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Donegal Vs Tyrone

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Replying To seanie_boy:  "Also there is no relevance to northern politics although many of you in the Republic of Shame would need to take the plank out of your own eyes when it comes to politics as your system there is rotten to the core.
Also,nowhere in my post did I suggest that the blame for what happened lay anywhere but firmly with Tiernan Mc Cann himself so you can take that back,and I also didn't suggest that there was any need to look at the context in trying to understand why he did it. It was wrong and that's all that I need to say about it. And as I said originally if he is sanctioned now for it he has only himself to blame."
Agreed, not sure what on earth northern politics has to do with anything. The poster is from Cavan too which is in the north; Ulster, the last time I checked which was yesterday when I was at the game.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 09/06/2019 16:13:18    2192202

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Replying To MadgeKing:  "Straight from the playbook of Northern politics..

'This was bad but not unprecendented' 'there is blame on all sides' 'we need to look at the context'
Blah blah blah.
This guy has form. He is admired for his antics by his support base. Not by anyone who loves the sport however.
I hope the GAA throw the book at him."
Northern politics ?
What's that ? Do shag all and still have a job.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 09/06/2019 16:43:41    2192218

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Coming into this game I had thought Tyrone would win this game as Donegal looked vulnerable at the back. However Donegal really took the game to Tyrone as was evidenced by picking a very attack minded team. We played some great stuff in the first half and Tyrone looked a yard off the pace. Id say Declan Bonner wont be happy with the second half, we really should have put the game away earlier. Hopefully this is the result this Donegal team needed to get them to the next level.

Bad day at the office for Tyrone but I still think they will make the Super 8s. They dont looked comfortable playing the more direct style so am guessing they will go back to the tried and trusted game plan for the qualifiers.

As for Tiernan McCann, it was a moment of madness. He was having a bad game and frustration got the better of him. Thought the stamp was worse than trying to take McMenamins gum shield out. However the incident needs to be taken on its own merits, no point referencing something he did years ago. He is a terrific player and have seen him in action many times and never remember him doing anything out of the ordinary like that.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1874 - 09/06/2019 16:58:07    2192224

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Replying To Green_Gold:  "Coming into this game I had thought Tyrone would win this game as Donegal looked vulnerable at the back. However Donegal really took the game to Tyrone as was evidenced by picking a very attack minded team. We played some great stuff in the first half and Tyrone looked a yard off the pace. Id say Declan Bonner wont be happy with the second half, we really should have put the game away earlier. Hopefully this is the result this Donegal team needed to get them to the next level.

Bad day at the office for Tyrone but I still think they will make the Super 8s. They dont looked comfortable playing the more direct style so am guessing they will go back to the tried and trusted game plan for the qualifiers.

As for Tiernan McCann, it was a moment of madness. He was having a bad game and frustration got the better of him. Thought the stamp was worse than trying to take McMenamins gum shield out. However the incident needs to be taken on its own merits, no point referencing something he did years ago. He is a terrific player and have seen him in action many times and never remember him doing anything out of the ordinary like that."
I agree regarding McCann it was a moment of madness from a terrific player usually. He will get his punishment but looking at him going off the field yesterday he will be injured anyways and will be a huge loss. I could not believe my ears when I heard Cassidy did not start. Plus there is no doubt with the departures the Tyrone bench was nowhere near the quality of last year.

panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2782 - 09/06/2019 17:32:13    2192244

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Replying To Green_Gold:  "Coming into this game I had thought Tyrone would win this game as Donegal looked vulnerable at the back. However Donegal really took the game to Tyrone as was evidenced by picking a very attack minded team. We played some great stuff in the first half and Tyrone looked a yard off the pace. Id say Declan Bonner wont be happy with the second half, we really should have put the game away earlier. Hopefully this is the result this Donegal team needed to get them to the next level.

Bad day at the office for Tyrone but I still think they will make the Super 8s. They dont looked comfortable playing the more direct style so am guessing they will go back to the tried and trusted game plan for the qualifiers.

As for Tiernan McCann, it was a moment of madness. He was having a bad game and frustration got the better of him. Thought the stamp was worse than trying to take McMenamins gum shield out. However the incident needs to be taken on its own merits, no point referencing something he did years ago. He is a terrific player and have seen him in action many times and never remember him doing anything out of the ordinary like that."
I agree it's important for the GAA to protect all players from a media backlash. GAA players are amateur and it was a moment of madness. As a county though these things seem to follow Tyrone around since their breakthrough in 2003. You would have to question why.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 09/06/2019 17:50:49    2192251

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Replying To sam1884:  "I agree it's important for the GAA to protect all players from a media backlash. GAA players are amateur and it was a moment of madness. As a county though these things seem to follow Tyrone around since their breakthrough in 2003. You would have to question why."
What I would question is why when a Tyrone player does something terrible that it gets massive coverage but you can take the same incident from any other team and it gets glossed over.

