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So far the hurling championship has been a disaster with so many one sided games. In contrast the football has had magnificent close games with some fine football performances, Meath v Offaly, longford v Kildare , Laois v Westmeath , Cavan v Monaghan, Cavan v Armagh. Roscommon v mayo. Now they may not be up to the standards of what dubs may produce, but it is one of the most competitive starts to football in long time. Close exciting games . If it was in hurling we would be told it was the best thing since sliced bread. But it is not put forward once, the pundits are more interested in putting down the game and making a name for themselves than actually analyzing the bloody thing. And the no football until provincial finals while exclusively showing round robin bs in hurling is the be all of everything. Hopefully this changes next year. Football is the more popular sport by some distance, so show it some respect. Rant over

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 02/06/2019 19:43:19    2189919

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Everybody loves a good hurling tussle but the neglect of the football championship is as shocking as it is frustrating by RTE. BBC2 showing deferred coverage 4 hours after the game started is barely gathering attention.

What's happened in RTE? Has the new head of sport Declan McBennett, himself an ex Monaghan GAA star - been held to ransom by his old friends in BBC NI ???

GerryD (Monaghan) - Posts: 336 - 02/06/2019 22:24:56    2190011

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The Munster Hurling Championship is the GAA's finest silver. It is box office. The GAA are shrew. RTE are shrewd.

If the Super 8s isn't seen as box office as well, a review is needed but any reaction to last year would be a knee jerk reaction.

The neutral round in Croke Park last year didn't catch fire. The second round in provincial grounds had better atmosphere.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 03/06/2019 00:53:22    2190049

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Replying To royaldunne:  "So far the hurling championship has been a disaster with so many one sided games. In contrast the football has had magnificent close games with some fine football performances, Meath v Offaly, longford v Kildare , Laois v Westmeath , Cavan v Monaghan, Cavan v Armagh. Roscommon v mayo. Now they may not be up to the standards of what dubs may produce, but it is one of the most competitive starts to football in long time. Close exciting games . If it was in hurling we would be told it was the best thing since sliced bread. But it is not put forward once, the pundits are more interested in putting down the game and making a name for themselves than actually analyzing the bloody thing. And the no football until provincial finals while exclusively showing round robin bs in hurling is the be all of everything. Hopefully this changes next year. Football is the more popular sport by some distance, so show it some respect. Rant over"
It's great to see some good football games. However the best will be evenly matched teams now and in the qualifiers. Once the super 8s get going I'm not too optimistic.

Hurling has been poor. But it's early enough in the season. When football is played like Derry v Down 1994, Meath v Tyrone 1996, Mayo v Galway 1998, Laois v Kildare 2003, Kerry v Tyrone 2005, Kerry v Dublin 2013, Mayo v Dublin 2017 etc it's a brilliant game. However in my opinion hurling is that bit more likely to deliver a better game during the senior inter county championship, and is that bit more skilfull.

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 03/06/2019 01:06:36    2190050

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Gaelic football is dead, Croke Park's infatuation with Dublin success has ensured that. The chickens are coming home to roost now. Many Gaels used to look forward to the football Championship but now it's just a bore and charade. Dublin will canter to 5 in a row, Croke Park will reap the financial rewards, tell us all how healthy the game is as it dies in front of their eyes. The Emperors New GAA Clothes will prevail ONCE AGAIN.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9706 - 03/06/2019 01:13:54    2190052

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Replying To GerryD:  "Everybody loves a good hurling tussle but the neglect of the football championship is as shocking as it is frustrating by RTE. BBC2 showing deferred coverage 4 hours after the game started is barely gathering attention.

What's happened in RTE? Has the new head of sport Declan McBennett, himself an ex Monaghan GAA star - been held to ransom by his old friends in BBC NI ???"
It is absolutely bizarre to say the least. Sky are showing some but what rte is actually doing is showing contempt for football. I do wonder what would be the reaction if a hurling match wasn't shown until provincial final. ??

