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Last year they targeted diarmuid connolly from the start. they got away with murder in front of the referee and then when connolly reacts.....well we all know the rest. connolly has never been 100% innocent over the years but with this stuff in the game going on i can't blame him walking away. nowadays it depends what ground you are in with cameras etc. what croke park will show up would go under the radar in other grounds which doesn't help when trying to keep suspensions etc consistent.
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I can't comment on whether the suspensions were merited or not.
What I will say is this : Poacher's behaviour in the championship game v Kildare last year was an eye opener for me : I have never seen a member of a management team behave so disgracefully for an entire game from start to finish. So there will be no sympathy from me that's for sure.
KildareKelly (Kildare) - Posts: 593 - 27/05/2019 09:11:06
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Replying To superdub: "Last year they targeted diarmuid connolly from the start. they got away with murder in front of the referee and then when connolly reacts.....well we all know the rest. connolly has never been 100% innocent over the years but with this stuff in the game going on i can't blame him walking away. nowadays it depends what ground you are in with cameras etc. what croke park will show up would go under the radar in other grounds which doesn't help when trying to keep suspensions etc consistent." Its all about him and not the team, if you hear the interview its about him and how he was treated, Carlow looked unfit Saturday night, unmotivated, unorganised and flat, id say they are fed up playing that way and are zoning out of his tripe. The coach should never get that kind of airtime over the manager crazy stuff.
Chubby (Louth) - Posts: 102 - 27/05/2019 09:14:36
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Replying To superdub: "Last year they targeted diarmuid connolly from the start. they got away with murder in front of the referee and then when connolly reacts.....well we all know the rest. connolly has never been 100% innocent over the years but with this stuff in the game going on i can't blame him walking away. nowadays it depends what ground you are in with cameras etc. what croke park will show up would go under the radar in other grounds which doesn't help when trying to keep suspensions etc consistent." Its now Stephen poachers fault that Connolly pushed the linesman and walked
away from football ?
Anything else his fault ?
Climate change ?
Brexit ?
carlovia (None) - Posts: 1517 - 27/05/2019 09:33:11
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Replying To Royalio11: "Whilst I initially had sympathy for the Carlow bans which I felt were fairly excessive (without knowing the full facts); having witnessed yesterday first hand how Carlow 'play' with late hits, high tackles, drag downs and punching players in front of officials - I can say that the thuggish behaviour is what led to the bans and there is nowhere for it in the game.
Too many players out there yesterday looking to have a scrap then play football. Hard to have any level of sympathy on yesterday's showing.
The victimising comments from the suspended coach are cringeworthy" Choo Choo got his commpuance
summerof09 (Meath) - Posts: 315 - 27/05/2019 10:03:16
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Replying To carlovia: "Its now Stephen poachers fault that Connolly pushed the linesman and walked
away from football ?
Anything else his fault ?
Climate change ?
Brexit ?" Complete nonsense.
Everyone knows that was all Tyrone footballs fault.
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Replying To Royalio11: " Replying To supersub15: "Exaggerations and little porkies is not new reading for me, provocative sly hits like the one dished out to Sean Murphy didn't help us, admittedly there was no trade mark elbows flying, you are right though when you say the bans dished out to Carlow were severe.
We all make mistakes, so please allow me to correct one or two of yours as in the last line of your post,
"The critizing comments from the suspended coach are praiseworthy". I know that's what you meant so I put it right for you, and it reads a lot better. Have a good day.
PS I have a gut feeling we will meet again in the qualifiers." What a load of spout. "Provocative sly hits"? Murphy was his own worse enemy. He was pathetic as it took him 3 attempts to land a slap in Keoghan. An embarrassment to the sport of football and even boxing. End of his summer too but he probably wanted an end to his season as playing for hammerings cant be easy. Take your medicine on this one. 15 points defeat flattered Carlow. They are classless; play a negative brand of defensive muck football and are not winning any fans. I used to support the likes of Carlow. Give the sucker a chance. Root for the no-hoper. But I'll relish watching them get stuffed year in year out until they learn their lesson. You have a gut feeling we will meet again? Shows how much you know. Teams who previously played in provincials cannot get drawn against each other in qualifiers. Anyway after the thumping your boys took I'd say playing Meath is the last thing that team wants. Pain of Championship 2019 will be over for Carlow soon. Carlow unrising but still moaning."
