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Replying To witnof: "Two points : If it when ahead unauthourised and there is an accident the GAA are liable if it is on their grounds, and lads the cost of claims etc these days is massive, and the media would be going on about how 'irresposnbile' the GAA are. Point number 2, if the local soccer club have no facilities to support such a tournament becuase the FAI have run up the expenses on the credit card then play a Football tournament on the GAA grounds!!! Do all the idiots hopping off the GAA over this know how much the GAA raise centrally, at county and at club levels for charities etc?????? Why do we have to bend over backwards for a sport that is corrupt at the highest level so they is nothing at the local level??" Do you think there's no corruption in the GAA? Do issues in the FAI mean all is good with the GAA. There is something rotten at the top of the FAI no doubt, but plenty of great people involved with soccer, many involved with the GAA. The club OK'd this tournament so they should have been covered by insurance. County board saying rules wete broken shouldn't void any insurance claims. Soccer is very popular in Donegal. I don't know why it was held on GAA grounds but maybe the GAA might look more welcoming to participants of other sports. This is not just a PR mistake, this is the complete opposite of good PR and makes the Association look stupid. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7360 - 24/04/2019 10:32:31 2180035 Link
Time for all at grassroots level to take a stand and tell the boyos in their suits ruling from the Capital to keep their noses out of local communities and stick to the corporate nobbling. Despite the tv ads and messages they try to portray it is nothing but image and the only time they seem to take interest at this level is to flex their muscles. They have ruined the intercounty game so let's not let them ruin the club and community too. Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 24/04/2019 10:56:28 2180039 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "Do you think there's no corruption in the GAA? Do issues in the FAI mean all is good with the GAA. There is something rotten at the top of the FAI no doubt, but plenty of great people involved with soccer, many involved with the GAA. The club OK'd this tournament so they should have been covered by insurance. County board saying rules wete broken shouldn't void any insurance claims. Soccer is very popular in Donegal. I don't know why it was held on GAA grounds but maybe the GAA might look more welcoming to participants of other sports. This is not just a PR mistake, this is the complete opposite of good PR and makes the Association look stupid." Well said. This our lot are not like them in fai bs is laughable, the amount of stuff that goes on in the gaa , it's just not published. Yet. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 24/04/2019 11:03:40 2180042 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "Do you think there's no corruption in the GAA? Do issues in the FAI mean all is good with the GAA. There is something rotten at the top of the FAI no doubt, but plenty of great people involved with soccer, many involved with the GAA. The club OK'd this tournament so they should have been covered by insurance. County board saying rules wete broken shouldn't void any insurance claims. Soccer is very popular in Donegal. I don't know why it was held on GAA grounds but maybe the GAA might look more welcoming to participants of other sports. This is not just a PR mistake, this is the complete opposite of good PR and makes the Association look stupid." *The club OK'd this tournament so they should have been covered by insurance. County board saying rules wete broken shouldn't void any insurance claims.* GAA insurance is administered centrally and extended to all clubs. The club itself would not have the facility to extend existing cover to cover this tournament. As HQ vetoed the tournament, it is extremely unlikely that they requested an extension of cover to cover it. For cover to be in place, the club would have had to take out a separate policy to cover the tournament. It is also extremely unlikely this happened as i) it is likely this would have been turned down due to the tournament taking place on grounds that are owned by another body and with different particulars of cover under a different policy and ii) even if cover was obtained, this would significantly eat into funds raised during this tournament. Whether HQ should have extended permission (and, subsequently, requested extended cover) is certainly up for debate but the consideration of insurance cover can't be dismissed, especially in our litigious society. Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 24/04/2019 12:17:06 2180052 Link
.......and it seems no one has been suspended yet, the process is on-going.........report recommended 8 weeks (minimum possible) now the club have the right to respond.....................no decision has been made. So maybe the journalists and keyboard warriors might start to add some facts witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 24/04/2019 13:29:32 2180065 Link
