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Dublin V Louth - What A Farce

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I was in Portlaoise last night and Dublin were a million miles ahead of Louth in every department - something everyone knew would happen when the draw was made last October. Why do the GAA persist with these pointless games between opposition that are worlds apart. Up until yesterday, Louth's biggest defeat of the year was a 2 point loss in the opening round of the league, because we were playing sides at our level. If yesterday had of been a once off then no one would complain, but these 20 points plus defeats are becoming routine for sides facing Dublin in Leinster(Westmeath were beaten by 31 points in '17). If someone suggested starting up the connacht championship again in Hurling, they would be laughed at, such is the superior level Galway are at to the rest, but the Leinster championship is persisted with, despite Dublin being far ahead of the rest. If results like yesterday don't see a change in the championship structure, then I don't know what will.

PK57 (Louth) - Posts: 1656 - 26/05/2019 09:59:51    2187522

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Replying To PK57:  "I was in Portlaoise last night and Dublin were a million miles ahead of Louth in every department - something everyone knew would happen when the draw was made last October. Why do the GAA persist with these pointless games between opposition that are worlds apart. Up until yesterday, Louth's biggest defeat of the year was a 2 point loss in the opening round of the league, because we were playing sides at our level. If yesterday had of been a once off then no one would complain, but these 20 points plus defeats are becoming routine for sides facing Dublin in Leinster(Westmeath were beaten by 31 points in '17). If someone suggested starting up the connacht championship again in Hurling, they would be laughed at, such is the superior level Galway are at to the rest, but the Leinster championship is persisted with, despite Dublin being far ahead of the rest. If results like yesterday don't see a change in the championship structure, then I don't know what will."
Louth were a farce last night though there heads dropped after only about ten minutes, if teams of similar enough standard as louth such as Carlow and laois can put up a decent performance against dublin then why cant louth, can't blame dublin for louths lack of bottle, if dublin were wearing meath jerseys then I think you'll find there be allot more fight in that louth team.

Royal.Legend (Meath) - Posts: 666 - 26/05/2019 10:45:12    2187532

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Replying To Royal.Legend:  "Louth were a farce last night though there heads dropped after only about ten minutes, if teams of similar enough standard as louth such as Carlow and laois can put up a decent performance against dublin then why cant louth, can't blame dublin for louths lack of bottle, if dublin were wearing meath jerseys then I think you'll find there be allot more fight in that louth team."
The game is dead in the rest of Leinster. Kildare or Longford are no better than Louth.

Daith (Kildare) - Posts: 1171 - 26/05/2019 11:23:34    2187545

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Very worrying. Was very hopeful for Kildare after seeing them in the flesh when we played them in the super 8's plus their u20 win. Meath while making progress have a bit to go to get to the teams below the Dubs don't mind the Dubs themselves. The gap between Dublin and the next layer is closing but Leinster still very much a one team show.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1947 - 26/05/2019 11:47:05    2187552

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Replying To Royal.Legend:  "Louth were a farce last night though there heads dropped after only about ten minutes, if teams of similar enough standard as louth such as Carlow and laois can put up a decent performance against dublin then why cant louth, can't blame dublin for louths lack of bottle, if dublin were wearing meath jerseys then I think you'll find there be allot more fight in that louth team."
What a nonsense post, Here are the margins of victory for Dublin in 2018 and 2017 in Leinster. In 18:
Wicklow by 23
Longford by 19
Laois by 18

2017:
Carlow by 12
Westmeath by 31
Kildare by 9

So in the last 2 years, only once has a county even had a single digit loss to Dublin. The Leinster championship is dead. I suppose all the counties mentioned had no fight or bottle in them either.

PK57 (Louth) - Posts: 1656 - 26/05/2019 11:53:00    2187555

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Here is a thought if the GAA invested in leinster counties as they do in Dublin then Leinster would not be dead.

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 26/05/2019 11:53:03    2187556

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That's what millions pumped into a county gets you

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1890 - 26/05/2019 11:56:13    2187560

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Replying To Royal.Legend:  "Louth were a farce last night though there heads dropped after only about ten minutes, if teams of similar enough standard as louth such as Carlow and laois can put up a decent performance against dublin then why cant louth, can't blame dublin for louths lack of bottle, if dublin were wearing meath jerseys then I think you'll find there be allot more fight in that louth team."
It's a very sad state of affairs when an 18 point defeat is deemed a decent performance against Dublin.

If Dublin players were wearing Meath jersey's last night would they have played to a lower level?

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 26/05/2019 12:08:20    2187565

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Replying To valley84:  "That's what millions pumped into a county gets you"
Yeah true we use to never hammer Louth before we got money , great shout.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 26/05/2019 12:09:29    2187566

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Replying To valley84:  "That's what millions pumped into a county gets you"
Those millions spent on getting tens of thousands of kids playing Gaelic games, those millions?

