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"Leinster Venue Decision A Sign Of Falling Football Crowds"

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Good article from RTE. It saddens me that the GAA waited until it was too late to take Dublin out of Croker. I've no doubt they wouldn't have won as many Leinsters from 2005 to 2011 if they'd have played every 1st round and quarter final outside Croker. Now it doesn't even matter.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0514/1049468-leinster-venue-decision/

I've been banging the drum for years but things will get very ugly in a few years when people lose any hope of Dublin returning to the Leinster pack.

I still think they might be lowballing the double header attendance. I'd expect 20k myself.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2841 - 14/05/2019 19:14:24    2184095

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "Good article from RTE. It saddens me that the GAA waited until it was too late to take Dublin out of Croker. I've no doubt they wouldn't have won as many Leinsters from 2005 to 2011 if they'd have played every 1st round and quarter final outside Croker. Now it doesn't even matter.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0514/1049468-leinster-venue-decision/

I've been banging the drum for years but things will get very ugly in a few years when people lose any hope of Dublin returning to the Leinster pack.

I still think they might be lowballing the double header attendance. I'd expect 20k myself."
I would expect 20 k too and if they get it fantastic. I Way prefer for there to be a scramble for tickets with 20k plus at the doubleheader then to have 12/15k for Dublin game and then have 5-8k at Meath Carlow in Parnell Park or something. I'm strangely considering heading from Cork to see a doubleheader of football on a hopefully sunny evening as neither Cork team is out that weekend

SlipperyDodger (Cork) - Posts: 88 - 15/05/2019 00:25:04    2184188

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "Good article from RTE. It saddens me that the GAA waited until it was too late to take Dublin out of Croker. I've no doubt they wouldn't have won as many Leinsters from 2005 to 2011 if they'd have played every 1st round and quarter final outside Croker. Now it doesn't even matter.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0514/1049468-leinster-venue-decision/

I've been banging the drum for years but things will get very ugly in a few years when people lose any hope of Dublin returning to the Leinster pack.

I still think they might be lowballing the double header attendance. I'd expect 20k myself."
Lets rotate Meath around the provinces , would they win a provincial title ?

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 1827 - 15/05/2019 01:00:17    2184192

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Replying To superbluedub:  "Lets rotate Meath around the provinces , would they win a provincial title ?"
If you took any of these leinster teams they'd at least have a chance in connaught or ulster.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2841 - 15/05/2019 13:58:01    2184304

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "Good article from RTE. It saddens me that the GAA waited until it was too late to take Dublin out of Croker. I've no doubt they wouldn't have won as many Leinsters from 2005 to 2011 if they'd have played every 1st round and quarter final outside Croker. Now it doesn't even matter.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0514/1049468-leinster-venue-decision/

I've been banging the drum for years but things will get very ugly in a few years when people lose any hope of Dublin returning to the Leinster pack.

I still think they might be lowballing the double header attendance. I'd expect 20k myself."
Here's the first round results from that period:

2005 v Longford - Dublin by 19
2006 v Longford - Dublin by 2 (in Longford)
2007 v Meath - Dublin by 4 (after replay)
2008 v Louth - Dublin by 13
2009 v Meath - Dublin by 2
2010 v Wexford - Dublin by 7
2011 v Laois - Dublin by 8

The close games were 2006 (in Longford where Longford really should have won), 2007 (where Meath should have won the first game) and 2009 (where Dublin should have won by more, though they had a scare in the last minute where Sheridan could / should have equalised). I don't think many people would disagree that Dublin should have played more games outside Croker in that period but I'd be interested to hear which ties they would have lost playing in the opposition's venue?

Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 512 - 15/05/2019 14:20:50    2184311

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I think its a reflection of the quality on offer to be honest, in years gone by Meath, Offaly, Westmeath, Laois, Wexford and Kildare, offered a very real threat to Dublin and had a realistic chance of a Leinster. Im a fanatic and would watch Dublin in Dubai, but at this stage its out of sole interest in Dublin rahter then an expectation out of any competition, though Kildare gave it a rattle a couple of years ago and Wexford in 2011.

Games in Leinster where like All Ireland Semi or final games such was the quality, its gone the way of Munster now. Connacht and Ulster are fine. Munster and Leinster arent worth playing at the moment as a competition.

Its certainly strong evidence for a two tier championship, Leinster and Munster teams dont do themselves any favors in keeping the traditional provincial championships alive.

Id throw Dublin and Kerry into the same province if im honest, with maybe Meath, Kildare, Cork and one or two others.

I see falling attendances in the provincials very much Leinster and Munsters problems.

No problem with the double headers myself, if the competition needs to be played.

Will be there early to shout on Carlow!!