The key words in some posts are the "cringing & whinging" that was coming from the Carlow camp, sit back for a minute and digest some of your own posts, they are saturated with "cringing's" and "whinges", best foot forward and practice what you preach, and all that.
In the meantime cool the jet's, I quiet like the company of WUM's and I'm sure your reasonable company, however I just wouldn't like to meet you when you're really angry.
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Replying To carlovia: "Its now Stephen poachers fault that Connolly pushed the linesman and walked
away from football ?
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Climate change ?
Brexit ?" To be honest, I can see where some of these posts are coming from.
I had never been to a Carlow game until 2017. It was eye opening and I saw a team take the field that would have been as comfortable in Clones, Omagh, Ballybofey, etc. They were hard hitters and as cynical and all that goes with it as I have seen. Yet this is never spoken about in the same way as if it were an Ulster team, Galway or even the Dubs.
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Replying To extranjero: "Complete nonsense.
Everyone knows that was all Tyrone footballs fault." Exactly.
Cant we just stick to that.
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Replying To supersub15: " Replying To dubarra: "[quote=supersub15: "Exaggerations and little porkies is not new reading for me, provocative sly hits like the one dished out to Sean Murphy didn't help us, admittedly there was no trade mark elbows flying, you are right though when you say the bans dished out to Carlow were severe.
We all make mistakes, so please allow me to correct one or two of yours as in the last line of your post,
"The critizing comments from the suspended coach are praiseworthy". I know that's what you meant so I put it right for you, and it reads a lot better. Have a good day.
PS I have a gut feeling we will meet again in the qualifiers." After yesterday I'd be careful what you wish for."
dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 541 - 27/05/2019 10:58:17
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Replying To Onion Breath: " Replying To dubarra: "[quote=supersub15: "Exaggerations and little porkies is not new reading for me, provocative sly hits like the one dished out to Sean Murphy didn't help us, admittedly there was no trade mark elbows flying, you are right though when you say the bans dished out to Carlow were severe.
We all make mistakes, so please allow me to correct one or two of yours as in the last line of your post,
"The critizing comments from the suspended coach are praiseworthy". I know that's what you meant so I put it right for you, and it reads a lot better. Have a good day.
PS I have a gut feeling we will meet again in the qualifiers." After yesterday I'd be careful what you wish for."
With so many now missing, ye'r about the only team we can be sure of beating."]You shouldn't be to sure of anything the after that performance. Not the players fault it's the stupid so called system their been forced to play.
dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 541 - 27/05/2019 11:07:47
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As a Carlow man I am embarrassed by what has been happening in Carlow football and by S Poacher in particular.
The statements he has recently made have not helped Carlow in any way. I have to agree with posters who state that it is about S Poacher. It definitely is not about Carlow football. His statements are cringeworthy and are that of a moaner.
Stephen Poacher has been the 'coach' of the team for the past few years and lets be honest- the system he has persuaded the players to adopt has been good enough to get the team out of Div 4 but not good enough to sustain a spot in Div3. iN fact his incursions onto the pitch has not helped either with his display v Kildare last year in Tullamore really aggravating Kildare supporters.
Quite a few posters from Carlow will totally disagree with me and point to wins over Louth and Kildare last year in the championship but lets be honest - Kildare in particular took Carlow for granted. When we had a chance to get to a Leinster final albeit v the Dubs - we did not raise a canter and never posed a threat to Laois who easily defeated us and had the measure of us from the start and our management had no other answer except the same staple diet of defence and more defence. No effort was really put into winning the game. That may sound harsh but if one takes off the Carlow glasses - then the reality shines through - we were easily beaten with a system that is not really about winning at all.
