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Replying To realdub:  "I think Westmeath or Laois will give Meath a battle and a half, nothing guaranteed there!"
I sure would find it hard to pick a winner between Meath, Westmeath and Loais. Tricky to know where to put your money on a winner there and I wouldn't be much down.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3351 - 12/04/2019 22:50:25    2178635

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Replying To realdub:  "In fairness you're probably right about playing Meath in Navan. Dublin would still win but not by a cricket score. I'm not denying that. The great Kerry team wouldn't have hammered teams in finals and semis if those games were not in Croke park either, they were used to it, just like we are.
Whatever about beating Dublin, it'll be a good few years before Meath land the big one, maybe many years. Because when we bite the dust, there's a good few teams waiting in the wings to battle it out, that's the level Meath need to shoot for, they're the teams they will be battling with in a couple of years time."
Meath are years behind Dublin. We know that. As I said Meath cud play Dublin in leinster final without single victory in Croke Park v a Dublin team with possibly up to 80 90 victories in Croker. Thats not Dublins fault. But it shows u that this Meath team r in their infancy, the average age is 23 and with young talent coming thru it will remain a young team. This Meath team is only really months together. I said three years ago we would win leinster title in 2021. So I will predict we will beat Dublin in 2 or 3 years time in 2021 2022. If we can stay in divsion 1 next year that will mean two years in division one and will definitely improve Meath in the following two championships.

Regards next year if I cud pick three teams for Navan next year it wud Dublin Galway and Mayo. Galway havent won in Navan in 40 years and Meath have played Galway many times in Navan in 40 years . In Meaths last 5 games with Galway in last few years , Meath have lost once. So Meath v Galway in Navan wud be a very competitive game but I wud be hopeful of victory. Mayo in Navan it cocky and arrogant to say this but its part of Meath football that we always feel we can beat Mayo. We are their bogey team. So again I wud expect competitive game in Navan. And I would love to see Meath play Dublin in Navan. Dubs always find it hard to beat Meath in Navan , the last games v Dublin and Meath in Navan were very close games. Before christmas we played Dubs in challenge game in Navan. I know it was challenge game but Dublin did have 5 starter from All Ireland final and Fenton played . Meath won. We played Dublin in Byrne cup after winning the All Ireland recently. And Dublin played their first team and had all.their best players. Meath went toe to toe with Dublin for 70 mins and Dublin won by point injury time with Dean Rock point. I know I know challenge game and Byrne cup . But Meath v Dublin in Navan will be a tight game. But for me theres no way Dublin will beat Meath by cricket score in Navan. It will be a tight game for 70 mins and if Dublin win it will be no more then by a score, one or two points. Bring Dublin to Navan and Dubs will not beat Meath by a cricket score. 5000 Meaths fans in the stands Navan is always tough place for Dublin teams. So I can see Meath getting results from games like the above next year in the spring. I cud be wrong but again I feel there is evidence to suggest Meath can survive in div 2. This summer will not tell to much about Meath, its next spring and next summer their true worth will be seen. For better or for worse.

The point u make about Dublin biting the dust , I agree Dublin will decline. Some think dominance will continue. But actually I believe it will have opposite effect. Dublin have forced other counties to up their game. Kerry 5 in a row minors , Kildares U20 All Ireland win and Meaths leinster wins are directly because of Dublins sucess. When a county dominates it forces counties to up their game and the following decade to be very competitive. Look at kerry after Dwyer era and kilkenny with Cody.

The only two teams we can compare to current Dublin sucess is kerry 75 to 86 and 00s kilkenny.

Take Kerry between 1975 to 1986 won 8 All Irelands in 12 years. It was very uncompetitve era where one team dominated and their was only two real contenders for Sam. In the 12 years after 1986 after a decade of kerry sucess we had a very competitive era where in mid 80s we had two All Ireland contenders eg Dublin Kerry. Ten years later in mid 90s u had 8 or 9 All Ireland contenders. Between 1975 to 1986 u had 3 counties winning All-Irelands
Between 1987 to 1999 u had 8 counties winning All Irelands.

Its the same with hurling kilkenny Tippearey and Cork won all the All-Irelands in 00s. kilkenny won 7 All Irelands in 00s. In 2009 there was two All Ireland contenders. In 2019 ten years later there are 7 or 8 All Ireland contenders. Kilkenny sucess forced counties to up their game. An uncompetitive era where one team dominates is followed by an era of competitiveness. If u said in 2010 that Clare Galway and limerick won win Liam Mcarthy by 2008 people would have laughed at u.

So what are the chances when Dublin dip we will see an era of competitiveness where u will see many All Ireland contenders and many new teams will emerge and have sucess. The signs are theyre teams have upped theyre game because of Dublins sucess. Kerry winning 5 minors is a sign of future great kerry team on the horizon. Kildares un20 All Ireland is a great foundation for future sucess. And Meaths 4 wins in 4 years v Dublin minors ( soon 5 wins in 5 years in next few weeks) is a good sign that these future Meath footballers will carry on Meaths great tradition of beating Dublin in the future.

Maybe Dublin will.win next 20 leinster titles and next ten All Irelands but there are signs things are changing. All we can say for certain is that any time a team dominates like Dublin the folllwing era is very competitive. Maybe it wouldnt. But it cannot be ruled out it will.

But Dublin have done the easy thing. They have become the top county in football replacing kerry. Now they have to do the hard part remain there generation after generation decadw after decade like Kerry have. Dublin are up there to be knocked down. Every county will want to take Dublin down. Can Dublin do want Kerry have done.