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 2774 - 15/05/2019 14:22:14    2184312

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "If you took any of these leinster teams they'd at least have a chance in connaught or ulster."
Bulls%it

OhtobeARossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 1320 - 15/05/2019 15:00:46    2184321

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Replying To Kurt_Angle:  "Here's the first round results from that period:

2005 v Longford - Dublin by 19
2006 v Longford - Dublin by 2 (in Longford)
2007 v Meath - Dublin by 4 (after replay)
2008 v Louth - Dublin by 13
2009 v Meath - Dublin by 2
2010 v Wexford - Dublin by 7
2011 v Laois - Dublin by 8

The close games were 2006 (in Longford where Longford really should have won), 2007 (where Meath should have won the first game) and 2009 (where Dublin should have won by more, though they had a scare in the last minute where Sheridan could / should have equalised). I don't think many people would disagree that Dublin should have played more games outside Croker in that period but I'd be interested to hear which ties they would have lost playing in the opposition's venue?"
I'd be interested to hear which ties they would have lost playing in the opposition's venue

Impossible question to answer. Overall though, I think its only fair that they play outside HQ like the other teams do.

Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 140 - 15/05/2019 15:11:51    2184327

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If they're only expecting little more than 11k for Dub/Louth why send them all the way to Portlaoise when Navan can handle it?

RoyalBadger (Meath) - Posts: 565 - 15/05/2019 15:19:25    2184329

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "If you took any of these leinster teams they'd at least have a chance in connaught or ulster."
Would you have a word with yourself you absolute mad yoke hahahahahahahaha

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13493 - 15/05/2019 16:16:05    2184346

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "If you took any of these leinster teams they'd at least have a chance in connaught or ulster."
Any of those meaning Wicklow or Carlow etc? I couldn't see them competing for provincial honours against the likes of Mayo/Galway/Roscommon in Connacht or Tyrone/Donegal/Monaghan in Ulster to be fair. I couldn't even see Kildare or Meath winning provincial titles competing against the teams mentioned above never mind the "lesser" teams in Leinster.

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2162 - 15/05/2019 16:42:11    2184357

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Replying To Gator:  "I'd be interested to hear which ties they would have lost playing in the opposition's venue

Impossible question to answer. Overall though, I think its only fair that they play outside HQ like the other teams do."
Agreed, it would be pure speculation. This was in response to the OP's claim that Dublin wouldn't have won as many Leinster titles from 2005-11 if they early games outside Croke Park and was trying to reconcile this claim.

Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 512 - 15/05/2019 17:03:24    2184361

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "If you took any of these leinster teams they'd at least have a chance in connaught or ulster."
Meath wouldn't beat Galway, Mayo or Roscommon at the minute.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 9854 - 15/05/2019 17:38:51    2184372

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Dublin are the only who don't have to play an actual away game
Neutral ground yet again

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1634 - 15/05/2019 20:11:04    2184390

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Replying To valley84:  "Dublin are the only who don't have to play an actual away game
Neutral ground yet again"
Would it make any difference ? -:)

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 1827 - 15/05/2019 22:37:27    2184435

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Replying To RoyalBadger:  "If they're only expecting little more than 11k for Dub/Louth why send them all the way to Portlaoise when Navan can handle it?"
The mind boggles. Navan was the perfect venue for Dublin v Louth. Carlow and Meath really should have a home and away agreement too.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2841 - 16/05/2019 03:27:42    2184458

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It's not a sign of falling crowds but a sign of the football on show that turns people away. As a Louth man, il be there but only because i always go. It's hard to justify going to see a game that will be well over as a contest before HT and a game that Dublin will win between 15-20 points pulling up.

PK57 (Louth) - Posts: 1559 - 16/05/2019 07:47:45    2184469

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Meath wouldn't beat Galway, Mayo or Roscommon at the minute."
Really?? Just drawing on recent form or lines of form. Kildare humiliated mayo last year. Meath beat Kildare this year, last time we played Galway we beat them, and last year Roscommon needed a dodgy penalty and a free both in extra time to DRAW with Meath at HOME. so can't understand how you'd be so confident. Really there is nothing to suggest otherwise.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 15980 - 16/05/2019 10:04:07    2184490

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "The mind boggles. Navan was the perfect venue for Dublin v Louth. Carlow and Meath really should have a home and away agreement too."
PT is a shambles of a venue. Should be used for club games only. not fit to host big county games. Place is falling apart, its old, poor facilities.

Probably the 3rd worse county ground in Ireland.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 1698 - 16/05/2019 10:39:43    2184504

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "PT is a shambles of a venue. Should be used for club games only. not fit to host big county games. Place is falling apart, its old, poor facilities.

Probably the 3rd worse county ground in Ireland."
And one of the best pitches in country by some distance, puts Omagh to shame. Even nominated for best pitch in country, after all isn't that the most important thing?? You can have great facilities for patrons and the pitch is horrendous. Also the upgrades that have passed all planning stages will provide a 22000 all seater stadium, the one thing that cannot be touched is the pitch , as it is up there with Croke Park as best in ire.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 15980 - 16/05/2019 11:00:28    2184516

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