat every team with the utmost respect, that's their job, we as fans can say what we want, it has no impact, ultimately if Meath beat us, all the best to them, but they wont. so...

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13308 - 17/06/2019 13:55:37    2196499

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Actually going from memory, didnt our minor team turn around a ten point deficit to beat Meath in 2017. That would make it impossible for Meath to beat Dublin minors four times in four seasons, if we beat yee in 17 &19.

Sorry a chara.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 2331 - 17/06/2019 14:02:31    2196503

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "The Dubs keep trying to call their hurlers minnows but the GAA investment has brought them from total obscurity where even meath could run them close to knocking galway out of the championship.

There is no question now the money helps. None whatsoever. Dublin taking from football contenders to domination and the hurlers taken from irrelevant to contenders. The hurling investment is fantastic I just hope they give it elsewhere now because why would you want the Dublin hurlers to dominate too."
Jeasus your just not able to stop yourself spitting guff about all things to do about the dubs,ffs they beat galway and fair play . Keep it to yourself lad your an embarrassment to the rest of the Meath supporters on Hogan stand.

Monkeycatcher (Meath) - Posts: 49 - 17/06/2019 15:08:25    2196556

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Replying To waynoI:  "Everyone knows that wont be the case, if you know anything about this Dublin team under JG youd know that they treat every team with the utmost respect, that's their job, we as fans can say what we want, it has no impact, ultimately if Meath beat us, all the best to them, but they wont. so..."
What's your prediction for the margin of victory? I'm going for a 9 point Dublin win and will stink 20 on meath beating the handicap of 12.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2390 - 17/06/2019 15:27:50    2196571

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Replying To Furlong1949:  "Also I should have said Mayo drew with Dublin 4 times eg 1955 1985 and twice in this decade and 2 wins. Again Sorry about that."
And you seem to be wrong to have disagreed with Ollie.
There was a draw in 83 to break the sequence and you left out Dublin beating meath in 89.
Don't know about the 40s and 50s but the evidence would suggest you might want to check it.
#ollieknows.

Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 325 - 17/06/2019 15:29:18    2196574

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Replying To Greenfield:  "And you seem to be wrong to have disagreed with Ollie.
There was a draw in 83 to break the sequence and you left out Dublin beating meath in 89.
Don't know about the 40s and 50s but the evidence would suggest you might want to check it.
#ollieknows."
Well Dublin did beat Meath in 1974 1976 1977 1981 1983 and 1984. But yes there was a draw in 1983 the first game so yes technically Ollie is right when I think of it. I just took.83 as a Dublin win I didnt take in the draw.
Apologies Ollie I should have never doubted u. Apologies.

I didnt say Meath won 5 times in a row between 86 and 91 I said there was lots competitive games in 6 years and Meath lost won once.

Meath v Dublin 1986 to 1991

Meath v Dublin 1986 leinster final Meath won
Meath v Dublin 1987 leinster final Meath won
Meath v Dublin 1988 leinster final Meath won
Meath v Dublin 1988 league div 1 final Draw
Meath v Dublin 1988 league div 1 final .Meath won
Meath v Dublin 1988 leinster final Meath won
Meath v Dublin 1989 leinster final Dublin won
Meath v Dublin 1990 leinster final Meath won
Meath v Dublin 1991 First Round Draw
Meath v Dublin 1991 First Round replay Draw
Meath v Dublin 1991 First Round 2nd Replay Draw
Meath v Dublin 1991 First Round 3rd Replay Meath won

My maths was wrong between 1986 and 1991 there was 12 competitive games between Meath and Dublin and Meath lost once.
In those 12 games There. was 7 Meath victories 1 Dublin victory and 4 draws.

The most sucessful period any county has ever had v Dublin in leinster championship.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 770 - 17/06/2019 17:48:01    2196674

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Actually going from memory, didnt our minor team turn around a ten point deficit to beat Meath in 2017. That would make it impossible for Meath to beat Dublin minors four times in four seasons, if we beat yee in 17 &19.

Sorry a chara."
Meath defeated Dublin 4 times in recent years at minor. These are the results

2016 Meath 1 - 18 Dublin 2 - 5 Meath won leinster Minor ( U18) semi final
2017 Meath beat Dublin by 2 point Leinster Minor ( U17) First Round
2017 Meath 3 - 12 Dublin 1 - 13 Meath won leinster Minor ( U17) Final
2018 Meath 1 - 13 Dubin 2- 8 Meath won leinster Minor ( U17) First Round

So Meath did beat Dublin 4 times in leinster minor championship recently, culminating in winning leinster minor championship last year when we done two in a row at the new minor grade age of under 17. We should have beaten Dublin at minor in last few years also when Colm Coyle was manager and we were 9 points up at half time v Dublin. And lost the game in extra time by a point. Meath are more then match for Dublin at minor .

But overall compared to 5 or 6 years ago leinster championship at minor and under 21 and under 20 is really competitive. This year u had strong Kildare Meath Dublin and Westmeath teams at minor and Meath kildare and Dublin have strong teams at under 20. 5 or 6 years ago Dublin were wiping the dloor with Meath and rest of leinster at under 21 and minor ( kildare won 2 under 21 leinster titles only team have competive team in that era v Dubs at under 21 ). And the minor championship in leinster was very uncompetitve for yrars5. Outside Dublin no leinster team has won a minor all ireland in 15 years and no leinster team outside Dublin other then Meath in 2012 have reached the All Ireland minor final in 15 years.

