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Replying To Ulsterman: "Gaelic football is dead, Croke Park's infatuation with Dublin success has ensured that. The chickens are coming home to roost now. Many Gaels used to look forward to the football Championship but now it's just a bore and charade. Dublin will canter to 5 in a row, Croke Park will reap the financial rewards, tell us all how healthy the game is as it dies in front of their eyes. The Emperors New GAA Clothes will prevail ONCE AGAIN." I've been saying that for a few years now ulsterman.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 03/06/2019 14:21:52
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Replying To legendzxix: "Last year's Super 8s didn't really get firing. That could change this year. This is why it was brought in for 3 years. There is to be no knee jerk reaction.
Outside of the core support for all counties, there seems to be a bit of apathy around going to Croke Park. Home advantage fairness for the Big Smoke, the All-Ireland semi-finals and final are time enough to be going to Croke Park.
An opportunity for neutral venue fairness was passed up in favour of revenue. That's a business decision and all counties who voted in favour have to take responsibility for that.
If the Super 8 expanded to a Super 10, teams could get 2 home and away games each. The problem there is that how would you determine which provincial winner got home advantage over another? For that reason, you would want the provincial champions in their own groups. Hey presto, you are moving in the direction of 4 groups of 4 or 4 groups of 5.
It is all well and good for the GAA president to say Division 1 and 2 teams should be in the top tier. Division 3 and 4 teams will be in the bottom tier. Division 1 and 2 teams will want a bit of protection from relegation. Division 3 and 4 teams will want to be involved in the top tier. This is why instead of 16, the top tier will have 20 or 24 teams. That'll be just the nature of the discussions.
4 groups of 5 would seem to offer the best balance all around. It's a familiar format from the hurling. Group runners-up can have home advantage in preliminary quarter-finals against third placed teams. Group winners can have home advantage in the quarter-finals.
It's just a matter of deciding will the provincial championship continue to feed into the All-Ireland series going forward or is the a benefit in separation from the provincial and All-Ireland series?
Enjoy your county's championship summer and you county's county championship upon exit.
Is mise le meas,
The Legend." Last year to me it looked like the teams in Dublins side of the draw were happy not to take a hammering and play off against eachother for the second spot in the group.
In our group everyone went hell for leather against eachother which made all our games very interesting.
If the same thing happens this year then we'll have 1 very good group and 1 very mediocre group in the super 8s .
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 03/06/2019 14:29:26
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RTE are stupid not to show a football match on a Sunday to bring up viewing numbers, do they not have cameras at all the matches anyway. Show it on the RTE news channel, simultaneously if needs be. Don't think they missed a trick rather they are just stupid and arrogant as it is not revenue related ( they get subsidised anyway). If they had to earn it like everyone else they might have a different approach.
BBC are missing a trick in not nailing down the Ulster Ulster championship for live viewing.
mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1044 - 03/06/2019 15:25:23
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Replying To PK57: "From RTE's perspective, they show what makes money, but how can the GAA be ok with one of their sports being ignored. So far this year, both on TV and radio, it's all hurling and the football coverage on TV(even on TSG highlights show) is rushed at best. When proposals for a 2 tier championship are brought forward, we here how retaining the provincial's is vital, yet it's ok not to give those same games any coverage. This weekend there are 16 teams involved in qualifier action, so half the country, yet not one of those games is being shown on TV. On a simple promotion perspective, not giving any coverage to one sport has to have a negative impact on the sport." It is just the way the two codes are organised, hurling will be take back stage when the real stuff gets going in football. The only gripe I have with RTE is showing highlights of the games they showed live earlier in the day, makes no sense at all. Also showing two games life matches back-to-back same code is a bit taxing unless you want an afternoon snooze. But so far most of games so far (both codes) has been pretty poor with a few exceptions.
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Replying To arock: "It is just the way the two codes are organised, hurling will be take back stage when the real stuff gets going in football. The only gripe I have with RTE is showing highlights of the games they showed live earlier in the day, makes no sense at all. Also showing two games life matches back-to-back same code is a bit taxing unless you want an afternoon snooze. But so far most of games so far (both codes) has been pretty poor with a few exceptions." Really? Roscommon v mayo , longford v Kildare, Westmeath v Laois Meath v Offaly Cavan v Monaghan Cavan v Armagh. All great games. Yes the hurling as been as bad as I can remember. But the football has been fantastic.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 03/06/2019 16:57:09
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Last year to me it looked like the teams in Dublins side of the draw were happy not to take a hammering and play off against eachother for the second spot in the group.
In our group everyone went hell for leather against eachother which made all our games very interesting.
If the same thing happens this year then we'll have 1 very good group and 1 very mediocre group in the super 8s ." Didn't look like that in our match up in Omagh.
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Replying To Dubsfan28: "Didn't look like that in our match up in Omagh." Don't mention the T county.
It's a sore spot.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 03/06/2019 17:28:37
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Replying To Brian_Coyote: "The Armagh v Cavan match was very poor to watch, watched ten minutes of it went out cut the grass and came back in to find that they were still playing an hour later. The only reason anyone would have kept on watching it was that it was close. The only football I would sit down to watch now a days is when Kerry or Dublin are playing after that its a version of basketball/rugby you are watching, real sh1*e.