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 03/06/2019 08:54:50    2190076

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Replying To GerryD:  "Everybody loves a good hurling tussle but the neglect of the football championship is as shocking as it is frustrating by RTE. BBC2 showing deferred coverage 4 hours after the game started is barely gathering attention.

What's happened in RTE? Has the new head of sport Declan McBennett, himself an ex Monaghan GAA star - been held to ransom by his old friends in BBC NI ???"
Declan Mc Bennett never played for Monaghan. He has said this openly in numerous interviews. I agree with your other points though.

croker16 (Louth) - Posts: 349 - 03/06/2019 09:29:23    2190078

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Replying To royaldunne:  "It is absolutely bizarre to say the least. Sky are showing some but what rte is actually doing is showing contempt for football. I do wonder what would be the reaction if a hurling match wasn't shown until provincial final. ??"
It's a joke...best game if the weekend shown on deferred coverage at 7pm last night. The hurling was a complete bore fest yesterday.

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 03/06/2019 09:32:37    2190080

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Football requires a good year to waken RTE up, 2019 is heading towards the best football championship in 15 years. We've had fantastic games so far and to think we have Tyrone/Donegal, Dublin/Kildare, Monaghan/Fermanagh, Armagh/Cavan this weekend followed by Kerry/Cork the week after followed by the other finals. Don't be shy to say 2019 is football's year. 2020 will see a massive policy change at RTE on the back of this success.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 03/06/2019 09:54:55    2190084

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Replying To royaldunne:  "It is absolutely bizarre to say the least. Sky are showing some but what rte is actually doing is showing contempt for football. I do wonder what would be the reaction if a hurling match wasn't shown until provincial final. ??"
Calm down, calm down. I was baffled by the scheduling but when you think about it, the GAA are breaking the sports in to two different cycles. First comes hurling. Cram as many top class games into the spring / early summer. Once the Munster / Leinster championships are over, the football super 8's take off with wall to wall coverage of that. Throw in the semi finals and finals of both codes in late summer and then we're done.

This does leave the provincial football championships with limited exposure but as Ulster is the only decent one at the moment, the GAA have followed the money and set it up this way.

As to why the hurling championships seem to be less trilling year, in my opinion is that we were all expecting the same close games as last year but in fairness Tipp have got the measure of everybody so far and Waterford have regressed badly!

Termon (Tyrone) - Posts: 58 - 03/06/2019 09:56:21    2190085

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Dublin's dominance appears to be affecting many neutrals, who realistically will never see their county in an All Ireland final. No criticism of Dublin, fair play to them but not sure this is the base the GAA was built on and close analysis may show that if the present trend continues, the current model may not be sustainable.

If RTE covered enough games, both hurling and football, it should not be beyond the wit of a producer to show more of the best, most exciting games. This of course puts lots of sponsors noses out of joint and there is a lot snobbery attached to both codes where focus has to be given to the top teams, regardless of the one sided games, as was displayed in the hurling yesterday. Back in the day if when Antrim were beaten by those type of scores there was almost a queue of people pushing for Antrim to be downgraded.

The Antrim/Offaly hurling match on Saturday was as good a game as I have witnessed in a long long time. All credit to GAANOW for their excellent coverage and commentary.

Yes, RTE are missing a trick.

Glensboy (Antrim) - Posts: 290 - 03/06/2019 10:24:58    2190096

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Replying To mayotyroneman:  "It's a joke...best game if the weekend shown on deferred coverage at 7pm last night. The hurling was a complete bore fest yesterday."
Surely someone in rte must recognize this??

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 03/06/2019 10:37:48    2190099

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Replying To mayotyroneman:  "It's a joke...best game if the weekend shown on deferred coverage at 7pm last night. The hurling was a complete bore fest yesterday."
The Armagh v Cavan match was very poor to watch, watched ten minutes of it went out cut the grass and came back in to find that they were still playing an hour later. The only reason anyone would have kept on watching it was that it was close. The only football I would sit down to watch now a days is when Kerry or Dublin are playing after that its a version of basketball/rugby you are watching, real sh1*e.

