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Replying To gilly1910:  "Hard to argue with those rankings, Tipp have most definitely been the form team in this year's championship, and while the jury may be still out, they have been highly impressive in their three games to date. Limerick are champions and after getting brought back down to earth by Cork, they are looking very impressive yet again, whilst Cork can beat anyone on a given day. Outside of that Galway have played one decent game all year, and Saturday might give us a better indication as to where Galway are in 2019. Outside of that, it's hard to see Kilkenny, Wexford or Dublin going all the way, with a semi final spot probably the best any of those sides could hope for."
Tipp in 2016 and 2001 and Cork in 2005 the only Munster champions to manage it in the whole of this Millenium......

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 794 - 13/06/2019 21:43:38    2194606

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Replying To Viking66:  "Tipp in 2016 and 2001 and Cork in 2005 the only Munster champions to manage it in the whole of this Millenium......"
Apart from Kilkenny no real Leinster county has even appeared in an All Ireland Senior Final. or won a minor or under 21 final, in this millenium.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 2285 - 13/06/2019 23:22:27    2194656

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Replying To gilly1910:  "Hard to argue with those rankings, Tipp have most definitely been the form team in this year's championship, and while the jury may be still out, they have been highly impressive in their three games to date. Limerick are champions and after getting brought back down to earth by Cork, they are looking very impressive yet again, whilst Cork can beat anyone on a given day. Outside of that Galway have played one decent game all year, and Saturday might give us a better indication as to where Galway are in 2019. Outside of that, it's hard to see Kilkenny, Wexford or Dublin going all the way, with a semi final spot probably the best any of those sides could hope for."
Rankings at this time of year mean sweet F all!
Come back to us with rankings after the All Ireland final.

Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 13/06/2019 23:48:32    2194666

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "What a load of..

Tipp and Limerick are being made look better than they are because Waterford and Clare have been so poor.

But sure you might aswell jump around like the Duracell bunny in early June as come August or September you mightn't get a chance."
Do you think Limerick and Tipp would struggle to beat Carlow like Galway did? Tipp Lim and Cork are the top 3 teams in the country followed by Galway and kilkenny.

blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 950 - 14/06/2019 03:21:27    2194683

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Replying To Miami305:  "top 3 teams based upon what?
Limerick yes, current AI and league champions. Please explain the other 2? Cork were well beaten by Tipp. Tipp are looking good after a "year off" and have beaten 2 bad teams in Waterford and Clare."
Admittedly just personal speculation on my own empirical evidence. We'll have to wait and see how the year unfolds to see if it's accurate.

blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 950 - 14/06/2019 03:25:35    2194684

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Apart from Kilkenny no real Leinster county has even appeared in an All Ireland Senior Final. or won a minor or under 21 final, in this millenium."
Unfortunately for us our history in hurling is somewhat like yours. Great teams interspersed with barren spells. We haven't won Leinster in 15 years. Probably our worst spell since the 20s and 30s though the 80s werent great either. I often thought economics had something to do with this. Historically we are 1 of the poorer counties in Ireland and when times are bad in the country we seem to suffer badly from emmigration .

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 794 - 14/06/2019 11:49:39    2194784

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Replying To blackspot91:  "Do you think Limerick and Tipp would struggle to beat Carlow like Galway did? Tipp Lim and Cork are the top 3 teams in the country followed by Galway and kilkenny."
It doesn't matter how much you beat Carlow by in late May.

Tipperary and Limerick may peak too early. It's how you're going in August and September.

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 14/06/2019 11:58:36    2194790

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Replying To PremierGold:  "I think the Leinster boys are confused between excitement and quality.
Take last weekend, Limerick showed awesome quality in all depts. to destroy clare in a game that was over well before half-time.
Gal v KK was a "thriller" because both sides mistakes kept the other in it:
-Both KK goals were awful defending
-Galway again had no one to take the frees with Flynn missing 5
-3 players sent off through ill'discipline
-A bag of wides for both
-Centre-backs hand-passing balls to the opposite forwards for handy points

The previous week Tipp were top drawer beating clare in Ennis, while gal v wexford had another "exciting finish" because neither was good enough to put the other away in a game lacking in any quality.