A huge problem is that the players have totally bought into the system and they do not listen at all to anyone who criticises the system. They are almost slaves to the system.
To allude to another county having an agenda to embarrass S Poacher is a joke. It is nonsensical. His statements about the rules and the amount of attention his and the managers suspensions have gotten are laughable. And to believe for a second that Carlow 'ruffled' feathers last year.... come on - a farcial set of statements.
Between the manager and S Poacher we have our 2 main men suspended for a total for 32 weeks. Not fair they may say, but anyone who was present at the infamous game v Down I believe will see it differently.
Carlow people may attempt to slag Meath and Wicklow and attempt to delve into history to justify their view but they must have a look at home first.
I find it hard to understand why they are still in the management positions. I may be slaughtered for the above comment but to be honest - that is as I see it. I have spoken to many on the matter and very few actually retain respect for the current management.
People in positions of responsibility in Carlow have been slow also to exercise their authority and that is also a problem.
carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1821 - 28/05/2019 21:29:49
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Replying To carlowman: "As a Carlow man I am embarrassed by what has been happening in Carlow football and by S Poacher in particular.
The statements he has recently made have not helped Carlow in any way. I have to agree with posters who state that it is about S Poacher. It definitely is not about Carlow football. His statements are cringeworthy and are that of a moaner.
Stephen Poacher has been the 'coach' of the team for the past few years and lets be honest- the system he has persuaded the players to adopt has been good enough to get the team out of Div 4 but not good enough to sustain a spot in Div3. iN fact his incursions onto the pitch has not helped either with his display v Kildare last year in Tullamore really aggravating Kildare supporters.
Quite a few posters from Carlow will totally disagree with me and point to wins over Louth and Kildare last year in the championship but lets be honest - Kildare in particular took Carlow for granted. When we had a chance to get to a Leinster final albeit v the Dubs - we did not raise a canter and never posed a threat to Laois who easily defeated us and had the measure of us from the start and our management had no other answer except the same staple diet of defence and more defence. No effort was really put into winning the game. That may sound harsh but if one takes off the Carlow glasses - then the reality shines through - we were easily beaten with a system that is not really about winning at all.
A huge problem is that the players have totally bought into the system and they do not listen at all to anyone who criticises the system. They are almost slaves to the system.
To allude to another county having an agenda to embarrass S Poacher is a joke. It is nonsensical. His statements about the rules and the amount of attention his and the managers suspensions have gotten are laughable. And to believe for a second that Carlow 'ruffled' feathers last year.... come on - a farcial set of statements.
Between the manager and S Poacher we have our 2 main men suspended for a total for 32 weeks. Not fair they may say, but anyone who was present at the infamous game v Down I believe will see it differently.
Carlow people may attempt to slag Meath and Wicklow and attempt to delve into history to justify their view but they must have a look at home first.
I find it hard to understand why they are still in the management positions. I may be slaughtered for the above comment but to be honest - that is as I see it. I have spoken to many on the matter and very few actually retain respect for the current management.
People in positions of responsibility in Carlow have been slow also to exercise their authority and that is also a problem." I disagree with all of that. Without boring the rest of the country the current management team are the most successful Carlow have had since the mid 1980s. They've found a system that gets best possible results with the players available and in doing so they've given Carlow fans some great days out in recent years. We have one marquee forward, and he's injury prone and went off last Saturday after 12 minutes, so the notion we should take the shackles off our players and let them take on Division 1 and 2 teams in nice ion game of football is just fanciful.
Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1412 - 28/05/2019 21:53:27
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Replying To carlowman: "As a Carlow man I am embarrassed by what has been happening in Carlow football and by S Poacher in particular.
The statements he has recently made have not helped Carlow in any way. I have to agree with posters who state that it is about S Poacher. It definitely is not about Carlow football. His statements are cringeworthy and are that of a moaner.