I remember being in CP when Kilkenny hammered Waterford and after 20 minutes I wondered why i had bottered, but then I realised i was watching one of the best performance ever, Tipp and Limerick at the weekend reminded me of that day. By the way the best match this weekend for skill, determination, closeness and excitement was the Offaly Antrim hurling match on GAANOW.

Brian_Coyote (Antrim) - Posts: 346 - 03/06/2019 10:38:08    2190101

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Replying To Glensboy:  "Dublin's dominance appears to be affecting many neutrals, who realistically will never see their county in an All Ireland final. No criticism of Dublin, fair play to them but not sure this is the base the GAA was built on and close analysis may show that if the present trend continues, the current model may not be sustainable.

If RTE covered enough games, both hurling and football, it should not be beyond the wit of a producer to show more of the best, most exciting games. This of course puts lots of sponsors noses out of joint and there is a lot snobbery attached to both codes where focus has to be given to the top teams, regardless of the one sided games, as was displayed in the hurling yesterday. Back in the day if when Antrim were beaten by those type of scores there was almost a queue of people pushing for Antrim to be downgraded.

The Antrim/Offaly hurling match on Saturday was as good a game as I have witnessed in a long long time. All credit to GAANOW for their excellent coverage and commentary.

Yes, RTE are missing a trick."
I agree with that. Look while it nearly sent me mental, Offaly performance against Meath , playing with such pride (can't help but think their former manager rip was to forefront in their minds ) showed what a good open competitive game can throw up, young lad named Darby was fantastic that day, even our own Bryan McMahon had a great game , no negative hits no cynical play, all that's good about football, now yes perhaps Meath were complacent after gaining promotion, or they were tired. But players like that Darby chap should have had his day in the sun, and even on highlights Ose seemed more interested in running Meath down. Rte need a total overhaul of how they present football.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 03/06/2019 10:45:36    2190103

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Replying To Termon:  "Calm down, calm down. I was baffled by the scheduling but when you think about it, the GAA are breaking the sports in to two different cycles. First comes hurling. Cram as many top class games into the spring / early summer. Once the Munster / Leinster championships are over, the football super 8's take off with wall to wall coverage of that. Throw in the semi finals and finals of both codes in late summer and then we're done.

This does leave the provincial football championships with limited exposure but as Ulster is the only decent one at the moment, the GAA have followed the money and set it up this way.

As to why the hurling championships seem to be less trilling year, in my opinion is that we were all expecting the same close games as last year but in fairness Tipp have got the measure of everybody so far and Waterford have regressed badly!"
Really?? I watch all provincial games if possible, I am not a one province gaa man. So tell me what did you think of the great game between Westmeath and Laois? The unbelievable first game between Kildare and longford? The epic battle that it took for Meath to overcome Offaly? So none of those games competitive?? Wow.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 03/06/2019 10:49:09    2190104

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Replying To royaldunne:  "So far the hurling championship has been a disaster with so many one sided games. In contrast the football has had magnificent close games with some fine football performances, Meath v Offaly, longford v Kildare , Laois v Westmeath , Cavan v Monaghan, Cavan v Armagh. Roscommon v mayo. Now they may not be up to the standards of what dubs may produce, but it is one of the most competitive starts to football in long time. Close exciting games . If it was in hurling we would be told it was the best thing since sliced bread. But it is not put forward once, the pundits are more interested in putting down the game and making a name for themselves than actually analyzing the bloody thing. And the no football until provincial finals while exclusively showing round robin bs in hurling is the be all of everything. Hopefully this changes next year. Football is the more popular sport by some distance, so show it some respect. Rant over"
Hindsight.....nobody could have predicted any of the results in munster. I thought yesterday tipp Clare was going to be one of the games of the year and expected so much more from Clare. Equally no-one would have predicted Meath would stumble so much against Offaly? How could you really say before the game this should have been on telly?

tipp11 (Tipperary) - Posts: 353 - 03/06/2019 11:09:16    2190108

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It will be a moot point shortly, where rte and GAA are remedial is not streaming every game live and letting supporters pick what game they want, GAA Go etc are proving this is possible and its what people want. Anyone who lived in Austriala or New Zealand or in the States will know you can pick what PL game to watch on a match choice basis live.

