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Munster is great and has historically been great , it's been very one sided games this year but it's still set up for a great finish Tipp v limerick is going to be epic. Limerick v Clare huge game Cork v Clare massive aswell. It hasn't caught fire yet but it will. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 03/06/2019 10:13:31 2190093 Link 1 |
Back o the topic the main problem I see in Waterford is the attitude of the players. The Sunday Game pointed out how lazy Austin Gleeson was yesterday. He has played that way all year. I don't know if you blame management or the player for this, but i can recall Mullane busting his rear end in the 08 All Ireland Final and Waterford were getting hammered. He never gave up. I think this team is void of senior leadership and again I can't tell if that comes from the players or management. I do believe players are responsible for themselves but maybe the management should have sat him down for a match or two earlier in the season. gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 318 - 03/06/2019 12:03:32 2190129 Link 0 |
It didnt this year Oldtourman as we are still probably a bit off winning it and noone was going to be relegated. Was just pointing out to the other poster who was running Wexford and Dublin down that they have been 2 of very few counties that have beaten Tipp this year.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12023 - 03/06/2019 12:07:26 2190131 Link 0 |
U21 championships count for alot. I watch them every year. Usually good exciting hurling too. And midweek evenings suit me better too. Waterford have brilliant hurlers. Before the start of the league I thought Limerick and Galway were my favourites for Liam and that Waterford and Clare would be the 2 next best bets. You can see this in a post i put up at the time. Sheedy has galvanised Tipp but the biggest championship shock for me still is how poor Waterford have been. They have great players.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12023 - 03/06/2019 12:12:40 2190135 Link 0 |
And longterm it would surely be good for Kerry hurling? Maybe increase the playing numbers down there? And as a knockon Munster and Nationaly for the game of hurling as a whole?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12023 - 03/06/2019 12:16:56 2190136 Link 0 |
And longterm it would surely be good for Kerry hurling? Maybe increase the playing numbers down there? And as a knockon Munster and Nationaly for the game of hurling as a whole?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12023 - 03/06/2019 12:18:46 2190138 Link 0 |
Last yrs munster championship was incredible great games etc this yrs has been poor so far but hopefully the next few games will be good. someday (Limerick) - Posts: 1104 - 03/06/2019 12:48:07 2190150 Link 0 |
There have been great games in Munster down the years but they tend to get hyped up beyond belief in the media and by Munster hurling fanboys while the four and one sided games are consigned to memory. Just 3 years ago the Munster final was Tipp 5-19 Waterford 0-16 for example. In 2011 it was Tipp 7-19 Wat. 0-19 In 1993 Tipp 3-27 Clare 2-12. I can think of many more. Barnowl94 (Galway) - Posts: 3150 - 03/06/2019 15:53:26 2190216 Link 0 |
Correct. Gleeson's attitude was terrible yesterday and poor enough in the Tipp game too. Great players don't disappear the way he did. Good point about Mullane, fought to the bitter end anytime he took the field. Barnowl94 (Galway) - Posts: 3150 - 03/06/2019 15:57:22 2190219 Link 0 |
Surely there is something wrong in the Waterford camp, is it the management? the "style" of hurling they expected to play, what is it? Because great players do not become average in the space of a year something fundamental is wrong and it shows. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 03/06/2019 16:42:39 2190231 Link 0 |
Dour and one sided .
Barnowl94 (Galway) - Posts: 3150 - 03/06/2019 17:22:59 2190250 Link 0 |
Maybe lack of management, Waterford looked absolutely rudderless. No heart or passion that youd normally associate with Waterford hurling. In the last 25 years all the main hurling counties have won Liam mc carthy apart from Waterford. Looks like their going nowhere under this regime. Pityful stuff. Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1913 - 03/06/2019 18:17:53 2190266 Link 0 |
...Christ get over yourself and the chip on your shoulder....ye had a free run to an all Ireland semi final for most years and could do damn all with it on most occasion.......now you are on talking nonsense about Munster championship.....there have always been poor games in Munster, 1982 and 1983 finals are real examples but then 1984 was a pure classic that's the way of it I don't hear anyone on this forum from Tipp, Cork etc saying the Munster championship is always brilliant but 7 out of ten times it is......some of the chip on the shoulder stuff on here from Galway and Wexford folk in particular is getting boring......
PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 03/06/2019 18:35:41 2190270 Link 1 |
Look Waterford were disgraceful yesterday. no excuses. As someone said most of this team were in the All-Ireland final in 2017. Multiple all-stars on board. Saying the same about Tipp this time last year. I have no doubt totally mis -managed. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2665 - 03/06/2019 18:42:55 2190273 Link 0 |
I was at the match yesterday. 10 mins in I really thought we had a game on our hands. skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1065 - 03/06/2019 18:59:53 2190278 Link 0 |
My knowledge of the inner workings of Waterford GAA is minimal but it seems that something is wrong in the county board. Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 03/06/2019 20:01:17 2190299 Link 0 |
I'm very surprised to read that. Judging by your posts I would have thought it was closer to 2008!!!
Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 944 - 03/06/2019 20:11:50 2190306 Link 0 |
The thing is I dont think Waterford need a grassroots up rebuilding job. They have won Munster and All Irelands underage in the recent past and have as talented a squad of hurlers as any other top county. The problem last year was too many injuries. From the outside looking at the performances this year you would have to look to the management. The players havent become bad overnight and it is the management's job to keep them motivated and get the best out of them.....
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12023 - 03/06/2019 20:32:48 2190311 Link 0 |
Very much agree with this. Not sure about us as joint favs at campaign start given mgt have kept same o same o to a large degree. But the biggest disappointment has being the Deise. Great hurling people with wonderful hurlers currently. Performance the polar opposite.
kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1947 - 03/06/2019 20:41:27 2190315 Link 0 |
No, they probably don't. I agree. they do need a serious look at themselves though. Maybe I wandered off topic in my other post, but it was the 'dread', for want of a better word in the crowd that struck me. It was palpable how little faith their own people had in them. That's the thing, is it coaching management, psychology etc, self belief? The context I was coming from was we contested an AI in 2007,had a decent team with u21 winners in it that went into free fall after, culminating in the terrible hammering in 09.. So we went from All ireland finalists to getting whipped in 2years. Much like waterford now... Maybe it's a false comparison, I hope so, they've some fine hurlers but something seriously out of sync at the core of their setup. skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1065 - 03/06/2019 21:36:50 2190335 Link 0 |