Kerry replaced Sean Murphy in with Paudi O Se and john O Keefe in 70s . Paudi was replaced by Seamus Moyihan in 90s and Moyihan was replaced by T O Se and M O Se in 00s. They r alk great defenders. Kerry replaced Mick O Connell in 60s with Jack 0 Se in 70s and 80s at midfield. Jack O Se was replaced by D O Se in 90s and 00s.
And Mick Dwyer the forward was replaced by Mikey Sheedy in 70s. Mikey Sheedy was replaced by Maurice Fitzgerald in 80s and 90s. Fitzgerald was replaced by Cooper in 00s. And Cooper was replaced by Clifford. Thats the genius of kerry football. Now can Dublin replace Cluxton replace Sullivan Cooper McMahon. Can Dublin replace Brogan kilkenny and Connolly. Can they do that in 2020s 2030s 2040s. Dublin have gone up a level. But there is only two way for Dublin to go thats stay where they r or down. As I said Dublin have done easy part be sucessful. But can they stay at the top and continue sucess. Theres no guratee of that. Even kerry or kilkenny found that hard to do.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 968 - 13/04/2019 00:48:46    2178637

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Replying To realdub:  "Look I'm not putting down Meath, they have progressed and improved, and I welcome that. But to say there's not a lot between them and Kerry is a bit much.
We talk about Mayo having been our closest rivals over the decade, and they were, but it's a little unfair on Kerry when they pushed us to our limits in all our championship meetings over the last 8 years or so, bar the 2015 final and even that could have been snatched with the bounce of a ball.
If Kerry were to play Meath next Sunday in the championship, the kingdom would win by a country mile!"
Kerry would win. Yes. But Meath up their game v top counties. Every time Meath play a division 1 everyone says they will lose by cricket score.
In last two years Meath played Galway. People said on this forum Gakway wud hammer Meath. Galway were very strong favourites. Meath won.
In last two years ago Meath played Roscommon. On this forum people were predicting a big margin of victory for Roscommon. Roscommon the connacht champions were strong favourites. In Roscommon Meath drew with Roscommon after Roscommon scores from penalty injury time to draw the game.
When Meath played Donegal in championship two years ago again the predictions were Donegal would beat Meath comfortably. Meath went toe to toe with Donegal for 70 mins , the game was level in injury time and Donegal won in injury time with wonderful McBreaty point.
Again Meath played Donegal in Ballybofey this year , Donegal were strong favourites and for 65 mins Meath were much better team.
Before league final people were predicting Donegal wud beat Meath by cricket score. Donegal won by 2 points after Meath totally dominated the first half.
Last year people on this forum said many times Tyrone would beat Meath by a cricket score. Only for a Tyrone point in 7th min of injury time , Meath wud have won.

This is not an opinion. This is a fact. Every top team Meath played in last 2 years ( 6 games in total v Ulster champions, Connacht champions All.Ireland finalist). In games with some best teams in country the All Ireland finalist Connacht and Ulster champions Meath played very well and all.these teams found it very hard to beat Meath. People were predicting Tyrone Donegal Galway and Roscommon wud beat Meath by criket scores. Meath were massive underdogs in all those games. Yet Meath upped their game.

Meath in the past upped their game v top counties under McEntee that Meath trait has returned . Meath up their game v top counties. If Meath played kerry or Mayo next week I believe kerry or Mayo would not beat us by criket score. Kerry and Mayo would win and if we had to play 3 division 1 teams in 3 weeks in super 8 as I dont believe we wud be ready for such games in short time and have the panel or experience to do that.

But a one off game v kerry or Mayo next Sunday, I would be surprised if Kerry or Mayo would hammer us. Kerry or Mayo in last 80 years have never hammered Meath by a cricket score in the championship. Meath up their game v top counties. I will say it again Meath up their game v top counties. In my lifetime I have seen Meath play kerry in league or championship 10 times and about 8 or 9 times at underage , not once have kerry hammered us at any level in last 50 years. Actually going back to Meath v kerry games in 1930s 1940s and 1950s kerry have never hammered Meath in their history in the championship. Meath have an excellent record v kerry. Meath were beating kerry in All Ireland finals 50 years before Tyrone did.

And regards Mayo Meath have played Mayo many times in last 50 years in league or championship and Mayo have never hammered Meath any of those games. And Meath have won 90% of those game in league and championship.
Meath have played Mayo 9 times in championship Mayo have won once. That was in 1951. Since that Meath have beaten Mayo in every single game in the championship.

Yes kerry or Mayo wud win. But I would be confident Meath wud put it up to them. We did get results Galway and Roscommon recently , Mayo cannot beat Galway. And we put it up to Donegal and Tyrone recently. Kerry are not that far ahead of Tyrone and Donegal. Listen if we reach super 8 I wud be worried of 3 games in a month. The old quater final system suited Meath . The last 4 quater finals we reached we won 3 of them by beating Mayo Tyrone and Westmeath. The new system super 8 suits experienced teams it doesnt help young teams.

But if Meath meet kerry or Mayo in the league next year I would be confident that neitheir wud hammer Meath . Meath wud be competitive. Meath would probaly not win, maybe we cud win in Navan, but Meath wud very difficult for both counties to beat. Why? Again Meath up their game v top counties. U dont believe me I have 6 games v division 1 counties in last 2 years which show Meath upped their game. And I have examples going back decades and decades of Meath upping their game v top counties. It Meath greatest strengh the main reason why we were so successful as a county for so long. McEntee seems to have brought back to Meath football that trait. Meath up their game v top counties.

Meath have no inferior complex. If anything Meath would have inner cockiness even arrogance v top counties. Thats why Cork Mayo Tyrone dont like us. They know everytime they play Meath they might win but Meath will be difficult to beat. Why ? Because Meath up their games v top counties. Its very rare for top counties to hammer Meath. When Dublin hammered us in 2014 that was first time since 1920s Meath v Dublin game was over before half time. ln the championship in last 80 years Mayo Kerry have never hammered Meath. Not once. We wouldnt beat them. But we wouldn't lie down in front of them. We wouldnt make it easy for them. Why sud we. Mayo kerry Tyrone have never hammered Meath in the championship. In last 50 years they have not hammered us in any league game. Maybe that will change next spring. But if kerry or Mayo come to Navan I would be very disappointed if Meath didnt tear into them for 70 mins. And I would be disappointed if Kerry or Mayo didnt find it hard to beat Meath. Tyrone found it very hard to beat Meath in last ten months. Are Mayo and kerry miles and miles better then Tyrone. Meath can be an enigma. We cud lose to Westmeath in leinster semi final.and then play Tyrone or Mayo in the back door and both counties wud find it difficult to beat Meath. Why? For umpteen time I will say it because it is true and I have 6 games in 2 years to prove my point , Meath up their game v top counties.