There is a suspension proposed and it is up to the club to show they did nothing wrong - that's callled due process. If they allowed an event to be ran without insurance, then there is a major problem. The GAA continually gives and supports its community. This whole fear of upsetting people, or 'it'll be a PR disaster' is no way to make decisions. That's a snowflakes world. 49erroyal (Meath) - Posts: 65 - 24/04/2019 14:45:53 2180083 Link
Replying To 49erroyal: "There is a suspension proposed and it is up to the club to show they did nothing wrong - that's callled due process. If they allowed an event to be ran without insurance, then there is a major problem. The GAA continually gives and supports its community. This whole fear of upsetting people, or 'it'll be a PR disaster' is no way to make decisions. That's a snowflakes world." We don't know the facts from both sides. Until we do it"s not good PR for the GAA. What is the rule for use of GAA facilities? Genuine question. I live in Meath not far from Kildare, Westmeath and Meath border and know GAA clubs whose facilities are used for 5-a-side soccer, Jujitsu classes, Art Classes, Irish dancing classes. Surely there's no rule prohibiting them, having a sense of goodwill in small rural communities and getting a few quid in for use of their facilities? GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7360 - 24/04/2019 15:04:42 2180088 Link
Replying To 49erroyal: "There is a suspension proposed and it is up to the club to show they did nothing wrong - that's callled due process. If they allowed an event to be ran without insurance, then there is a major problem. The GAA continually gives and supports its community. This whole fear of upsetting people, or 'it'll be a PR disaster' is no way to make decisions. That's a snowflakes world." You have it correct 49erroyal. The relevant rule was broken, a suspension was applied. If that rule is to be changed, it should be done by way of motion to Congress. thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1746 - 24/04/2019 17:51:53 2180116 Link
Why do we have to bend over backwards for a sport that is corrupt at the highest level so they is nothing at the local level?? witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1406 - 24/04/2019 07:40:18 I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this. Are memories so short that Congress agreed to run a crooked championship to keep the money rolling in? MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 24/04/2019 18:47:23 2180124 Link
Replying To thelongridge: "You have it correct 49erroyal. The relevant rule was broken, a suspension was applied. If that rule is to be changed, it should be done by way of motion to Congress." They are not suspended but a an 8 week suspension has been proposed and it has now been left to the club to make their case. gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1059 - 24/04/2019 19:07:04 2180127 Link
Terrible decision. Its simple, the best way to get lads into your sport or club is to entice them in with something they are familiar with. Someone comes along for the day, sees the facilities and thinks maybe I'll send the kids down to training. I've seen this used to get clubs off the ground in the UK, getting others involved using soccer or Aussie Rules and if things are well run they will stick around or at the very least support fundraisers. A local club trying to do the right thing to help a member of their community. No matter how much we all love the GAA if we were a young lad playing for that club I think most of us wouldn't be long changing focus, especially in Donegal where there is a strong soccer culture and league. Chipstix (Leitrim) - Posts: 7 - 24/04/2019 19:25:27 2180130 Link
Replying To thelongridge: "You have it correct 49erroyal. The relevant rule was broken, a suspension was applied. If that rule is to be changed, it should be done by way of motion to Congress." Aye ok if we're all going to be open and transparent surrounding the rules let's get the cards on the table then so... How many of our so called amateur management teams at both club and county level are doing it for the love of it and not getting a nice wee brown envelope here and there? The GAA love referring to their own rule book at times, but then when it comes to more pressing stuff and potentially a big can of worms being opened then its omerta all the way... Look it's an Irish thing. Local council, GAA , FAI, government - we all can't seem to hold the local charlatan with a brass neck to account even if they continually take the utter piss. Time for us all to grow up and call a halt to the continual bull we are fed on a daily basis year on year.. Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9155 - 24/04/2019 19:48:26 2180133 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "Well said. This our lot are not like them in fai bs is laughable, the amount of stuff that goes on in the gaa , it's just not published. Yet." If Revenue ever come after the cash payments paid to club & county managers, five & six figure sums that mostly are never declared as income, it will make the FAI look like angels, it is one unholy mess waiting to be investigated. Another interesting one is the refusal to publish the top salaries of the top officials in the Association & how Presdients of the Association who take time out from their jobs have had their salaries covered, one past very high profile case had it published in the papers as it was made open to the public, most were shocked at the figure. Lot of skeletons in the cupboard. Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 409 - 25/04/2019 00:19:04 2180159 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "We don't know the facts from both sides. Until we do it"s not good PR for the GAA. What is the rule for use of GAA facilities? Genuine question. I live in Meath not far from Kildare, Westmeath and Meath border and know GAA clubs whose facilities are used for 5-a-side soccer, Jujitsu classes, Art Classes, Irish dancing classes. Surely there's no rule prohibiting them, having a sense of goodwill in small rural communities and getting a few quid in for use of their facilities?" Clubs vested in the GAA cannot allow other sporting organisations use their facilities, this rule is being broken on a daily basis. Indeed clubs are in receipt of sports capital grants granted on the basis that they are facilities for public use, but some then turn around and play the fact they are vested in the GAA card & the facilities cannot be used. It is rotten to the core. Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 409 - 25/04/2019 00:26:19 2180160 Link
Replying To thelongridge: "You have it correct 49erroyal. The relevant rule was broken, a suspension was applied. If that rule is to be changed, it should be done by way of motion to Congress." Your opinion of congress is much higher than mine. To get a motion passed you require 2/3 majority with no transparency- you are not allowed to know what way anyone voted. If its good enough for Cork to open up their ground then why not a club for a good cause- different rules for the top and the bottom. Insurance is a problem all over the country with self interests and of course folk who want to make a handy lump sum making spurious claims aided by our judicial system (judges/barristers and solicitors). browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 25/04/2019 10:45:42 2180183 Link
Given the controversies over this and Liam Miller maybe the GAA should get out of the charity sector entirely. And stick to promoting Irish culture and the Irish language. That said this will be ruthlessley exploited by anti GAA media to push Soccer and Rugby make no mistake. galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2520 - 25/04/2019 12:04:36 2180198 Link
Replying To browncows: "Your opinion of congress is much higher than mine. To get a motion passed you require 2/3 majority with no transparency- you are not allowed to know what way anyone voted. If its good enough for Cork to open up their ground then why not a club for a good cause- different rules for the top and the bottom. Insurance is a problem all over the country with self interests and of course folk who want to make a handy lump sum making spurious claims aided by our judicial system (judges/barristers and solicitors)." The 2/3 majority requirement for motions to pass was reduced to 60% a couple of years ago. Why it isn't just a simple majority doesn't make sense though. Minority still rules in that case. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2046 - 25/04/2019 12:28:36 2180200 Link
Replying To galwayford: "Given the controversies over this and Liam Miller maybe the GAA should get out of the charity sector entirely. And stick to promoting Irish culture and the Irish language. That said this will be ruthlessley exploited by anti GAA media to push Soccer and Rugby make no mistake." Promoting Irish culture & the Irish language is all very well but it pales into insignifigance when your neighbour gets a diagnosis like MND and needs help to pay the bills. MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 25/04/2019 13:18:43 2180209 Link
Replying To Lockjaw: "Let's call a spade a spade here. It's that old, blinkered republican viewpoint - down with soccer, down with rugby, down with anything with a the remotest Anglican hint about it. Complete and utter bullshit which should be consigned to Saoradhs meetings. Not part of a modern and inclusive GAA." I don't agree with ''blinkered republican viewpoint'' statement. I do agree that the rules need to be changed for community fundraisers and the like, I would however keep the rule to protect our organisation. Our club pitches could get over run by Soccer or Rugby if someone in a club decides this could be a good way to raise funds if these rules where not in place. One way or another things like this need to stop making headlines as people will start turning away from Gaa and really you couldn't blame them redbomb (Tyrone) - Posts: 167 - 25/04/2019 13:38:17 2180210 Link
Replying To galwayford: "Given the controversies over this and Liam Miller maybe the GAA should get out of the charity sector entirely. And stick to promoting Irish culture and the Irish language. That said this will be ruthlessley exploited by anti GAA media to push Soccer and Rugby make no mistake." For someone who knows nothing about rugby you sure do talk a lot about rugby...... GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7360 - 25/04/2019 14:20:16 2180217 Link