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Well that was a roller coaster of a game to say the least!! Hard to know how to feel after it to be honest. Being up by 5 with a few minutes to play I was standing there thinking right lads close it out now and we're home and hosed. Frustratingly again we weren't able to keep possession when it mattered and missed our chance to put the final nail in the coffin when Ryan missed his goal chance. Ironically I think last week if he'd hit the net in KK in the 1st half we'd have been too far out of sight to be caught as well. Saying all that it was unreal to salvage the draw when it looked like we had completely blown it. Things are now in our own hands and must go to Carlow and win which you would think we will and then need to try to topple Galway at home on the 15th June.
How Galway are faring before that game may have a say in terms of being able to rest lads etc but either way we need to go and put Carlow away (without assuming it's a guaranteed 2 pts) and then gear up for a make or break clash against the Tribesmen.

TrueBlue35 (Dublin) - Posts: 206 - 20/05/2019 10:50:29    2185807

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We lost the win by only scoring 2 points from the 55 minute to the 75th minute. Wexford scored 2-5 I think in the same period.

Our half forward line was poor against Kilkenny and Kenny's response is to drop Tracy who was the least worst of the three lads in Nowlan Pk. Sutcliffe gets another chance as did Whitely.

In fairness to Whitely he works hard but is largely ineffective but Sutcliffe has been truly awful in the last two games. I've no idea what Kenny is playing at with Sutcliffe at 11. He was awful yesterday and should be nowhere near the panel, let alone the team, after yesterday's "performance". Wexford got 2 of the handiest scores ever because of Sutcliffe switching off on Wexford's puckout. Wexford player only had to jog slowly for 10 metres to receive the puckout. Criminal stuff. As for the wides (one of them dead centre on the 21!)......less said the better. He has bags of talent but at the moment it is hard to remember that.

The 2 Wexford goals came bad mistakes from Dublin defenders so that is very disappointing. In fairness there was still a lot of work to be done so credit to Wexford for finishing them superbly.

Really disappointed again with the manner of the performance. This was the big game and when the dust settles Davy will be happy enough to not have lost in PP.

We're gonna have to beat Galway to go through because I think Wexford will put a bigger score up against Carlow then we will and I'd give them a shout to beat KK in Wexford Pk.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13717 - 20/05/2019 11:39:08    2185849

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Think a draw was a fair result. Both teams prob felt they could have easily won that game...and just as easily lost.

But the result means both teams still have it all to play for..

It could come down to score difference so hopefully next up if we can beat Carlow (which we should) it will be by a nice margin...

Which will leave us with a massive last game at home to Galway. And look, in the Neller, Id give us a great chance against any side in the country, but we have to improve on yesterdays showing. I think both teams were poor yesterday tbh

ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 2007 - 20/05/2019 11:52:57    2185858

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Replying To MesAmis:  "We lost the win by only scoring 2 points from the 55 minute to the 75th minute. Wexford scored 2-5 I think in the same period.

Our half forward line was poor against Kilkenny and Kenny's response is to drop Tracy who was the least worst of the three lads in Nowlan Pk. Sutcliffe gets another chance as did Whitely.

In fairness to Whitely he works hard but is largely ineffective but Sutcliffe has been truly awful in the last two games. I've no idea what Kenny is playing at with Sutcliffe at 11. He was awful yesterday and should be nowhere near the panel, let alone the team, after yesterday's "performance". Wexford got 2 of the handiest scores ever because of Sutcliffe switching off on Wexford's puckout. Wexford player only had to jog slowly for 10 metres to receive the puckout. Criminal stuff. As for the wides (one of them dead centre on the 21!)......less said the better. He has bags of talent but at the moment it is hard to remember that.

The 2 Wexford goals came bad mistakes from Dublin defenders so that is very disappointing. In fairness there was still a lot of work to be done so credit to Wexford for finishing them superbly.

Really disappointed again with the manner of the performance. This was the big game and when the dust settles Davy will be happy enough to not have lost in PP.

We're gonna have to beat Galway to go through because I think Wexford will put a bigger score up against Carlow then we will and I'd give them a shout to beat KK in Wexford Pk."
Agree with most of that but I disagree on Tracey, for me he just doesn't cut it.

To be a half forward you need to be able to win your own ball. You need to be able to compete in the aerial battle form the puckouts. Sutcliffe, although hasnt been great last two games, offers alot more than Tracey for me. On his day hes well able to pluck a few balls out of the sky amongst a cloud of hurls. Well able to win primary possesion/dirty ball.. For me Tracey is not a ball winner, you wont see Tracey plucking a ball out of the sky too often, if ever. And if you cant win your own ball the only way to make up for that is having pace. He has neither. Don't want to be too harsh on the lad, hes been a great servant for Dublin over the years, but hes had his day IMO.

ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 2007 - 20/05/2019 12:44:26    2185885

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Replying To ConnollyDub:  "Agree with most of that but I disagree on Tracey, for me he just doesn't cut it.