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Meath v Galway in 2017. Galway won div 2 title and Connacht title in 2017 and reached league final in 2018 and semi final in 2018. In last three years only three teams have beaten Galway in the league they are Kerry Dublin and Meath.
Donegal in 2019 were curent Ulster champions and league div 2 winners. In both games Meath performed very well and went toe to toe with Donegal for 70 mins.
In 2019 Tyrone the All Ireland finalist but only for Tyrone point in 7 min of injury time Tyrone wud have lost.
All these games happened. A pattern is developing. A thread we can see. I will say it again because it true, Meath up their game v top counties. A very good trait for any team to have. Thats why all.division 1 teams who Meath played in last two years found it really hard to beat Meath.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 968 - 13/04/2019 02:09:06    2178638

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Replying To realdub:  "Look I'm not putting down Meath, they have progressed and improved, and I welcome that. But to say there's not a lot between them and Kerry is a bit much.
We talk about Mayo having been our closest rivals over the decade, and they were, but it's a little unfair on Kerry when they pushed us to our limits in all our championship meetings over the last 8 years or so, bar the 2015 final and even that could have been snatched with the bounce of a ball.
If Kerry were to play Meath next Sunday in the championship, the kingdom would win by a country mile!"
I said before Tyrone game last year we would up our game v them, and I said the same beforw two Donegal games we would up our game v them.
This is how I see it. Kerry and Mayo and Galway would be ahead of Meath well ahead in certain arwas and would all beat Meath.

But if Meath met Kerry Galway or Mayo in the backdoor I would be very surprised if they hammered Meath especially in Navan. I would be confident we would put it up to them and be competitive. We were v Tyrone and Donegal. There's not huge huge gap between Mayo and kerry with teams like Tyrone and Donegal. But we are capable of losing to Westmeath and laois. We r young developing team. Young and developing teams are very up and down.

When we play Kerry Galway and Mayo in next years league I would be surprised if any of these teams hammer us especially in Navan. I would expecting us to be competitive v all.those teams and give them a difficult afternoon.

However if we were reach super 8 I think in that new format we would badly struggle this year. Next year if we reach super 8 after a spring in div 1 I feel that we wud deal with Super 8. The super 8 is built for experienced team. Its built for team with a big panel. Its built for a team established team. Its built for Dublin and Mayo. For young up and coming team like Meath trying to make breakthrough, its totally built against. The old quater final system was better for upcoming team.

If Meath reached the super 8 to play 3 division 1 teams in 1 month I would be worried then that a kerry or Mayo cud hammer us. Meath would need to peak for a third time in one season. Once in the league once in leinster and once in Super 8. I dont think it would be possible for a young up and coming team trying to make the breakthrough from div 2 , I dont think a team like that cud peak three times in 1 year. Next year I think we would be much better prepared for Super 8.

A super 8 format yes that where we wud struggle v top teams. But a championship game in backdoor in Navan v Mayo and kerry we wouldnt win but I would be very confident we would give them a very tough afternoon like we have done v Tyrone and Donegal in last 9 months in 3 games. Meath are most improved team in the country in last 9 months going from 15th or 16th to 8 or 9th in the country. The next part is the hard part. Breaking into top 7 or 8 and staying there.

Time will tell if we can do that. But I do believe this team has shown consistently a trait that they up their game are competitive v top teams in last 2 years. I have yet to see Meath in last two years fail to up their game v top teams. And as Meath improve and get stronger next year especially, Meath are currently very very close to beating Tyrone and Donegal. Wud it be possible we cud turn 1 point loses in injury time to Tyrone anf Donegal into wins in 12 months time. Is that possible. Of course it is possible. Every team that develops had to go thru moral victories hard luck loses , loses by 1 point. Even the current Dublin had moral victories hard luck loses and 1 point loses before they made breakthrough. Teams are not built overnight, it takes years of near misses before they cross the line. There is no gurantee Meath will make the breakthrough. But they are definitely going in right direction and putting themselves in the right position to suceed. Its the only way to suceed. If Meath were getting hammered by Tyrone Donegal or Galway or were uncompetitive v these three teams then we u cud say Meath had not a chance. That the opposite is the case that gives us grounds for optimism in Meath and causing massive worries agmost the abms , anybody but Meath brigade.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 968 - 13/04/2019 03:28:59    2178642

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Replying To Furlong1949:  "Firstly I wouldn't judge Meath this year.Judge Meath next year at end of 2020 season. See how they do in divsion 1 next year. It will be hard for Meath to peak twice in this year. There are so many examples of teams having good league then a poor championship. From Loais in 1986 winning the league and then losing to Wicklow in first round. And in this decade Cork kildare Derry Roscommon all had great leagues and had poor championship in the same years. So the odds on Meath having a good championship are low. Personally I think we will get leinster final and perform well v Dublin. But we r looking after at qualifier game after v Donegal ot Tyrone possibly. Both teams again will find it hard to beat Meath and game will be decided in injury time but Donegal and Tyrone wud have to be favourites to win. Until Meath beat a Tyrone or Donegal Meath have to be underdog in those games.