Tyrone are no saints but I honestly don't.think they are any worse than any other team. Massive overreaction going on. I didn't see this much attention when McMahon nearly blinded the star a few years ago with an eye gouge. Tieran wasn't an eye gouge and by all means the donegal.player should have bit the fingers of him.

kevin03 (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 09/06/2019 18:31:17    2192284

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Replying To HandballRef:  "McGeary was very good for Tyrone yesterday in fairness. Very rarely does he have a poor game. As impressive as we were yesterday, Tyrone are no where near as poor as they were either. They were woeful yesterday.

Apart from being way off the pace, I just think Mickey Harte made some strange calls as well in terms of personnel. Where was Conor Meyler yesterday, was he injured? Thought he was a big loss as he usually picks up Ryan McHugh and does well on him. I was delighted to hear Cassidy wasnt starting either. Strange call to drop him. Rafferty was anonymous. And I dont know why Harte persists with Ben McDonnell. To me he is not good enough to warrant a starting spot. Colm Cavanagh looks really off the pace this year too.

And I really was rubbing my hands when I seen Aidan McCroary coming on when we were 6 points up!! Kyle Coney would have been worth throwing on at that stage for Tyrone. I think Tyrone will rue all 3 of Mark Bradley, Lee Brennan and Ronan O Neill leaving the panel this year. They lack depth inside. He seems to have pinned all his hopes this year on playing McShane Donnelly and Harte in there, when really it should just he another string to your bow. Lee Brennan destroyed us in the second half last year in Ballybofey. No sign of Loughran or McClure this year either."
You know your stuff bud. In depth knowledge their of an opposing team. Well done. Most of Tyrone get Gaul stone pain when A.McCory comes on . Also Cassidy not starting is the strangest decision I've ever seen from Harte. He is super player. The poor performance sits solely with Harte . The space Donegal had when they attacked , the lack of pressure on Donegal kick outs and the fact that Donegal packed out their defense meant that horsing the ball into mcshane was pointless . Mickey though just stands there and makes no changes, the man can't react to changing dynamics during a game . Time to go , hoping they get put out in back door just do Harte will move on. I'd take a hit for the greater good.

Game2Halves (Tyrone) - Posts: 265 - 09/06/2019 19:13:46    2192320

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Replying To kevin03:  "What I would question is why when a Tyrone player does something terrible that it gets massive coverage but you can take the same incident from any other team and it gets glossed over.

Tyrone are no saints but I honestly don't.think they are any worse than any other team. Massive overreaction going on. I didn't see this much attention when McMahon nearly blinded the star a few years ago with an eye gouge. Tieran wasn't an eye gouge and by all means the donegal.player should have bit the fingers of him."
Dublin media kings got bad press when they had an incident a few years ago. Tyrone appear to get very defensive when these things happen, questioning why they get "bad press". Maybe Tyrone need to question this outrage and look at the amount of incidents that appear to involve their teams. Something isn't right in my opinion. I think the GAA will finally step in after this latest incident.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 09/06/2019 19:18:27    2192325

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Replying To sam1884:  "Dublin media kings got bad press when they had an incident a few years ago. Tyrone appear to get very defensive when these things happen, questioning why they get "bad press". Maybe Tyrone need to question this outrage and look at the amount of incidents that appear to involve their teams. Something isn't right in my opinion. I think the GAA will finally step in after this latest incident."
I am certainly not defending him but I don't remember any year long bans being called for McMahon. Or a ban being called for Lee when he threw the gps device. The issue I have is when Tyrone does this there seems to be an uproar across the country.

Would have no problems with McCann being punished but consistency in the public uproar would be nice.

kevin03 (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 09/06/2019 21:28:59    2192431

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There doesn't need to be any more media comment on the Mc cann incident it should be treated as an individual incident and let croke park deal with it. I don't believe McCann should suffer trial by media. The pictures will speak for themselves. Was at the game supporting my native Donegal and thought Bonner got his match ups and tactics spot on. A combination of us being good and Tyrone having an off day. I think that Tyrone can regroup in the back door but I believe they are missing impact players like Lee Brennan and Ronan O Neill. I was happy not to see sludden starting even though he isn't at his best this year. Watched Saturday game today and can someone in rte please remove O'Rourke who embarrassed himself again pre match questioning Murphy's​ greatness and I don't recall him being as vocal when Martin o connell walked on canavans head in 96 as he was in commenting on the McCann/ mcMenamin incident.

totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 916 - 09/06/2019 21:34:57    2192437

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Replying To kevin03:  "I am certainly not defending him but I don't remember any year long bans being called for McMahon. Or a ban being called for Lee when he threw the gps device. The issue I have is when Tyrone does this there seems to be an uproar across the country.

Would have no problems with McCann being punished but consistency in the public uproar would be nice."
I wouldn't call for any ban of an individual player, they're amateur and whilst mistakes are made we need to protect individuals from a media backlash. My point is as a county there appears to be something wrong in Tyrone, I don't watch their club football or coaching sessions through the ranks but from an outsider something doesn't seem right with how Tyrone as a whole do things. People react to incidents happening from the same county time and time again.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 09/06/2019 22:10:54    2192458

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Problem with GAA is if you have a bad day at the office, a stupid mistake, a missed opportunity, a missed penalty or a moment of shear madness you won't be fined a few thousand like in soccer But you have to get out of bed the next morning and go to your work.. At the end of the day they're all volunteers and ordinary human beings who do this voluntary. Losing a match is nothing compared with losing a life. Sometimes supporters need to get a reality grip.