I remember being in CP when Kilkenny hammered Waterford and after 20 minutes I wondered why i had bottered, but then I realised i was watching one of the best performance ever, Tipp and Limerick at the weekend reminded me of that day. By the way the best match this weekend for skill, determination, closeness and excitement was the Offaly Antrim hurling match on GAANOW." I was there that day too....80 euro wasted
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 03/06/2019 17:42:27
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Replying To Dubsfan28: "Didn't look like that in our match up in Omagh." In fact weren't the last two games in your group very one sided? Hardly interesting and I think it was certainly "damage limitation" for Kildare in that game.
Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 03/06/2019 18:38:00
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Ye RTE has really doubled down on the Hurling championship this year with complete disregard for the football championship and it hasn't really worked out so far.
But look it they're coverage of the game is poor anyway, particularily the sunday game in the evenings which should be in a match of the day style format. But no, instead they show extended coverage and analysis of the games they already showed live and run through the games they didn't show in flippant 2min snippets with little or no analysis. Also the analysis these days tends to be more about pushing a tier 2 or 3 championship rather than actually talking about the games themselves.
It's absolutely atrocious stuff, I'd love to see the whole lot taken off them!
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Replying To Htaem: "Ye RTE has really doubled down on the Hurling championship this year with complete disregard for the football championship and it hasn't really worked out so far.
But look it they're coverage of the game is poor anyway, particularily the sunday game in the evenings which should be in a match of the day style format. But no, instead they show extended coverage and analysis of the games they already showed live and run through the games they didn't show in flippant 2min snippets with little or no analysis. Also the analysis these days tends to be more about pushing a tier 2 or 3 championship rather than actually talking about the games themselves.
It's absolutely atrocious stuff, I'd love to see the whole lot taken off them!" Agreed. I counted at least 8 times brolly mentioned the dubs while analyzing Roscommon v mayo.
Total and utter bunkum. It's getting worse, and I got to say Cahill hasn't a clue . It's gone to hell.
Hopefully virgin will make a offer to take it off rte and do a proper show at night. Either that let sky have complete coverage.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 03/06/2019 19:23:43
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Replying To Htaem: "Ye RTE has really doubled down on the Hurling championship this year with complete disregard for the football championship and it hasn't really worked out so far.
But look it they're coverage of the game is poor anyway, particularily the sunday game in the evenings which should be in a match of the day style format. But no, instead they show extended coverage and analysis of the games they already showed live and run through the games they didn't show in flippant 2min snippets with little or no analysis. Also the analysis these days tends to be more about pushing a tier 2 or 3 championship rather than actually talking about the games themselves.
It's absolutely atrocious stuff, I'd love to see the whole lot taken off them!" There will be more football matches shown on tv than hurling come the end of the year. What sort of split would you like? 80/20 football games?
tipp11 (Tipperary) - Posts: 353 - 03/06/2019 19:33:56
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Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 03/06/2019 20:10:14
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I think it's a GAA problem. They sell the Hurling and football rights as one package when they really should treat them as 2 seperate products.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 03/06/2019 20:12:03
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Replying To tipp11: "There will be more football matches shown on tv than hurling come the end of the year. What sort of split would you like? 80/20 football games?" 90/10. Watching paint dry would be more entertaining than what the hurling has been this year.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 03/06/2019 20:12:39
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Replying To legendzxix: "The Munster Hurling Championship is the GAA's finest silver. It is box office. The GAA are shrew. RTE are shrewd.
If the Super 8s isn't seen as box office as well, a review is needed but any reaction to last year would be a knee jerk reaction.
The neutral round in Croke Park last year didn't catch fire. The second round in provincial grounds had better atmosphere." I think the Ulster Football Championship is the most interesting and competitive provincial competition and has been for many years. And Im a big hurling fan. Yes the Munster Hurling Championship is great. And the Leinster hurling championship has got better recently as has the Connacht Football Championship. But for pure unpredictability and numver of counties with realistic aspirations of winning the UFC is hard to beat.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12027 - 03/06/2019 20:52:15
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Replying To arock: "It is just the way the two codes are organised, hurling will be take back stage when the real stuff gets going in football. The only gripe I have with RTE is showing highlights of the games they showed live earlier in the day, makes no sense at all. Also showing two games life matches back-to-back same code is a bit taxing unless you want an afternoon snooze. But so far most of games so far (both codes) has been pretty poor with a few exceptions." There is an evening audience for the highlights though shown live. It's just the way it is.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 03/06/2019 21:21:34
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Well it looks like there is going to be tiered championship future
as regards the coverage tg4 have to be brought into the discussion
they do a great job on gaa matches
they would be the perfect platform to cover these games
and play the final the weekend of all Ireland in croker
rhudson (Galway) - Posts: 1478 - 03/06/2019 21:47:49
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Why the need to annouce a schedule months in advance?
BBC and Sky can sort out fixtures at the drop of a hat with the FA Cup. RTE can show a qualifier game at 6 days notice.
Surely the logical thing is to announce what matches you are showing when you know where the best games will be?
We will end up watching Waterford getting beaten by somebody in a dead rubber match if we keep announcing months in advance.
It was a plan as the nose on your face that Wexford v Dublin was going to be the game of the weekend a few weeks ago and what the country ended up missing was a cracking game of hurling.
People blaming Dublin's success need to realise that when Kilkenny were beating all before them it didn't stop the Munster championship being shown widely on TV and people loving it. People want to see close games, nothing more nothing less. If people had seen Antrim v Offaly they would have thought it was game of the season.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1736 - 04/06/2019 09:41:16
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Fair City
Mrs Browns boys
Marty and Bernards big adventure
Dancing with the stars
Daniel and Majellas Road Trip
Munster hurling championship
RTE producers know quality when they see it.
MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 493 - 04/06/2019 10:24:38
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