( Just regards Meath v Dublin. Remeber if Meath get to leinster final and dont play semi final in Croker. Meath would be a team who have never won a match in Croke Park going up against Dublin team that has probaly won up to 100 league and championship matchs in Croke Park. A Dublin team that have won 4 All Irelands in a row in Croke Park, A Dublin team that have won 8 leinster in a row in Croke Park and Meath would have no wins in Croker. Remeber the obstacles Meath face if they reach the Leinster final. Basically they wud be playing possibly greatest team ever. So judging Meath on the leinster final performance this year. Seems unfair and will not tell us how good Meath are. See how Meath do if they play Dublin in Navan and how they do if play Dublin in next years championship. Then we will have a truer and proper idea of Meaths ability and worth. )

Secondly it looks possible we will have Meath v Westmeath semi final. That will be 50 50 game in many ways. Westmeath r flying, the only county to win two trophies this spring. Westmeath in the last 20 years always throw the kitchen sink at Meath in the championship. So that is tough game for Meath. But I would be very hopeful Meath will.win. But a loss and run through back door could do this Meath a world of good. In last few years we have been very unlucky in that in our first game in the backdoor has been against Tyrone in 2013 2015 2018 and Donegal in 2017. If we aviod a top team in our first game in backdoor we could on a good run in the backdoor. That cud be our best bet to get super 8.

Thirdly over and over again people on this forum have got it completely wrong about Meath over and over again and allot of people in gaa world have also. Meath are always downgraded and underated even when we won All Irelands. On this forum there was comments before Tyrone game last year , Tyrone wud beat Meath by 10 points or more. We all know how for a point in 7th min of injury time, Tyrone would have been knocked out of championship. Before Donegal game in div 2 final there was comments on this forum that Meath would lose by 10 points. And start of the league 99% people on this forum and gaa world gave Meath no chance of promotion. And many people predicted Meath would get relegated .

It was pretty obvious that if u examined closely that Meath wud put it up Tyrone and Donegal and before the league there was obvious signs Meath would be strong contenders for promotion. I am a bogman from the backwoods of Meath but for me it was pretty obvious Meath would improve this year. I said three years ago Meath wud improve in McEntees third year on this forum. I said last year on this forum we would improve this year and I predicted at the start of the league we wud get promoted on this forum. I gave a number of reasons. why. It wasnt some sort of amazing hindsight to predict that. It was very obvious that Meath wud improve this year.

Regards next year everyone seems to have completely ruled out Meath will survive in div 1. For me I would be very surprised if Meath dont survive in div 1 next year . That is not blind faith. If Meath went up to div 1 anytime in last 7 years to divsion 1, Meath wud be definitely relegated. Next year Meath are promoted at just the right time in this teams development. Meath players peaking , first wave of new talent from best talent Meath have produced since 90s , McEntees fourth year in charge , Navan is one toughest places to win in the country are all reasons why I believe Meath will survive in div 1.

Also the real concrete evidence that Meath would survive, Meath have played div 1 top 8 teams have played them 5 times v division 1 teams in last two years. This is a good way of predicting how Meath will do in divsion 1. If Meath lost and were comfortably beaten in all game v division 1 opposition then people wud have grounds to say Meath will not survive. Why cannot people see the obvious. Meath played 5 times v division 1 in last 2 years and every singles one of those games Meath played really well.and in every single one of those games v division 1 teams Meath were ahead or level in injury time v top teams in country. Surely Meaths excellent performances v Donegal three times Tyrone Roscommon and Galway are signs that Meath will be competitive v div 1 opposition.

People have referenced Cavan Roscommon and kildare failing to stay in div 1 ( Roscommon did stay for two years in a row ). But people are not mentioning that one county stayed in div 1. Galway were promoted to div 1 and stayed. And the county that has similar traits to Galway is Meath.

Both have same sort of sucess , both traditionaly play kicking game , both were the only counties to go toe to toe with kerry Dublin and Cork for 80 years or so and both have no inferior complex and would not be in awe of Dublins and kerrys. Galway feel like they belong in div 1. And yes Meath do feel like they belong in divsion 1. After kerry and Dublin only Meath have spent longer in div 1.

Look at the confidence of some lads here on this forum regards Meath. There. is an inner confidence , cockiness even a touch of arrogance to Meath football. When we are weak this a weakness. We think we r better then say Westmeath and longford . We r not and they beat us in 2015 and 2018. But when we r strong this is strenght. We have a great tradiation v top teams we have a great record v the top teams. This gives Meath and Galway an inner belief v the top teams. Look at Meath performances v Donegal this year and there performances v Tyrone last and results v Roscommon and Galway in the last two years. Are they not signs Meath will be competitive. But people ignore these performances. Meath lost very narrowly to Donegal and Tyrone and drew with Roscommon and defeated Galway. These are all good evidence to suggest Meath will do better then people think or want or need to do.

But I believe Meath will be stronger next year with players like J McEntee and Sullivan peaking , introduction of new talent eg Costello Dunshaughlin, return of players eg lenihan, Jones, Forde , Kennelly and kane. And Meaths record in Navan. Its pretty obvious there is a good chance Meath will do better then people think. Meath like Galway have the tradition and mentality to survive div 1. Look at the below how they are following each others path.

Both Meath and Galway declined after 2001 final. Both Meath and Galway saw their rivals prosper eg Mayo and Dublin
Galway under Walsh were very poor in his first seasons and had bad results
Meath under McEntee were very poor in his first two seasons and had bad results.
Galway under Walsh improved and got promoted in his third year
Meath under McEntee improved and got promoted in his 3rd year.
Galway under Walsh survived in div 1 in his 4th year
Meath under McEntee, will he survive in div 1 in his 4th year.

I believe if u really look closely put away any Meath bias and there allot of supporters here who need and want Meath to reamin down. But if you look at the evidence Meath are getting promoted just at the right time . And in terms stage of team development, returning players , new talent, managers 4th year , Meath inner belief and cockiness , Meath tradition , and Meaths performances v division 1 teams like Donegal in three games v Donegal and in excellent Meath performances v div 1 teams like Galway and Roscommon in last two years. There is evidence to suggest Meath will survive next year. The evidence they woulsnt ie usually people saying Cavan Roscommon and kildare failed to stay div 1 . My response to that is , what about Galway. Are this idea are crap team going nowhere .