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 894 - 09/06/2019 22:17:54    2192463

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Donegal 3rd favs possibly 2nd

BeJasus (UK) - Posts: 383 - 09/06/2019 22:38:49    2192483

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Re McCann, I agree he probably has a decent argument based on precedent. Philly McMahons was way worse and he got a 1 game ban. Based on that I'm not sure how McCann could get more. Though that's more to do with how inept the GAA are when it comes to disciplinary matters.

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1422 - 10/06/2019 00:27:02    2192537

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Replying To MadgeKing:  "Straight from the playbook of Northern politics..

'This was bad but not unprecendented' 'there is blame on all sides' 'we need to look at the context'
Blah blah blah.
This guy has form. He is admired for his antics by his support base. Not by anyone who loves the sport however.
I hope the GAA throw the book at him."
Madge not sure what the politics has to do with it but with 3000 children homeless in the 26 counties each night then I think there are more than enough real issues to be concerning people with than throwing petty digs here...so much for cherishing all children of island equally.

As for the Mc Cann incident, it should be left to the CCCC to deal with now and not a trial by media....without doubt it was wrong but these players are amateurs and have family/friends reading these media forums so people should watch their use of emotive terms like tramp etc .....lad was in the wrong should be punished but using one action to brand someone's whole character is wrong , prime example is some of the commentary made about Philly Mc Mahon previously yet now through the documentary etc people hav come to know the real Philly a lot have changed their tune......not saying Mc Cann is the same but how many people on here really know the lad to comment on his overall character

PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 10/06/2019 08:14:42    2192572

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We had a great day at the office,and we didn't play to our full potential either and I thought we won the game at our ease which was surprising,Tyrone seemed a bit clueless, hard to know why,but they will be back on track soon,I expect to see them in the super 8's,
Great Ulster final to look forward to now,Cavan won't be easy to beat, they have their tails up and have a very good team, should be a cracker,I expect Donegal to shade it by a few points if we play well.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2748 - 10/06/2019 11:32:48    2192737

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Good win. Great confidence builder and should stand to us for the future.

Are we as good as media are portraying? Probably not.

Are Tyrone as bad as the media are portraying? No

Tiernan McCann had a rush of blood to the head, acted foolishly and will be punished. All this moral high ground bulls@#t annoys me.

Brolly has some nerve and treats M. Harte with pure contempt. The way in which he insights hatred has no place within our Gaa.

RTE after how they treated the Harte family should hang their heads in shame.

DLlegends (Donegal) - Posts: 503 - 10/06/2019 11:46:57    2192750

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Replying To DLlegends:  "Good win. Great confidence builder and should stand to us for the future.

Are we as good as media are portraying? Probably not.

Are Tyrone as bad as the media are portraying? No

Tiernan McCann had a rush of blood to the head, acted foolishly and will be punished. All this moral high ground bulls@#t annoys me.

Brolly has some nerve and treats M. Harte with pure contempt. The way in which he insights hatred has no place within our Gaa.

RTE after how they treated the Harte family should hang their heads in shame."
I wouldn't worry too much about Brolly. He is basically a parody of himself now. He only backs a winner and his attitude changes with the wind.

Believe you me. If we ended up in the All Ireland final he will be back on eulogising us again.

I would agree with Tomas O'Se in that I hope that we stick to our new system regardless of this result. Kieran Whelan was quick to dismiss it and said we should revert to type on the Sunday game.

We just cannot let that happen. That would be a bigger tragedy than missing out on a place in the super 8's for one year.

We are on the right track and if we stick at it and refine it further we can be a dangerous team but also a team that plays a brand of football to excite our fans and motivate our young players of the future.

Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 10/06/2019 12:14:32    2192782

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Replying To Wally:  "I wouldn't worry too much about Brolly. He is basically a parody of himself now. He only backs a winner and his attitude changes with the wind.

Believe you me. If we ended up in the All Ireland final he will be back on eulogising us again.

I would agree with Tomas O'Se in that I hope that we stick to our new system regardless of this result. Kieran Whelan was quick to dismiss it and said we should revert to type on the Sunday game.

We just cannot let that happen. That would be a bigger tragedy than missing out on a place in the super 8's for one year.

We are on the right track and if we stick at it and refine it further we can be a dangerous team but also a team that plays a brand of football to excite our fans and motivate our young players of the future."
Do you think not having Lee Brennan, O'Neill or Bradley as part of a more expansive game cost you?

Apart from a few blockbusting runs (which is a worry for our defence) the lack of mobility/chaos created by your forward line made it easy for us to contain threats after the first 10 minutes (and last 5) or so.

Al_Maguire (Donegal) - Posts: 244 - 10/06/2019 12:36:06    2192799

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A great performance from Donegal must put them right up there as challengers to Dublin. Tyrone can bounce back in the back door but to what purpose remains to be seen. Qualifying for Super 8's maybe as good as it gets. Can not condone McCann he will deserve all he gets.

Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1780 - 10/06/2019 12:46:07    2192808

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