If RTE has a camera at every game, they should be streaming every game live and allowing people to pick. The reason they dont, is they are creaming advertising revenue in the old model. But arent creative enough to see it as a duel income stream as opposed to all or nothing. It will happen though.

What annoys me is lumping everything in under a GAA banner - football and hurling are two different sports, if they had any nous they would link with the GAA and have either a Saturday or a Sunday as football or hurling day, then alternate every second weekend.

Mad situations where hurlers and footballers playing on the same day or away twice in the one weekend for some counties. It undermines games and teams.

Between broadcasting and organisation, the GAA and media flush money down the jacks.

It will come though.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 03/06/2019 11:21:23    2190116

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Last year's Super 8s didn't really get firing. That could change this year. This is why it was brought in for 3 years. There is to be no knee jerk reaction.

Outside of the core support for all counties, there seems to be a bit of apathy around going to Croke Park. Home advantage fairness for the Big Smoke, the All-Ireland semi-finals and final are time enough to be going to Croke Park.

An opportunity for neutral venue fairness was passed up in favour of revenue. That's a business decision and all counties who voted in favour have to take responsibility for that.

If the Super 8 expanded to a Super 10, teams could get 2 home and away games each. The problem there is that how would you determine which provincial winner got home advantage over another? For that reason, you would want the provincial champions in their own groups. Hey presto, you are moving in the direction of 4 groups of 4 or 4 groups of 5.

It is all well and good for the GAA president to say Division 1 and 2 teams should be in the top tier. Division 3 and 4 teams will be in the bottom tier. Division 1 and 2 teams will want a bit of protection from relegation. Division 3 and 4 teams will want to be involved in the top tier. This is why instead of 16, the top tier will have 20 or 24 teams. That'll be just the nature of the discussions.

4 groups of 5 would seem to offer the best balance all around. It's a familiar format from the hurling. Group runners-up can have home advantage in preliminary quarter-finals against third placed teams. Group winners can have home advantage in the quarter-finals.

It's just a matter of deciding will the provincial championship continue to feed into the All-Ireland series going forward or is the a benefit in separation from the provincial and All-Ireland series?

Enjoy your county's championship summer and you county's county championship upon exit.

Is mise le meas,

The Legend.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 03/06/2019 11:29:43    2190117

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From RTE's perspective, they show what makes money, but how can the GAA be ok with one of their sports being ignored. So far this year, both on TV and radio, it's all hurling and the football coverage on TV(even on TSG highlights show) is rushed at best. When proposals for a 2 tier championship are brought forward, we here how retaining the provincial's is vital, yet it's ok not to give those same games any coverage. This weekend there are 16 teams involved in qualifier action, so half the country, yet not one of those games is being shown on TV. On a simple promotion perspective, not giving any coverage to one sport has to have a negative impact on the sport.

PK57 (Louth) - Posts: 1656 - 03/06/2019 12:26:19    2190141

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Replying To PK57:  "From RTE's perspective, they show what makes money, but how can the GAA be ok with one of their sports being ignored. So far this year, both on TV and radio, it's all hurling and the football coverage on TV(even on TSG highlights show) is rushed at best. When proposals for a 2 tier championship are brought forward, we here how retaining the provincial's is vital, yet it's ok not to give those same games any coverage. This weekend there are 16 teams involved in qualifier action, so half the country, yet not one of those games is being shown on TV. On a simple promotion perspective, not giving any coverage to one sport has to have a negative impact on the sport."
The Super 8s will not be ignored. This is hurling's moment in the spotlight. It's their smart response to the Super 8. If the Super 8s catches fire this summer, it can overshadow the hurling that went before it. Only _____ rush in?

Is mise le meas,

The Legend.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 03/06/2019 13:25:27    2190156

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