If someone says that they havent a clue. Because they haven't seen Meath play with exception of 2 final. Since longford game Meath have changed players, changed coachs and changed tactics. Meath are a changed team. Since Tyrone game Meath have introduced 6 new players to the first 15. This is a very young team only months together. So how can u rate them when u didnt see the heroric performance v Tyrone , excellent first half v Donegal, the never say die spirit v kildare in second half , 65 mins of top class football by Meath v Donegal in Ballybofey and excellent performance v Armagh. Meath have improved. And all the signs in the next decade Meath will be much stronger then in this decade. The signs are there but its up you to ignore the bloody obvious or maybe ur Meath bias doesn't let u see the obvious. Just like when people said Tyrone would hammer Meath last year and people were predicting Meath would be relegated and had no chance of promotion this year. Again people are saying Meath wouldnt survive in divsion 1. I think quite few people will be surprised by Meaths performance in div 1 next year. But the truth is u shouldnt be surprised . The signs are there already that Meath can survive in div 1. Its up to u if u to choose to ignore them or recognise them."
Excellent, well thought out and accurate post

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 16566 - 13/04/2019 06:46:41    2178643

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Replying To realdub:  "Look I'm not putting down Meath, they have progressed and improved, and I welcome that. But to say there's not a lot between them and Kerry is a bit much.
We talk about Mayo having been our closest rivals over the decade, and they were, but it's a little unfair on Kerry when they pushed us to our limits in all our championship meetings over the last 8 years or so, bar the 2015 final and even that could have been snatched with the bounce of a ball.
If Kerry were to play Meath next Sunday in the championship, the kingdom would win by a country mile!"
All messing aside. I honestly don't think so, not saying they wouldn't win, but they wouldn't beat us by a country mile. I don't think Dublin would either tbh. Don't genuinely think we would beat either, but I think and actually it's backed up by performances that we are not as far away as some would think.
Meath despite results over past 2 years were growing, we had some excellent individual players that would walk onto any team in country , but we just couldn't get them to work with cohesiveness, that was mcentee challenge, in year one it was same as previous year , last year it was a slight bit of arrogance that cost us. Mcentee imo this is the first year the team is actually working as a unit and you can see his stamp and indeed nallys stamp all over the team they play with belief in themselves and the system, all out attack and defend to death when needed. Yes they tired v donegal, but that's the first time that has happened , so I'm willing to give them a pass on that, I actually would be astonished if they didn't remain in div 1 next year. The super 8s is tricky depending on where we enter , there is some who think that loosing a semi final to wmeath or whoever would be better than loosing a final to Dublin then facing a resurgent team in last round on a roll probably 6 days later. Particularly as it would mean we have lost two chances of silverware and then have to regroup and go again, very hard to do at seasons end. However I think the goal now is super 8s so despite all that I'd be confident of reaching them.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 16566 - 13/04/2019 07:02:03    2178644

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Replying To Furlong1949:  "Firstly I wouldn't judge Meath this year.Judge Meath next year at end of 2020 season. See how they do in divsion 1 next year. It will be hard for Meath to peak twice in this year. There are so many examples of teams having good league then a poor championship. From Loais in 1986 winning the league and then losing to Wicklow in first round. And in this decade Cork kildare Derry Roscommon all had great leagues and had poor championship in the same years. So the odds on Meath having a good championship are low. Personally I think we will get leinster final and perform well v Dublin. But we r looking after at qualifier game after v Donegal ot Tyrone possibly. Both teams again will find it hard to beat Meath and game will be decided in injury time but Donegal and Tyrone wud have to be favourites to win. Until Meath beat a Tyrone or Donegal Meath have to be underdog in those games.

( Just regards Meath v Dublin. Remeber if Meath get to leinster final and dont play semi final in Croker. Meath would be a team who have never won a match in Croke Park going up against Dublin team that has probaly won up to 100 league and championship matchs in Croke Park. A Dublin team that have won 4 All Irelands in a row in Croke Park, A Dublin team that have won 8 leinster in a row in Croke Park and Meath would have no wins in Croker. Remeber the obstacles Meath face if they reach the Leinster final. Basically they wud be playing possibly greatest team ever. So judging Meath on the leinster final performance this year. Seems unfair and will not tell us how good Meath are. See how Meath do if they play Dublin in Navan and how they do if play Dublin in next years championship. Then we will have a truer and proper idea of Meaths ability and worth. )

Secondly it looks possible we will have Meath v Westmeath semi final. That will be 50 50 game in many ways. Westmeath r flying, the only county to win two trophies this spring. Westmeath in the last 20 years always throw the kitchen sink at Meath in the championship. So that is tough game for Meath. But I would be very hopeful Meath will.win. But a loss and run through back door could do this Meath a world of good. In last few years we have been very unlucky in that in our first game in the backdoor has been against Tyrone in 2013 2015 2018 and Donegal in 2017. If we aviod a top team in our first game in backdoor we could on a good run in the backdoor. That cud be our best bet to get super 8.

Thirdly over and over again people on this forum have got it completely wrong about Meath over and over again and allot of people in gaa world have also. Meath are always downgraded and underated even when we won All Irelands. On this forum there was comments before Tyrone game last year , Tyrone wud beat Meath by 10 points or more. We all know how for a point in 7th min of injury time, Tyrone would have been knocked out of championship. Before Donegal game in div 2 final there was comments on this forum that Meath would lose by 10 points. And start of the league 99% people on this forum and gaa world gave Meath no chance of promotion. And many people predicted Meath would get relegated .

It was pretty obvious that if u examined closely that Meath wud put it up Tyrone and Donegal and before the league there was obvious signs Meath would be strong contenders for promotion. I am a bogman from the backwoods of Meath but for me it was pretty obvious Meath would improve this year. I said three years ago Meath wud improve in McEntees third year on this forum. I said last year on this forum we would improve this year and I predicted at the start of the league we wud get promoted on this forum. I gave a number of reasons. why. It wasnt some sort of amazing hindsight to predict that. It was very obvious that Meath wud improve this year.