Stephen Poacher has been the 'coach' of the team for the past few years and lets be honest- the system he has persuaded the players to adopt has been good enough to get the team out of Div 4 but not good enough to sustain a spot in Div3. iN fact his incursions onto the pitch has not helped either with his display v Kildare last year in Tullamore really aggravating Kildare supporters.
Quite a few posters from Carlow will totally disagree with me and point to wins over Louth and Kildare last year in the championship but lets be honest - Kildare in particular took Carlow for granted. When we had a chance to get to a Leinster final albeit v the Dubs - we did not raise a canter and never posed a threat to Laois who easily defeated us and had the measure of us from the start and our management had no other answer except the same staple diet of defence and more defence. No effort was really put into winning the game. That may sound harsh but if one takes off the Carlow glasses - then the reality shines through - we were easily beaten with a system that is not really about winning at all.
A huge problem is that the players have totally bought into the system and they do not listen at all to anyone who criticises the system. They are almost slaves to the system.
To allude to another county having an agenda to embarrass S Poacher is a joke. It is nonsensical. His statements about the rules and the amount of attention his and the managers suspensions have gotten are laughable. And to believe for a second that Carlow 'ruffled' feathers last year.... come on - a farcial set of statements.
Between the manager and S Poacher we have our 2 main men suspended for a total for 32 weeks. Not fair they may say, but anyone who was present at the infamous game v Down I believe will see it differently.
Carlow people may attempt to slag Meath and Wicklow and attempt to delve into history to justify their view but they must have a look at home first.
I find it hard to understand why they are still in the management positions. I may be slaughtered for the above comment but to be honest - that is as I see it. I have spoken to many on the matter and very few actually retain respect for the current management.
People in positions of responsibility in Carlow have been slow also to exercise their authority and that is also a problem." You are 100% correct. Did you ever hear such dung from that interview.
williesboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 341 - 28/05/2019 21:57:35
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Replying To carlowman: "As a Carlow man I am embarrassed by what has been happening in Carlow football and by S Poacher in particular.
The statements he has recently made have not helped Carlow in any way. I have to agree with posters who state that it is about S Poacher. It definitely is not about Carlow football. His statements are cringeworthy and are that of a moaner.
Stephen Poacher has been the 'coach' of the team for the past few years and lets be honest- the system he has persuaded the players to adopt has been good enough to get the team out of Div 4 but not good enough to sustain a spot in Div3. iN fact his incursions onto the pitch has not helped either with his display v Kildare last year in Tullamore really aggravating Kildare supporters.
Quite a few posters from Carlow will totally disagree with me and point to wins over Louth and Kildare last year in the championship but lets be honest - Kildare in particular took Carlow for granted. When we had a chance to get to a Leinster final albeit v the Dubs - we did not raise a canter and never posed a threat to Laois who easily defeated us and had the measure of us from the start and our management had no other answer except the same staple diet of defence and more defence. No effort was really put into winning the game. That may sound harsh but if one takes off the Carlow glasses - then the reality shines through - we were easily beaten with a system that is not really about winning at all.
A huge problem is that the players have totally bought into the system and they do not listen at all to anyone who criticises the system. They are almost slaves to the system.
To allude to another county having an agenda to embarrass S Poacher is a joke. It is nonsensical. His statements about the rules and the amount of attention his and the managers suspensions have gotten are laughable. And to believe for a second that Carlow 'ruffled' feathers last year.... come on - a farcial set of statements.
Between the manager and S Poacher we have our 2 main men suspended for a total for 32 weeks. Not fair they may say, but anyone who was present at the infamous game v Down I believe will see it differently.
Carlow people may attempt to slag Meath and Wicklow and attempt to delve into history to justify their view but they must have a look at home first.
I find it hard to understand why they are still in the management positions. I may be slaughtered for the above comment but to be honest - that is as I see it. I have spoken to many on the matter and very few actually retain respect for the current management.
People in positions of responsibility in Carlow have been slow also to exercise their authority and that is also a problem." I think most fair minded people would agree everything you have said I know a lot of good gaa people in Carlow and they have said the very same.
dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 541 - 28/05/2019 22:36:57
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Replying To carlowman: "As a Carlow man I am embarrassed by what has been happening in Carlow football and by S Poacher in particular.
