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After a handy opener against Clare you'd have to see this one going the same way but I wonder have Cork any hope at all of putting up a bit of a battle.
They seem to have gone completely out of the picture again in Munster in what is all but a given for Kerry these days.
A lot of people won't even bother traveling to see this one.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1016 - 06/06/2019 07:18:48    2191073

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Replying To catch22:  "After a handy opener against Clare you'd have to see this one going the same way but I wonder have Cork any hope at all of putting up a bit of a battle.
They seem to have gone completely out of the picture again in Munster in what is all but a given for Kerry these days.
A lot of people won't even bother traveling to see this one."
As much as I'd like to be able to make a case for Cork I'm not able to.

I'm sure they'll give us a tough 20/30 minutes of football but we'll probably end up winning 8-10 points.

Cork if they can get a favorable draw in the 4th round qualifiers could possibly make the 8s and build from there for next year.

They have an excellent U20 team this year if things go well for them they can get some of those lads into their team for the league where they will surely get promotion to div 2 and they might build a bit of confidence again.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 9699 - 06/06/2019 11:17:01    2191125

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The best Cork can hope for is to keep it a contest for as long as possible and keep the margin of defeat to single digits. I think (hope) there are some improvements from last year but anything other than a comfortable Kerry win would be a major surprise.

rebelrising (Cork) - Posts: 2 - 06/06/2019 12:05:21    2191139

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Cork's aim will be to keep it to a single digit loss.

Not likely to happen. Kerry should win by in or around 15 points I'd say.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 12723 - 06/06/2019 12:12:16    2191141

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "As much as I'd like to be able to make a case for Cork I'm not able to.

I'm sure they'll give us a tough 20/30 minutes of football but we'll probably end up winning 8-10 points.

Cork if they can get a favorable draw in the 4th round qualifiers could possibly make the 8s and build from there for next year.

They have an excellent U20 team this year if things go well for them they can get some of those lads into their team for the league where they will surely get promotion to div 2 and they might build a bit of confidence again."
If Cork can't keep it less than 8-10 points they have no hope of making the super 8s.It would really need to be a very favourable draw.

dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 407 - 06/06/2019 12:20:58    2191143

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i have a feeling its going to go down
to the wire alot of good players on
that Cork team wouldnt be writing them off

wfkerry (USA) - Posts: 927 - 06/06/2019 12:28:03    2191146

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Replying To wfkerry:  "i have a feeling its going to go down
to the wire alot of good players on
that Cork team wouldnt be writing them off"
I don't think Kerry are anything special if you put it up to them. They couldn't beat Galway or Monaghan last year but we don't seem to get stuck in enough and give them too much respect.

rebelrising (Cork) - Posts: 2 - 06/06/2019 12:50:53    2191150

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Replying To dubarra:  "If Cork can't keep it less than 8-10 points they have no hope of making the super 8s.It would really need to be a very favourable draw."
It could happen though, Cork are not a bad team they just lack a bit of tactical nous and confidence.

If Cork had the right manager someone the players could buy into and follow they'd be top 4 team at their ease .

In fairness we are there for the taking, we're missing Star , Maher, Darran O'sullivan donnacha walsh Kevin McCarthy Peter Crowley killian young Barry john Keane and Shane Murphy from last years win.

Also I'd dont think JOD will be fit as he seems to have tore the calf muscle that he's been suffering from and Paul Geaney is going through a bad run of form with the last year so.

So like I say we're there for the taking but will Cork have the confidence to take it? We'll find out in 2 weeks I suppose.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 9699 - 06/06/2019 13:17:49    2191154

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Yes Kerry arent anything overly special , yet anyway!

But I for one vowed i would not set foot at a Munster Final again for many a year until Munster becomes more than a 1 horse race.
Kerry to win by at least 5 points with ease and if they keep the foot on the throat for the whole match we could see Kerry winning closer to 15.
This Cork team is a shambles and 1 game against Limerick shouldn't mask this.

Strange as it may sound I would love a good hard close game as it will show up issues within the Kerry team.
Paul Geaney won motm in last year's Munster final after scoring 2-5 yet didnt break a sweat. It showed in the Super 8 that his movement and overall play was way off and he is still well short of his old form.

woops (Kerry) - Posts: 2064 - 06/06/2019 13:46:02    2191160

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As long as they give Kerry a game I'll be happy with it

PyatPree (Cork) - Posts: 376 - 06/06/2019 18:07:26    2191241

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Kerry are stuttering big time and they have a lot of walking wounded at the minute but I still cannot see how cork will have enough to pull off a result here.