Regards next year everyone seems to have completely ruled out Meath will survive in div 1. For me I would be very surprised if Meath dont survive in div 1 next year . That is not blind faith. If Meath went up to div 1 anytime in last 7 years to divsion 1, Meath wud be definitely relegated. Next year Meath are promoted at just the right time in this teams development. Meath players peaking , first wave of new talent from best talent Meath have produced since 90s , McEntees fourth year in charge , Navan is one toughest places to win in the country are all reasons why I believe Meath will survive in div 1.

Also the real concrete evidence that Meath would survive, Meath have played div 1 top 8 teams have played them 5 times v division 1 teams in last two years. This is a good way of predicting how Meath will do in divsion 1. If Meath lost and were comfortably beaten in all game v division 1 opposition then people wud have grounds to say Meath will not survive. Why cannot people see the obvious. Meath played 5 times v division 1 in last 2 years and every singles one of those games Meath played really well.and in every single one of those games v division 1 teams Meath were ahead or level in injury time v top teams in country. Surely Meaths excellent performances v Donegal three times Tyrone Roscommon and Galway are signs that Meath will be competitive v div 1 opposition.

People have referenced Cavan Roscommon and kildare failing to stay in div 1 ( Roscommon did stay for two years in a row ). But people are not mentioning that one county stayed in div 1. Galway were promoted to div 1 and stayed. And the county that has similar traits to Galway is Meath.

Both have same sort of sucess , both traditionaly play kicking game , both were the only counties to go toe to toe with kerry Dublin and Cork for 80 years or so and both have no inferior complex and would not be in awe of Dublins and kerrys. Galway feel like they belong in div 1. And yes Meath do feel like they belong in divsion 1. After kerry and Dublin only Meath have spent longer in div 1.

Look at the confidence of some lads here on this forum regards Meath. There. is an inner confidence , cockiness even a touch of arrogance to Meath football. When we are weak this a weakness. We think we r better then say Westmeath and longford . We r not and they beat us in 2015 and 2018. But when we r strong this is strenght. We have a great tradiation v top teams we have a great record v the top teams. This gives Meath and Galway an inner belief v the top teams. Look at Meath performances v Donegal this year and there performances v Tyrone last and results v Roscommon and Galway in the last two years. Are they not signs Meath will be competitive. But people ignore these performances. Meath lost very narrowly to Donegal and Tyrone and drew with Roscommon and defeated Galway. These are all good evidence to suggest Meath will do better then people think or want or need to do.

But I believe Meath will be stronger next year with players like J McEntee and Sullivan peaking , introduction of new talent eg Costello Dunshaughlin, return of players eg lenihan, Jones, Forde , Kennelly and kane. And Meaths record in Navan. Its pretty obvious there is a good chance Meath will do better then people think. Meath like Galway have the tradition and mentality to survive div 1. Look at the below how they are following each others path.

Both Meath and Galway declined after 2001 final. Both Meath and Galway saw their rivals prosper eg Mayo and Dublin
Galway under Walsh were very poor in his first seasons and had bad results
Meath under McEntee were very poor in his first two seasons and had bad results.
Galway under Walsh improved and got promoted in his third year
Meath under McEntee improved and got promoted in his 3rd year.
Galway under Walsh survived in div 1 in his 4th year
Meath under McEntee, will he survive in div 1 in his 4th year.

I believe if u really look closely put away any Meath bias and there allot of supporters here who need and want Meath to reamin down. But if you look at the evidence Meath are getting promoted just at the right time . And in terms stage of team development, returning players , new talent, managers 4th year , Meath inner belief and cockiness , Meath tradition , and Meaths performances v division 1 teams like Donegal in three games v Donegal and in excellent Meath performances v div 1 teams like Galway and Roscommon in last two years. There is evidence to suggest Meath will survive next year. The evidence they woulsnt ie usually people saying Cavan Roscommon and kildare failed to stay div 1 . My response to that is , what about Galway. Are this idea are crap team going nowhere .

If someone says that they havent a clue. Because they haven't seen Meath play with exception of 2 final. Since longford game Meath have changed players, changed coachs and changed tactics. Meath are a changed team. Since Tyrone game Meath have introduced 6 new players to the first 15. This is a very young team only months together. So how can u rate them when u didnt see the heroric performance v Tyrone , excellent first half v Donegal, the never say die spirit v kildare in second half , 65 mins of top class football by Meath v Donegal in Ballybofey and excellent performance v Armagh. Meath have improved. And all the signs in the next decade Meath will be much stronger then in this decade. The signs are there but its up you to ignore the bloody obvious or maybe ur Meath bias doesn't let u see the obvious. Just like when people said Tyrone would hammer Meath last year and people were predicting Meath would be relegated and had no chance of promotion this year. Again people are saying Meath wouldnt survive in divsion 1. I think quite few people will be surprised by Meaths performance in div 1 next year. But the truth is u shouldnt be surprised . The signs are there already that Meath can survive in div 1. Its up to u if u to choose to ignore them or recognise them."
Me eyes got heavy after the first sentence

The_Biler (Westmeath) - Posts: 84 - 13/04/2019 08:30:52    2178647

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Make no mistake about it Meath have improved. Improved on being a poor side who were a shambles for several years now. That's improvement if you like but as regards winning all Ireland's they are a long long way from even competing in a final. Fellas talking about them being downgraded on this site mustn't be used to reading about other counties who are far better placed over the past 20 years. Talking about how people said they'd be hammered by 10 points by Tyrone and sure so what look at Kildare beating Mayo and after a similar scenario and what of it. Jays , will you go way outa that with your essay of self indulgent horse manure. Meath are deserving contenders for a Leinster final and will do well to stay in Division 1 nothing more. Kerry will be the next major team on the block and even now would easily beat Meath wherever it was played.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1361 - 13/04/2019 09:41:16    2178650