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4236 - 26/05/2019 12:17:40    2187572

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Replying To westkerry:  "Here is a thought if the GAA invested in leinster counties as they do in Dublin then Leinster would not be dead."
Keep telling yourself that's it, just don't do anything about your own failings, just list all the things that Dublin have that others don't! (and you will be surprised same things apply to Dublin clubs). The sheer scale and size of Dublin GAA doesn't hide the fact that Dublin needs investment (it's own) to keep just the games going. But do blame it all on others, makes you feel good and when the Dubs lose "time to stop all the investment" etc etc.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 26/05/2019 12:20:28    2187574

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Yeah true we use to never hammer Louth before we got money , great shout."
Meath, laois,Kildare,Offaly would all give Dublin games in Leinster before this imbalance began. Thats when you had full attendances for Leinster finals clon and i bet you miss those days.

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 26/05/2019 12:25:49    2187576

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I have a lot of respect for Louth after yesterday, played with their heads up, always tried to play expansively and were up for a battle.

Not many teams in the country would or could have lived with Dublin yesterday in all honesty, we played some really really good stuff, the best ive seen in a while, with many reasons to be hopeful ingrained in the personal on show and young players.

I watched the Carlow Vs Meath game, before i think Louth would have had a strong chance of beating Meath. It was like that game was played in slow motion compared to the Louth, Dublin game.

Dublin are miles ahead of Leinster without a doubt, but im not so sure after yesterday there isnt a significant gap to everyone else and most in the country after watching us yesterday as well, i would have had a different opinion after the league, but yesterday we were very, very, very good.

I would be on record as saying Leinster and Munster arent fit for purpose.

Ive a growing belief of a fifth province of Dublin, Meath, Kildare, Cork, Kerry and maybe one or two other may be the way to go to support the provincal structure if many would like to say the provinces remain.

Not sure this debate in Leinster exists in isolation to the rest of football, we've gone 29 games unbeaten in championship after yesterday and we are touching on 4 and half years since our last defeat in the championship.

Louth i think will represent themselves well in the qualifiers.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 26/05/2019 12:26:56    2187577

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How about that attendance lads?

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 26/05/2019 12:32:48    2187579

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Replying To valley84:  "That's what millions pumped into a county gets you"
Hahaha Dublin have virtually always been comfortably better than Louth. Joys of being most populous county against one of the smallest..

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3511 - 26/05/2019 12:37:13    2187583

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Yeah true we use to never hammer Louth before we got money , great shout."
Nice way to go round the issue, no one is talking about a one off game(or one county) or at least I wasn't in my original post. Since Westmeath won Leinster in '04, Dublin have won every championship(bar 2010). The average aggregate of defeat has gone up year on year. Since 2013, Dublin have only twice won a game by less than 10 points in Leinster. If it was only Louth you were hammering, there wouldn't be a word said, but when every game goes the same way, it becomes farcical. These are the financial figures for 2018, for what it's worth.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-reign-supreme-but-where-does-your-county-rank-on-the-2018-gaa-rich-list-36922874.html

PK57 (Louth) - Posts: 1656 - 26/05/2019 12:50:42    2187586

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Replying To arock:  "Keep telling yourself that's it, just don't do anything about your own failings, just list all the things that Dublin have that others don't! (and you will be surprised same things apply to Dublin clubs). The sheer scale and size of Dublin GAA doesn't hide the fact that Dublin needs investment (it's own) to keep just the games going. But do blame it all on others, makes you feel good and when the Dubs lose "time to stop all the investment" etc etc."
You see if it was just Dublin doing their thing without GAA input then id agree with you.
But thats not the case, There is a clear imbalance between, Funding, coaches, infrastructure sponsorship etc. Dublin are effectively a province now like Leinster and other counties are expected to match that.
Dublin fans seem to take that as a unsult at them, nobody disputes Dublins greatness.

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 26/05/2019 13:03:01    2187589

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Replying To westkerry:  "Meath, laois,Kildare,Offaly would all give Dublin games in Leinster before this imbalance began. Thats when you had full attendances for Leinster finals clon and i bet you miss those days."
Meath and Kildare are brutal now not Dublin's fault. Keep hitting us with the money excuse if it makes you feel better. We pick mainly from the same teams in division 1 we do the exact same training and tactics as everyone else money got nothing to do with it , you either have it or you don't.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 26/05/2019 13:03:33    2187590

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Replying To valley84:  "That's what millions pumped into a county gets you"
But millions has been pumped into other counties also. Dublin and Kerry dominated the 70s without millions. Perhaps this Dublin team, the backbone of which is still the 2011 team, is just supremely talented. Perhaps they've managed to assemble the best team to ever play the game.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 26/05/2019 13:08:09    2187592

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Those millions spent on getting tens of thousands of kids playing Gaelic games, those millions?"
Yes plus all the voluntary work done by parents and good clubs run by good people who invest a lot of their time freely and unlike some of the whiners on here.

dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 541 - 26/05/2019 13:08:29    2187594

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