To be a half forward you need to be able to win your own ball. You need to be able to compete in the aerial battle form the puckouts. Sutcliffe, although hasnt been great last two games, offers alot more than Tracey for me. On his day hes well able to pluck a few balls out of the sky amongst a cloud of hurls. Well able to win primary possesion/dirty ball.. For me Tracey is not a ball winner, you wont see Tracey plucking a ball out of the sky too often, if ever. And if you cant win your own ball the only way to make up for that is having pace. He has neither. Don't want to be too harsh on the lad, hes been a great servant for Dublin over the years, but hes had his day IMO."
I dunno. Everyone talks about what Sutcliffe is potentially able to do but we rarely, if ever, see him produce the goods on match day. Like yourself I don't want to be harsh but there comes a time when you have to recognise the lack of performance. On current form Sutcliffe is not worth his place on the Dublin panel, let alone on the starting 15. The performances just aren't there. He isn't half the hurler he was when he started out for Dublin and, let's call a spade, a spade, he doesn't work anywhere near hard enough.

Like the 2 points Wexford scored from their own short puckouts, had Tracey been in Sutcliffe's position those points would not have been scored. You could have had any club hurler in the country stop those two scores as they had nothing to do with ability. It was about been switched on and alert but Sutcliffe wasn't and we conceded two points. There's no excuse for that, especially the second one.

Maybe I'm putting too much blame on Sutcliffe for our problems in the half forward line but I think a lot stems from him to be honest. The other lads that have been in there, at various times during the 2 games, like Whitely, Tracey, Dillon, Boland, Rush etc have all at the very least made it difficult for the opposition and worked hard. I didn't see anything like that from Sutcliffe either day, and to compound things he was awful the few times he did get on the ball.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13717 - 20/05/2019 13:37:49    2185904

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Replying To MesAmis:  "I dunno. Everyone talks about what Sutcliffe is potentially able to do but we rarely, if ever, see him produce the goods on match day. Like yourself I don't want to be harsh but there comes a time when you have to recognise the lack of performance. On current form Sutcliffe is not worth his place on the Dublin panel, let alone on the starting 15. The performances just aren't there. He isn't half the hurler he was when he started out for Dublin and, let's call a spade, a spade, he doesn't work anywhere near hard enough.

Like the 2 points Wexford scored from their own short puckouts, had Tracey been in Sutcliffe's position those points would not have been scored. You could have had any club hurler in the country stop those two scores as they had nothing to do with ability. It was about been switched on and alert but Sutcliffe wasn't and we conceded two points. There's no excuse for that, especially the second one.

Maybe I'm putting too much blame on Sutcliffe for our problems in the half forward line but I think a lot stems from him to be honest. The other lads that have been in there, at various times during the 2 games, like Whitely, Tracey, Dillon, Boland, Rush etc have all at the very least made it difficult for the opposition and worked hard. I didn't see anything like that from Sutcliffe either day, and to compound things he was awful the few times he did get on the ball."
Yeah look, i agree with you there. Sutcliffe has to be one of the most frustrating players to watch. Id argue hes our most naturally gifted hurler. But his attitude stinks, potential will only get you so far. First and foremost you have to be willing to put in a shift and come off that pitch at least knowing you gave 100% ..and he certainly didn't do that yesterday.

Effort will only get you so far as well though, and for me Tracey hasn't got the pace nor the ball winning capabilities to cut it at this level. Maybe I'm being harsh, but that's just my opinion...

ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 2007 - 20/05/2019 14:25:51    2185926

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Again desperately disappointing not to be able to deal with a decent lead. Blessed to get draw - should there only be 5 on the line? It looked a bit fortunate on the Sunday game but he has previous for it. So important to stay in the competition a loss there could have put us back a few years. The squad is what it is, another huge weekend coming up we will hope Galway bt Wexford well and hopefully we can put a few up in Carlow. Any word on shutte injury we really need a few top forwards. He seems to have been injured for the last fee years.

theduke66 (Dublin) - Posts: 334 - 20/05/2019 14:44:20    2185933

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Replying To theduke66:  "Again desperately disappointing not to be able to deal with a decent lead. Blessed to get draw - should there only be 5 on the line? It looked a bit fortunate on the Sunday game but he has previous for it. So important to stay in the competition a loss there could have put us back a few years. The squad is what it is, another huge weekend coming up we will hope Galway bt Wexford well and hopefully we can put a few up in Carlow. Any word on shutte injury we really need a few top forwards. He seems to have been injured for the last fee years."
Schutte out for the whole leinster c'ship

ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 2007 - 20/05/2019 14:57:51    2185938

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Agree entirely on Treacy. Just doesn't do enough for me and although he has been a great servant such is the competition for places now that to be in the half forward line you have to be able to win your own ball and work your socks off for the team. Sutcliffe has the potential to put the hand up and pluck a ball from the clouds but Treacy has never been that type of player. I also don't want to be harsh on him but I feel his race for Dublin has been run. Sutcliffe needs an almighty kick up the backside in order to relight the flame and get him going like a few years back. Potential and skill he has in spades but you gotta be showing it consistently at this level. Will be interesting to see if Kenny wields the axe for the Carlow game.