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Replying To royaldunne:  "All messing aside. I honestly don't think so, not saying they wouldn't win, but they wouldn't beat us by a country mile. I don't think Dublin would either tbh. Don't genuinely think we would beat either, but I think and actually it's backed up by performances that we are not as far away as some would think.
Meath despite results over past 2 years were growing, we had some excellent individual players that would walk onto any team in country , but we just couldn't get them to work with cohesiveness, that was mcentee challenge, in year one it was same as previous year , last year it was a slight bit of arrogance that cost us. Mcentee imo this is the first year the team is actually working as a unit and you can see his stamp and indeed nallys stamp all over the team they play with belief in themselves and the system, all out attack and defend to death when needed. Yes they tired v donegal, but that's the first time that has happened , so I'm willing to give them a pass on that, I actually would be astonished if they didn't remain in div 1 next year. The super 8s is tricky depending on where we enter , there is some who think that loosing a semi final to wmeath or whoever would be better than loosing a final to Dublin then facing a resurgent team in last round on a roll probably 6 days later. Particularly as it would mean we have lost two chances of silverware and then have to regroup and go again, very hard to do at seasons end. However I think the goal now is super 8s so despite all that I'd be confident of reaching them."
Super 8s is surely the minimum requirement for Meath now this year since the draw was made. You avoid Dublin until the final meaning even losing the final you only have to win a single match to be in the Super 8s. I admire your optimism on being "astonished" if you don't stay in div 1 next year. Historically it's very hard for the promoted teams to hang in their and I think most people would say Donegal are better equipped for div 1 than Meath are. Meath traditionally are tough and competitive when it's put up to them but you would look at the other team's in div 1 and say they have that little bit more. I expect to see Meath in a Leinster Final and I expect them to not let Dublin have it all their own way but come up short. Even being in a final would bring them on. Good luck with it.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 838 - 13/04/2019 10:36:52    2178652

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Jeepers there might be life in the Leinster Championship yet with all this passion. Fair play.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3351 - 13/04/2019 10:55:43    2178655

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I'm looking forward to this year's Leinster championship, be interesting to see how it pans out.

Focusing on ourselves, no disrespect but I expect to beat Offaly and Carlow, if we do then we'll have a tough semi against either Laois or Westmeath. We really should be getting to a Leinster final given our performances this year but both Laois & Westmeath gained promotion themselves and won't fear Meath one bit.

If we get to the Leinster final, then it's going to be against Dublin (unless Kildare pull off something special) and I'd expect us to beat them to be honest. They're a little bit cocky, little bit soft, I think the blue wave has finally broken and it's rolling back, no better team than the Royals to put them backnin their place, enjoy the summer lads ;-)

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8402 - 13/04/2019 12:21:21    2178661

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Meath as I said before will not let go of division 1 status, like Galway, they worked hard for it. I think Meath will be ready for the Dubs in championship 2020. Optimistic that Gaelic Football is heading in right direction. It would be nice to see the Dubs get the 5, no county can complain. The league next year will be awesome.

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1346 - 13/04/2019 14:26:02    2178667

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I'll try this again. Hopefully post approved this time.

Preliminary Round:
Louth v Wexford...........Louth
Kildare v Wicklow..........Kildare
Meath v Offaly...............Meath

Quarter-Finals:
Dubs v Louth..................Dubs
Kildare v Longford.........Longford
Meath v Carlow..............Meath
Westmeath v Laois........Westmeath

Semi-Finals:
Dubs v Longford.................Dubs
Meath v Westmeath.......Meath

Final:
Dubs v Meath..................Dubs

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 13/04/2019 15:32:54    2178672

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Jeepers there might be life in the Leinster Championship yet with all this passion. Fair play."
And that's what we all want a competitive leinster championship with rival counties going to war just like it used to be and will be again. Just don't understand when posters try to knock a county showing a bit of promise especially one that's not afraid of the big two dublin and Kerry.

Royal.Legend (Meath) - Posts: 429 - 13/04/2019 15:44:36    2178674

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Replying To catch22:  "Make no mistake about it Meath have improved. Improved on being a poor side who were a shambles for several years now. That's improvement if you like but as regards winning all Ireland's they are a long long way from even competing in a final. Fellas talking about them being downgraded on this site mustn't be used to reading about other counties who are far better placed over the past 20 years. Talking about how people said they'd be hammered by 10 points by Tyrone and sure so what look at Kildare beating Mayo and after a similar scenario and what of it. Jays , will you go way outa that with your essay of self indulgent horse manure. Meath are deserving contenders for a Leinster final and will do well to stay in Division 1 nothing more. Kerry will be the next major team on the block and even now would easily beat Meath wherever it was played."
No one is saying in Meath we will be soon be competiting in All Ireland finals. There is no evidence to suggest that Meath will reach an All-Ireland final or win Sam in next decade. No one in Meath is predicting that or expecting that.

This is what Meath supporters are hoping for. Not to get kerry or Dublin levels but over next few years to get to Monaghans level. Our aim is to what Monaghan have done . Stay in div 1 for a 5 or 6 years , be competitive at super 8 level and win provicial title in next 5 or 6 years. Thats what we are aiming for realistically. No one in Meath expects to win Sam or reach All Ireland final soon. We are years and years and years away from that level. If stay in div 1 for a couple of years and win leinster title in coming years that is the aim.

Regards People saying Tyrone wud hammer Meath. Im not making this up. Before Tyrone game many people were predicting Tyrone wud hammer Meath on this forum and elsewhere. The same thing was said before we played Donegal Galway and Roscommon. Theres nothing wrong with that. Im just saying that people were wrong about Meath getting hammered by Tyrone and Donegal. Maybe people will be wrong that when they say Meath will be relegated. Thats what Im.trying to say. People got it wrong about Tyrone and Donegal hammering us. And maybe they are wrong when they say we will be relegated.