Cork need to recover some pride here and Kerry really need to find some form and put in a 70+ minute performance. We collapsed in the second half v Clare and in the league final a few months ago, and we can't seem to keep 15 players on the pitch. It simply won't be good enough in July, that's making the reasonable assumption that we will be in the Super 8's.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1576 - 06/06/2019 18:57:08    2191256

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Kerry need to fire in this one, anything less than a resounding win will worry the kingdom!

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 7701 - 06/06/2019 20:35:57    2191277

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For years this was the only all Division 1 provincial final. It is a local derby. Cork's decline in the league doesn't mean this will be plain sailing for Kerry. Were Tipperary a Division 3 team the year they made the semi-finals?

If Clare had been on Cork's side of the draw, it would have been interesting to see who would have made the final.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6233 - 06/06/2019 21:16:36    2191291

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We got relegated to Division 3 this year for a reason. However, we probably would be a 'good' Division 3 side - on par with Louth, Down etc. Limerick are a bad Division 4 side. We were at home. We got a good start. No surprise we won by that margin. Tipp may well have beaten them by same amount on another day. However, to suggest we have even the slightest chance of winning against Kerry is ridiculous. The small crowd and margin of victory may be more ammunition to kill this Munster football championship once and for all

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3739 - 06/06/2019 23:27:47    2191331

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Replying To bennybunny:  "We got relegated to Division 3 this year for a reason. However, we probably would be a 'good' Division 3 side - on par with Louth, Down etc. Limerick are a bad Division 4 side. We were at home. We got a good start. No surprise we won by that margin. Tipp may well have beaten them by same amount on another day. However, to suggest we have even the slightest chance of winning against Kerry is ridiculous. The small crowd and margin of victory may be more ammunition to kill this Munster football championship once and for all"
Could be one of the smallest crowds ever I'd say and that's a pity, it's been a long time since the pairc was rocking for a football match.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 9699 - 07/06/2019 11:21:04    2191391

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Replying To bennybunny:  "We got relegated to Division 3 this year for a reason. However, we probably would be a 'good' Division 3 side - on par with Louth, Down etc. Limerick are a bad Division 4 side. We were at home. We got a good start. No surprise we won by that margin. Tipp may well have beaten them by same amount on another day. However, to suggest we have even the slightest chance of winning against Kerry is ridiculous. The small crowd and margin of victory may be more ammunition to kill this Munster football championship once and for all"
Once and for all might be too strong. I think cork could come good quickly with the right management setup? Ye always have good underage teams and plenty of clubs to pick from. I know football has lost its way recently but the resources are there surely.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1576 - 07/06/2019 11:22:48    2191392

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Unless Kerry win this pulling up we can forget the super 8s.
Id love to see a strong Cork team again the GAA is a poorer place without them.
Being realistic though they are now a divison 3 side a shocking state for a countt as big and proud as Cork.
Kerrys curve is upwards and Corks has been downwards so kerry should win comfortably.

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1224 - 07/06/2019 13:37:09    2191438

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Replying To westkerry:  "Unless Kerry win this pulling up we can forget the super 8s.
Id love to see a strong Cork team again the GAA is a poorer place without them.
Being realistic though they are now a divison 3 side a shocking state for a countt as big and proud as Cork.
Kerrys curve is upwards and Corks has been downwards so kerry should win comfortably."
Not sure kerry need to win it pulling up we blazed our way through Munster last year and all it did was fire expectations and create unwanted and unrealistic hype around the team. That said I don't think anybody will be fooled this year, nobody fully understood how badly cork had fallen away in 2018.

I have a feeling that Kerry are on a training regime designed to get them to come in to peak physical shape in July because they know they will probably beat anybody in Munster even if they play very badly. They were heavy legged and ragged in the second half v Clare by all accounts, while they were bouncing off the turf this time last year. That's a sad indictment of the Munster championship that Kerry feel they can do that.

If they beat cork they have three weeks to prepare for the Super 8 opener. The aim is to get out of the group at the very least, target that first game at home and you are nearly there. They spent the whole campaign last year on the back foot after a wretched opener against Galway. They won't want that to happen again.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1576 - 07/06/2019 15:40:42    2191490

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Kerry with a handicap of 6 points are evens with the bookies.
Possibly worth a few bob

woops (Kerry) - Posts: 2064 - 12/06/2019 12:28:09    2193890

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It's disappointing that the only really competitive provincial championship left is Ulster, followed by Connacht which is still reasonably competitive, what happened to Cork? they had a mighty team not that long ago.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 765 - 12/06/2019 13:50:37    2193931

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