TrueBlue35 (Dublin) - Posts: 206 - 20/05/2019 14:58:21    2185939

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Didn't see the match,who was the better team or was a draw the fair result,it's great for hurling,the Leinster championship is still wide open in my opinion

cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 779 - 20/05/2019 17:09:33    2185989

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I was told to post this here rather than on another thread so here goes.Wexford will win nothing with Davy in charge.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2170 - 20/05/2019 18:23:51    2186028

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Replying To cityman73:  "Didn't see the match,who was the better team or was a draw the fair result,it's great for hurling,the Leinster championship is still wide open in my opinion"
Draw was a fair result. First half was as even as the scorelines. 2nd half, Dublin got a grip on the midfield and dominated for about 15 mins. Wexford changed things around a bit, introduced some pace into the attack which Dublin struggled with.

Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 355 - 20/05/2019 18:35:14    2186035

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Replying To Ej:  "Draw was a fair result. First half was as even as the scorelines. 2nd half, Dublin got a grip on the midfield and dominated for about 15 mins. Wexford changed things around a bit, introduced some pace into the attack which Dublin struggled with."
Thanks,I didn't see Sunday game last night, drowning the sorrows,wide open so

cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 779 - 20/05/2019 20:41:11    2186081

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Replying To endgame:  "I was told to post this here rather than on another thread so here goes.Wexford will win nothing with Davy in charge."
And do you think another manager would? I'd say Leinster is there for the taking if Galway are caught cold on a given day but other than that it's hard to argue Wexford's case for challenging for the All Ireland given the strength of a few of the obvious contenders this year.

TrueBlue35 (Dublin) - Posts: 206 - 21/05/2019 09:28:28    2186174

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Draw was probably a fair result but a crap goal like that is nothing short of sickening.
If Wexford had been more attacking and went for the jugular before the 50th minute, we'd have that vital extra point.
Leinster is going to be so tight this year. Don't rule out a shock or two. Dublin could easily take Galway in Parnell.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1736 - 21/05/2019 10:50:56    2186214

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "Draw was probably a fair result but a crap goal like that is nothing short of sickening.
If Wexford had been more attacking and went for the jugular before the 50th minute, we'd have that vital extra point.
Leinster is going to be so tight this year. Don't rule out a shock or two. Dublin could easily take Galway in Parnell."
Same could be said for Dublin. We were 5 ahead and cruising at 50 mins gone.

If Ryan had of buried that goal chance which in fairness to Fanning, made an unbelievable save, we could of been home and hosed!!!

So a draw definitely a fair result...

ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 2007 - 21/05/2019 11:08:08    2186224

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Replying To ConnollyDub:  "Same could be said for Dublin. We were 5 ahead and cruising at 50 mins gone.

If Ryan had of buried that goal chance which in fairness to Fanning, made an unbelievable save, we could of been home and hosed!!!

So a draw definitely a fair result..."
As the saying goes:
If your auntie had balls she'd be your uncle

Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 355 - 21/05/2019 11:33:02    2186238

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Replying To endgame:  "I was told to post this here rather than on another thread so here goes.Wexford will win nothing with Davy in charge."
You are quite clearly not the sharpest tool in the box.
I suggested that you start a new thread. And guess what....this is not a new thread.
Now run along like a good boy

Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 355 - 21/05/2019 11:39:16    2186242

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Replying To Ej:  "As the saying goes:
If your auntie had balls she'd be your uncle"
Draw was probably a fair result but a crap goal like that is nothing short of sickening.
If Wexford had been more attacking and went for the jugular before the 50th minute, we'd have that vital extra point.
Leinster is going to be so tight this year. Don't rule out a shock or two. Dublin could easily take Galway in Parnell.

As the saying goes: If your auntie had balls she'd be your uncle ;)

ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 2007 - 21/05/2019 11:42:42    2186244

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Replying To ConnollyDub:  "Draw was probably a fair result but a crap goal like that is nothing short of sickening.
If Wexford had been more attacking and went for the jugular before the 50th minute, we'd have that vital extra point.
Leinster is going to be so tight this year. Don't rule out a shock or two. Dublin could easily take Galway in Parnell.

As the saying goes: If your auntie had balls she'd be your uncle ;)"
Wasn't having a dig at anyone. The game is 70 mins (sometimes 77 lol), and in that time both teams will prob have a period of dominance, chances are taken, chances are missed, mistakes are made etc etc.
We all pick incidents in isolation and say if this or that happened but the scoreline very rarely lies.

Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 355 - 21/05/2019 12:52:00    2186278

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