The statements he has recently made have not helped Carlow in any way. I have to agree with posters who state that it is about S Poacher. It definitely is not about Carlow football. His statements are cringeworthy and are that of a moaner.
Stephen Poacher has been the 'coach' of the team for the past few years and lets be honest- the system he has persuaded the players to adopt has been good enough to get the team out of Div 4 but not good enough to sustain a spot in Div3. iN fact his incursions onto the pitch has not helped either with his display v Kildare last year in Tullamore really aggravating Kildare supporters.
Quite a few posters from Carlow will totally disagree with me and point to wins over Louth and Kildare last year in the championship but lets be honest - Kildare in particular took Carlow for granted. When we had a chance to get to a Leinster final albeit v the Dubs - we did not raise a canter and never posed a threat to Laois who easily defeated us and had the measure of us from the start and our management had no other answer except the same staple diet of defence and more defence. No effort was really put into winning the game. That may sound harsh but if one takes off the Carlow glasses - then the reality shines through - we were easily beaten with a system that is not really about winning at all.
A huge problem is that the players have totally bought into the system and they do not listen at all to anyone who criticises the system. They are almost slaves to the system.
To allude to another county having an agenda to embarrass S Poacher is a joke. It is nonsensical. His statements about the rules and the amount of attention his and the managers suspensions have gotten are laughable. And to believe for a second that Carlow 'ruffled' feathers last year.... come on - a farcial set of statements.
Between the manager and S Poacher we have our 2 main men suspended for a total for 32 weeks. Not fair they may say, but anyone who was present at the infamous game v Down I believe will see it differently.
Carlow people may attempt to slag Meath and Wicklow and attempt to delve into history to justify their view but they must have a look at home first.
I find it hard to understand why they are still in the management positions. I may be slaughtered for the above comment but to be honest - that is as I see it. I have spoken to many on the matter and very few actually retain respect for the current management.
People in positions of responsibility in Carlow have been slow also to exercise their authority and that is also a problem." We'll said carlowman.when I voiced similar sentiments on Carlow forum there wasn't much support shall we say. Management have carte blanche here on Carlow on the back of a few middlin performances. There is no objectivity when assessing the overall situation. We are back in div4 and have been given a drubbing( never going to hapoen again according to management)by a moderate Meath team. So what the basis of this adulation is is beyond me. They should go now. But what's the betting they won't. Your point about the silence of Carlow GAA is sooo true.
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Replying To carlowman: "As a Carlow man I am embarrassed by what has been happening in Carlow football and by S Poacher in particular.
The statements he has recently made have not helped Carlow in any way. I have to agree with posters who state that it is about S Poacher. It definitely is not about Carlow football. His statements are cringeworthy and are that of a moaner.
Stephen Poacher has been the 'coach' of the team for the past few years and lets be honest- the system he has persuaded the players to adopt has been good enough to get the team out of Div 4 but not good enough to sustain a spot in Div3. iN fact his incursions onto the pitch has not helped either with his display v Kildare last year in Tullamore really aggravating Kildare supporters.
Quite a few posters from Carlow will totally disagree with me and point to wins over Louth and Kildare last year in the championship but lets be honest - Kildare in particular took Carlow for granted. When we had a chance to get to a Leinster final albeit v the Dubs - we did not raise a canter and never posed a threat to Laois who easily defeated us and had the measure of us from the start and our management had no other answer except the same staple diet of defence and more defence. No effort was really put into winning the game. That may sound harsh but if one takes off the Carlow glasses - then the reality shines through - we were easily beaten with a system that is not really about winning at all.
A huge problem is that the players have totally bought into the system and they do not listen at all to anyone who criticises the system. They are almost slaves to the system.
To allude to another county having an agenda to embarrass S Poacher is a joke. It is nonsensical. His statements about the rules and the amount of attention his and the managers suspensions have gotten are laughable. And to believe for a second that Carlow 'ruffled' feathers last year.... come on - a farcial set of statements.