So for ten years Dublin were dominate at underage. That has changed with kildare hammering Dublin last year at under 20 level and Meath 4 victories at minor level v Dublin. If this continues it will make an impact at senior. Roscommon and Cavan had underage sucess , Roscommon have won 2 Senior Connacht titles in 3 years and being in last 4 senior Connacht finals in a row first time since 70s. Cavan are in first Ulster senior final in 18 years. Both counties won I think 5 in a row under 21 provicial titles in recent years. Galway Clare and limericks sucess at senior hurling is based on underage sucess . Meath and kildare have upped their game at underage. This will continue. Wicklow and louth have also got more coachs and investmemt and dont be surprised to see Wicklow and louth winning minor leinster titles in the next decade. The minor and under 20 leinster championship is very competitive compared to a few years ago..And the gap has closed with Dublin. In many cases teams have overtaken Dublin at underage

If u talk to people who work at underage football in Dublin they will tell u the talent they were producing 4 or 5 years ago eg Callaghan is not as strong. For example in Meath from the ages 17 to 20 we have a group of very talented exciting young forwards that would be better forwards then Dublin have at that age group. Meath always produced better natural forwards then Dublin the exception is this decade. But Meath had better forwards then Dublin in 40s 50s 60s 70s 80s 90s and even the 00s. Players like James Conlon and Dara Campion are the first of wave of talented young Meath forwards coming thru. Its hard to know with young lads. But compared to 5 or 6 years things are looking up at underage for many in leinster outside Dublin.


And the good news for Meath this years under 20 team is made up of last years leinster Minor winning and 2017 leinster minor under 17 champions. We should be very strong at under 20 this. But u never know with young lads and many a strong underage team failed to deliver. Hopefully that is not the case this year.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 770 - 17/06/2019 18:31:00    2196707

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Replying To Furlong1949:  "Meath defeated Dublin 4 times in recent years at minor. These are the results

2016 Meath 1 - 18 Dublin 2 - 5 Meath won leinster Minor ( U18) semi final
2017 Meath beat Dublin by 2 point Leinster Minor ( U17) First Round
2017 Meath 3 - 12 Dublin 1 - 13 Meath won leinster Minor ( U17) Final
2018 Meath 1 - 13 Dubin 2- 8 Meath won leinster Minor ( U17) First Round

So Meath did beat Dublin 4 times in leinster minor championship recently, culminating in winning leinster minor championship last year when we done two in a row at the new minor grade age of under 17. We should have beaten Dublin at minor in last few years also when Colm Coyle was manager and we were 9 points up at half time v Dublin. And lost the game in extra time by a point. Meath are more then match for Dublin at minor .

But overall compared to 5 or 6 years ago leinster championship at minor and under 21 and under 20 is really competitive. This year u had strong Kildare Meath Dublin and Westmeath teams at minor and Meath kildare and Dublin have strong teams at under 20. 5 or 6 years ago Dublin were wiping the dloor with Meath and rest of leinster at under 21 and minor ( kildare won 2 under 21 leinster titles only team have competive team in that era v Dubs at under 21 ). And the minor championship in leinster was very uncompetitve for yrars5. Outside Dublin no leinster team has won a minor all ireland in 15 years and no leinster team outside Dublin other then Meath in 2012 have reached the All Ireland minor final in 15 years.

So for ten years Dublin were dominate at underage. That has changed with kildare hammering Dublin last year at under 20 level and Meath 4 victories at minor level v Dublin. If this continues it will make an impact at senior. Roscommon and Cavan had underage sucess , Roscommon have won 2 Senior Connacht titles in 3 years and being in last 4 senior Connacht finals in a row first time since 70s. Cavan are in first Ulster senior final in 18 years. Both counties won I think 5 in a row under 21 provicial titles in recent years. Galway Clare and limericks sucess at senior hurling is based on underage sucess . Meath and kildare have upped their game at underage. This will continue. Wicklow and louth have also got more coachs and investmemt and dont be surprised to see Wicklow and louth winning minor leinster titles in the next decade. The minor and under 20 leinster championship is very competitive compared to a few years ago..And the gap has closed with Dublin. In many cases teams have overtaken Dublin at underage

If u talk to people who work at underage football in Dublin they will tell u the talent they were producing 4 or 5 years ago eg Callaghan is not as strong. For example in Meath from the ages 17 to 20 we have a group of very talented exciting young forwards that would be better forwards then Dublin have at that age group. Meath always produced better natural forwards then Dublin the exception is this decade. But Meath had better forwards then Dublin in 40s 50s 60s 70s 80s 90s and even the 00s. Players like James Conlon and Dara Campion are the first of wave of talented young Meath forwards coming thru. Its hard to know with young lads. But compared to 5 or 6 years things are looking up at underage for many in leinster outside Dublin.


And the good news for Meath this years under 20 team is made up of last years leinster Minor winning and 2017 leinster minor under 17 champions. We should be very strong at under 20 this. But u never know with young lads and many a strong underage team failed to deliver. Hopefully that is not the case this year."
Id be skeptical about getting carried away with underage county teams... in 4/5 years many county minors will barely be able to solo the ball anymore. They'll be off galavanting on their Saturday nights and they'll discover the world of work and the ladies (or fellas, whatever floats the boat), they might be still playing but have just got lost amongst the standards of their club scenes and ultimately slip through the cracks. They might be living in another part of the country. They might emigrate. They might lose interest or become disillusioned, as many sadly do. They could be 5 stone heavier (nature takes its course), theres a massive amount of variables in young men's lives. Also a serious lump of a lad at U-17 or U-20 might lose his physical ability at senior and all of a sudden, boom, he's no use. Its just the nature of the beast. Also a good quick lad of 5'6 and 10 stone could be dynamite at underage but too easily pushed off the ball at senior. If we get 4/5/6 players through to being capable seniors from any underage setup it'd be a success.

Young_gael (Meath) - Posts: 129 - 17/06/2019 19:05:07    2196727

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