Regards Meath have always had their achievements have been downgraded and never recognised. We won All Irelands and we never recognised for those achievements. Those achievements were downgraded. I can gve u countless examples. Meath won an All Ireland in 1996 , along with kerry team of 1975 the two youngest teams ever to win Sam. Meath won Sam in 96 with 7 under 21 players..It would be like kerry winning Sam last year with 7 players like Clifford and O Se. Meaths best players were 20 years of age in 96 eg Fay Giles. In both finals Meath were 6 points down with 15 mins. In both finals Meath showed remarkable courage and bravery for such young team to haul in 6 point Mayo lead in both games. Meath dominated last 15 mins in both games. Meath scored 6 points to Mayo none in last 15 mins of drawn game. Meath scored 1 - 3 in last 15 mins of replay to Mayos 1 point. And Brendan Reilly scored best point to win a final in last 50 years , better then Cluxtons in 11. The two finals were greatest display of never day spirit courage and bravey ever seen by a young team in All Ireland final ever. Give another example of a group of under 21 players winning Sam and give another example og under 21s making such great comebacks in All Ireland finals . Closing 6 point leads in last 15 mins of finals is very unusual .

Meath forward line of that day is one best forward lines of last 25 years with Tommy Dowd Tevour Giles Graham Geraghty Evan Kelly Brendan Reilly Ollie Murphy. That team along with kerry team of 1975 are the two greatest young teams to ever win Sam. Players like Pat Spillane in 1975 and Darren Fay in 1996 were still under 21 players. U dont win All Irelands with ur best players still playing under 21 football. If that Meath played Mayo ten times Meath would have won ten times. Because Mayo had good backs and good midfield but there forwards were not good enough to win Sam. Tommy Dowd Trevor Graham Geraghty Evan Kelly Brendan Reilly Ollie Murphy is a different league to Mayos forward line of John Casey Colm McMenanin James Horan Anthony Finnerty. Thats why Meath could score 6 points in last 15 mins of both games and Mayo had massive problems scoring a single point in last 15 mins of both games. Not one of Mayo players could have scored Reillys exquisite winning point from such a tight angle.
Regards McHale sending of. McHale was at midfield for the whole first game and he couldn't stop Meath taking controll of last 15 mins at midfield and Meath scoring 6 unanswered points. Mayo didnt have the forwards to win Sam in 1996. It is impossible to win Sam without top class forwards. Meath forward line was full of top class forwards. Mayo didnt have one.

Thats what happened in 1996. But all.we have heard since was three things 1 Ball bouncing bar after Coyle kick 2 Franca 3 McHale sent off. Thats all.we have heard since. Mayo stole the narrative. And Meaths great achievement was downgraded. Because Mayo couldnt take their beating. Thats what we mean by downgraded. And I can give countless nore example of Meath winning All Ireland finals , winning All Ireland semi finals winning leinster titles and putting brillant performances v Kerry Dublin Tyrone and Meath never got credit we deserved for that. So thats what I mean. Sorry for bringing up 1996 in leinster championship thread. But Im just trying to explain.what I meant by in the GAA all Meaths achievements are always downgraded and lessened and never given full credit for what we achieve.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 968 - 13/04/2019 15:57:44    2178675

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i think westmeath will beat laois and will not fear meath in a potential semi final . we have done all that was asked so far and a crack at meath would be worth waiting for . so lets see what happens

mickcunningham (Westmeath) - Posts: 1213 - 13/04/2019 15:58:29    2178676

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Replying To catch22:  "Make no mistake about it Meath have improved. Improved on being a poor side who were a shambles for several years now. That's improvement if you like but as regards winning all Ireland's they are a long long way from even competing in a final. Fellas talking about them being downgraded on this site mustn't be used to reading about other counties who are far better placed over the past 20 years. Talking about how people said they'd be hammered by 10 points by Tyrone and sure so what look at Kildare beating Mayo and after a similar scenario and what of it. Jays , will you go way outa that with your essay of self indulgent horse manure. Meath are deserving contenders for a Leinster final and will do well to stay in Division 1 nothing more. Kerry will be the next major team on the block and even now would easily beat Meath wherever it was played."
And please point to ONE , yes ONE SINGLE POST that said we are all ire contenders?? Honestly just cause you say we did doesn't make it true. And you say others talking horse manure. !!!!

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 16566 - 13/04/2019 16:20:57    2178679

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Replying To Htaem:  "I'm looking forward to this year's Leinster championship, be interesting to see how it pans out.

Focusing on ourselves, no disrespect but I expect to beat Offaly and Carlow, if we do then we'll have a tough semi against either Laois or Westmeath. We really should be getting to a Leinster final given our performances this year but both Laois & Westmeath gained promotion themselves and won't fear Meath one bit.

If we get to the Leinster final, then it's going to be against Dublin (unless Kildare pull off something special) and I'd expect us to beat them to be honest. They're a little bit cocky, little bit soft, I think the blue wave has finally broken and it's rolling back, no better team than the Royals to put them backnin their place, enjoy the summer lads ;-)"
That's more like it. You forgot the dodgy keeper though. :)
Hon the royal

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 16566 - 13/04/2019 16:23:26    2178680

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Replying To mickcunningham:  "i think westmeath will beat laois and will not fear meath in a potential semi final . we have done all that was asked so far and a crack at meath would be worth waiting for . so lets see what happens"
That's the semi final opponent I want.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 16566 - 13/04/2019 16:25:42    2178681

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Replying To Htaem:  "I'm looking forward to this year's Leinster championship, be interesting to see how it pans out.

Focusing on ourselves, no disrespect but I expect to beat Offaly and Carlow, if we do then we'll have a tough semi against either Laois or Westmeath. We really should be getting to a Leinster final given our performances this year but both Laois & Westmeath gained promotion themselves and won't fear Meath one bit.

If we get to the Leinster final, then it's going to be against Dublin (unless Kildare pull off something special) and I'd expect us to beat them to be honest. They're a little bit cocky, little bit soft, I think the blue wave has finally broken and it's rolling back, no better team than the Royals to put them backnin their place, enjoy the summer lads ;-)"
We are there to be shot at alright, hopefully we can just about pip yee.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3351 - 13/04/2019 16:51:20    2178682

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