Between the manager and S Poacher we have our 2 main men suspended for a total for 32 weeks. Not fair they may say, but anyone who was present at the infamous game v Down I believe will see it differently.
Carlow people may attempt to slag Meath and Wicklow and attempt to delve into history to justify their view but they must have a look at home first.
I find it hard to understand why they are still in the management positions. I may be slaughtered for the above comment but to be honest - that is as I see it. I have spoken to many on the matter and very few actually retain respect for the current management.
People in positions of responsibility in Carlow have been slow also to exercise their authority and that is also a problem." I just want to correct one statement there, Poacher didn't persuade carlow to play a certain way. they were already playing like that in a qualifier game against cavan in 2016. he came in 2017 tidied up the edges and helped get them promoted. don't try and put a stain on what your county achieved by under stating what they achieved last year, they beat Kildare fair and square, never hit a wide the whole game if i'm correct? they got promoted which is a very very difficult task for a perennial loser, this gives them the impetus to go for promotion next year again!!!
from what i hear Poachers task goes far beyond coaching the senior team, he's involved in underage structures etc. is that right? well he has a good reputation in ulster at it too!! perhaps this will yield a more long term result of producing skilled footballers. best of luck to carlow in the future!!!!
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Replying To theweanling: "I just want to correct one statement there, Poacher didn't persuade carlow to play a certain way. they were already playing like that in a qualifier game against cavan in 2016. he came in 2017 tidied up the edges and helped get them promoted. don't try and put a stain on what your county achieved by under stating what they achieved last year, they beat Kildare fair and square, never hit a wide the whole game if i'm correct? they got promoted which is a very very difficult task for a perennial loser, this gives them the impetus to go for promotion next year again!!!
from what i hear Poachers task goes far beyond coaching the senior team, he's involved in underage structures etc. is that right? well he has a good reputation in ulster at it too!! perhaps this will yield a more long term result of producing skilled footballers. best of luck to carlow in the future!!!!" Totally agree.
Poacher has worked miracles with Carlow. We have gone from bottom 2 in the country
to a team that no-one likes playing.
Promoted to Division 3 for the first time in 30 years. Competed in Div 3 and got relegated
on the last day with 5 points.
Beat Kildare and Louth last year and competed with Tyrone for 25 minutes in qualifiers.
Last Saturday are best player was suspended, our best forward went off injured after 10 minutes,
our best defender went off injured at HT and then our best player on the day got sent off.
Hope he stays with Carlow for another 10 years.
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Miracles is an understatement for what poacher has done. And lets be realistic it has been totally down to him. Turlough was no great shakes before him, but at least he recruited him and gave him the scope to work with the lads. Think back to pre poacher era. We werent even on the radar. Nobody could mention one of our players bar Brendan Murphy. He has put us on the map. When i see the guff here about carlow playing a lovely brand of football before poacher? Are you having a laugh? good gaa people?? what does that even mean? Meath drubbing in DCP 2014. Laois drubbing in 2013 and 2015. Westmeath drubbing in 2013. League after league of poor displays and disorganisation. No style of play, just give it to the one or two good lads and hope for the best. Other counties on here loved playing their 'footballing' neighbours carlow pre poacher. Of course they did as they could knock the sh*t out of us regularly. I for one am glad i got to see a carlow team promoted and have a few great championship days as i fear the worst when Poacher leaves
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When he was appointed I heard an interview from him saying they conceded something like 15 goals and over 100 points in div 4 of the league and they were last. He said it does not matter how much you score, if you are conceding that you aren't going to win any games. He got the best out of his players at his disposal and got that to Div 3, got the fans back, beat Kildare, people were talking about Carlow again etc. People should be very careful what they wish for because it wont be long until they are in the doldrums.
Now in some of his interviews he can come across as a bit arrogant - but we don't know him personally. he could be the nicest fellow in the world. There are many on here who I find arrogant but if I met them personally I might change my mind.
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