Also last week Lim v Cla and Gal v KK, which one did RTE see as the minor match to be put on at 2PM and which was the fillet steak for 4PM....they know the pulling power of the munster championship!!"
Exaggerate much? One point scored from a center back ( he didn't play center back) giving a stray handpass.
Flynn missed 4 difficult frees, 3 from outside 70 yards one from the sideline into a tricky wind.
Tipp's game up to now have been glorified challenge games with no intensity.
Clare & Waterford were disgraceful in the way they threw in the towel.
Galway / KK
KK/ Dublin
Dublin / WX the best games so far if the championship and the best is to come this Saturday.

Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 14/06/2019 12:13:18    2194799

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "It doesn't matter how much you beat Carlow by in late May.

Tipperary and Limerick may peak too early. It's how you're going in August and September."
Well you need to be going pretty well now too or you wont make it to August.

blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 950 - 14/06/2019 12:58:35    2194818

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Replying To blackspot91:  "Do you think Limerick and Tipp would struggle to beat Carlow like Galway did? Tipp Lim and Cork are the top 3 teams in the country followed by Galway and kilkenny."
Galway were poor against Carlow without a doubt but they didn't "struggle to beat them"
I was at the game and the result was never in doubt.
Plus that was Carlow's best performance of the championship, they were fresh & highly motivated on the day.They have found the going tougher since but have been competitive.
More so that Waterford or Clare anyway.

Barnowl94 (Galway) - Posts: 3150 - 14/06/2019 14:06:56    2194853

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Replying To blackspot91:  "Well you need to be going pretty well now too or you wont make it to August."
3 Leinster teams will make it to the AI series with 4 competitive.

3 Munster teams will make it to the AI series with 3 competitive bar Clare seriously turn their form around. So it's easier to get out of Munster this year over last it would appear. Who posts the biggest turkey shoot against weaker opposition means nothing. Often the flat track bully comes a cropper when the going gets tough..often they don't either. Very hard to say Limerick, Cork and Tipp will be better than Galway or KK at the business end of the championship.

Personally i think Cork, Limerick, Galway and Kilkenny will be even enough. However even though Tipp are the most impressive team in the country, arguably, at the moment i don't think they'll win the all-ireland. Nothing anti Tipp or anything just see them slipping up in a close game around semi final stage.

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 14/06/2019 14:33:10    2194865

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Guys you maybe underestimating the competition in Munster this year. Cork, Tipp and Limerick are playing at a very high level and Clare and Waterford cant live with it. Iv no doubt Clare and Waterford would still qualify from Leinster this year. No doubt at all.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1167 - 14/06/2019 14:36:44    2194870

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Guys you maybe underestimating the competition in Munster this year. Cork, Tipp and Limerick are playing at a very high level and Clare and Waterford cant live with it. Iv no doubt Clare and Waterford would still qualify from Leinster this year. No doubt at all."
No doubt at all. it's great to be so assured!

So you're saying both Clare and Waterford would qualify out of Leinster. So that's Clare, Waterford for definite with one of Galway, Kilkenny, Dublin and Wexford making it out of the group of death hanging on to the coat tails of this illustrious company.

I'll tell you what..go to your local bookie and see what odds he'd give you on that scenario if there was such a group.

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 14/06/2019 15:07:57    2194885

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Look in many ways I feel sorry for the Leinster fans as it must be hard to look at the majesty of the munster championship.
Last year a county from connaught won the leinster final that was played in munster!!! ....and that folks is the leinster championship
Previuosly they could at least previously claim the standard bearers from KK but thats no longer the case.
Liam Mac rests on the Treaty stone now with Tipp and Cork baying for blood to reclaim it and thats the AI competition this year!! (A possible pub quiz question for the future...when was the munster championship the AI championship...2019!!)
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PremierGold (Tipperary) - Posts: 110 - 14/06/2019 15:09:36    2194888

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Guys you maybe underestimating the competition in Munster this year. Cork, Tipp and Limerick are playing at a very high level and Clare and Waterford cant live with it. Iv no doubt Clare and Waterford would still qualify from Leinster this year. No doubt at all."
Clare and Waterford wouldn't make it out of Connaught, this year.

Dec82 (Clare) - Posts: 181 - 14/06/2019 15:18:05    2194891

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Replying To PremierGold:  "Look in many ways I feel sorry for the Leinster fans as it must be hard to look at the majesty of the munster championship.
Last year a county from connaught won the leinster final that was played in munster!!! ....and that folks is the leinster championship
Previuosly they could at least previously claim the standard bearers from KK but thats no longer the case.
Liam Mac rests on the Treaty stone now with Tipp and Cork baying for blood to reclaim it and thats the AI competition this year!! (A possible pub quiz question for the future...when was the munster championship the AI championship...2019!!)
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Thurlesblues without a doubt. Very same language, tone..everything. You left with your tail between your legs after the 2011 final for a few years! History will probably repeat itself.

Premier Gold.. sounds like butter, a bit on the soft side ;)

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 14/06/2019 15:52:11    2194905

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Guys you maybe underestimating the competition in Munster this year. Cork, Tipp and Limerick are playing at a very high level and Clare and Waterford cant live with it. Iv no doubt Clare and Waterford would still qualify from Leinster this year. No doubt at all."
Clare and Waterford's performances have been nothing short of awful.

Both Galway and Kilkenny would eat them alive this year. That alone means that both of them wouldn't get out of Leinster.

Both Wexford and Dublin would beat this year's versions of Waterford and Clare imo.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 12724 - 14/06/2019 16:00:16    2194908

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Replying To blackspot91:  "Well you need to be going pretty well now too or you wont make it to August."
Really? Wasn't it this time last year Limerick left
Cusack Park after getting an 11 point trimming?
July/August is when you want to be flying.

Barnowl94 (Galway) - Posts: 3150 - 14/06/2019 16:18:05    2194912

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Replying To PremierGold:  "Look in many ways I feel sorry for the Leinster fans as it must be hard to look at the majesty of the munster championship.
Last year a county from connaught won the leinster final that was played in munster!!! ....and that folks is the leinster championship
Previuosly they could at least previously claim the standard bearers from KK but thats no longer the case.
Liam Mac rests on the Treaty stone now with Tipp and Cork baying for blood to reclaim it and thats the AI competition this year!! (A possible pub quiz question for the future...when was the munster championship the AI championship...2019!!)
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That already is a pub quiz question. The answer is 1997.

Dec82 (Clare) - Posts: 181 - 14/06/2019 16:22:50    2194916

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Apart from Kilkenny no real Leinster county has even appeared in an All Ireland Senior Final. or won a minor or under 21 final, in this millenium."
Don't give us that rubbish. Galway pushed to a replay by KK last year in Leinster final and Galway within a whisker of beating Limerick after hurling for all of 12 minutes! On another point I can't get over the short memories here on this site. In the 70's,80's
and 90's Leinster finals attracted 50-60k spectators and were hard fought games between kk,Wex and Off, with very little between them.Contrast in the 70's and 80's in munster when cork dished out the mother of all hidings in finals to teams in front of 20-30k spectators.I rem been at 2 munster finals in the 80s with the grounds half empty. The munster championship has definitely been more evenly balanced in the last 10-15 years, but you can't argue with the facts that this year is poor viewing on majority of their games. Leinster on other hand has been better this year, Galway are our yardstick and none of us are that far behind them. Hurling needs all the counties competitive to survive in the coming years

bottletopbill (Wexford) - Posts: 29 - 14/06/2019 18:04:29    2194963

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