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Green-clad Nigel Farage. Theres a few of ye about alright!
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 21/03/2019 05:58:41 2174099 Link 1 |
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Your opinion, I see nothing wrong with having pride in your own country but it's obvious you don't feel the same. Have a nice day.
cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 454 - 21/03/2019 20:16:07 2174255 Link 2 |
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If it wasn't for the Troika we'd be a third world country.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 21/03/2019 21:34:10 2174265 Link 3 |
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La brea chugat freisin. Taim ar aonfhocail leat gur rud maith e a bheith brod ag duine ina ait duchas
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 22/03/2019 00:11:18 2174291 Link 1 |
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The Troika who insisted we pay even the unsecured bondholders, who along with the EU Commisioner reneged on their promise on the banking debt & foisted the largest sovereign debt in Europe on the shoulders of ordinary Irish taxpayers. They ensured the European banks & Investment houses of which some of them had previous links with got their money, even unsecured debt. Interesting that some high profile members of the Troika have since said that they made major errors & that Irish taxpayers should never have had the level of punishment placed on them. Remember these people & our Govt thought it was ok to take funding away from disabled children at the time whilst our bankers, developers & Europen speculators escaped Scot free. Anyone who thinks we owe a debt of gratitude to the Troika is very naive.
Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 409 - 22/03/2019 00:54:11 2174297 Link 4 |
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History beckons - can we deliver or will we be silent cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1673 - 22/03/2019 12:23:07 2174345 Link 1 |
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Complete nonsense_The German banks / bond holders (and the French plus others) lent the money to business via our banks which were not able to give it back-they should have paid for the price of their losses, as that is how financial markets is supposed to operate. The bondholders could have insured for losses but because of greed the opted for higher interest rates with no insurance. We tax payers were taken to the cleaners and had / have to pay for the lot. If we did not pay a few German banks would have gone down unless supported by their own government. To make matters worse we then proceeded to sell our property to more bondholders for 10 to 20% of its value-could the process have been carried out more incompetently?- I think not.
browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 22/03/2019 12:35:13 2174352 Link 6 |
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Many will be silent, and many on here are calling for the GAA to be silent. I, like yourself and most on this island, would welcome a United Ireland. I am not a Sinn Fein supporter and wouldn't use them or any party as the most appropriate platform for the expression of a nationalist standpoint. The GAA on the other hand, as I pointed out in a previous post, would represent one of the biggest (if not the biggest) outlets for cross-community harmony in a united Ireland. For this reason, and the fact that the vast majority of their members are of the nationalist persuasion, they have a responsibility not to be silent on this issue. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 22/03/2019 13:26:12 2174367 Link 1 |
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I might not see it in my lifetime but bring it on. OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 22/03/2019 13:39:27 2174370 Link 1 |
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Somebody mentioned 'green clad Farage' above, I think that is appropriate here! We've seen this rhetoric before in the UK. Blame the EU for everything and take no responsibility ourselves. It was our governments who let the banks run loose and and had terrible spending policies throughout the celtic tiger years. Reeling in the years was on the other night about 2001, and in that year the EU were being critical of our financial policies, saying they were wreckless, but Charlie McCreevy paid no attention and brought in the SSIA scheme instead!
himachechy (Donegal) - Posts: 293 - 22/03/2019 15:36:40 2174391 Link 6 |
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It was an Irish government promise to fully guarantee the bonds which put the nail in our economic coffin. This promise was made based on bad information supplied to the government by Irish banks and Irish bankers. Everything that followed, was a natural progression from that decision. So since then, the question should be what has the Irish government do to make sure Irish banks are better regulated, transparent and answerable? The international bodies are easy whipping boys, just like they were for Farage and his cronies in Britain. The truth is, it was an Irish problem; the Troika wouldn't have had any reason to come to our country if we hadn't needed them to; simple as that. But Irish people who were busy flying to NYC for shopping trips, having three holidays a year, buying investment property in eastern Europe, building macmansions down every country lane, and driving countless bloody landrovers, didn't want to lift their heads long enough to question anything, and when that BIFFO promised a soft landing, it was all we wanted to hear. festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3097 - 22/03/2019 16:36:25 2174399 Link 4 |
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Very late in the game to be putting in my two cents on this but here goes. In my personal view; the individual can campaign for whatever they desire. This poll will happen in years to come, be it 5,10,20,50 etc. The issue is to ensure that the unification side wins, because if it lost then partition could last indefinitely. Who really knows? Like every other red blooded Irish person Id love to see the day when the whole island was one state. However, the realisation of that isnt going to come in the form people envisage. We in the south may need to change the anthem, flag, and centres of political power to Belfast, as well as Dublin. We will also very likely need to contend with British overwatch and links on unionist/protestant communities, which arent going to magically vanish over the next 3/4 generations as some people seem to believe. The new 32 county state would need to give concessions to the Unionist community as a foundational building block. In order for all of this to happen, the biggest game changer will be the economic sense of continued partition/or unification, ie: if it makes sense in financial terms, the 32 county state could be an inevitability. Money talks. Hard-lined stances will scare away the people on the island we want to convince to join us. The GAA to them represents the balaclava and the armalite, and across the south there are thousands of people, like myself, who would be disheartened if the GAA directly tried to intervene. There is also a slight cultural divide between people in the republic and Northern nationalists in relation to the GAA. I believe the poll will come in time, but id concentrate on building bridges (or attempting) with unionists then dragging out a lost cause, which the GAA would represent. Young_gael (Meath) - Posts: 587 - 22/03/2019 17:05:26 2174404 Link 7 |
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Maybe. But I don't think that the government at the time were capable of getting us out of the mess. Arguably the current government are less worried about spending taxpayers money, rather to be seen as spending money is a good thing rather than showing how efffectively they are doing it. Burning the bondholders meant no-one would lend us money at reasonable rates. Ideally we wouldn't need the EU or low interest rates for foreign industry to keep our economy going. The banks still run the country. Incentivizing new home buyers when there are plenty of decent older houses means 'bankrupt' developers will continue to thrive and laugh at the law.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 22/03/2019 18:00:10 2174416 Link 3 |
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i never said the Irish people weren't partly to blame for the financial debacle of the 00s. They got on the gravy train & wouldn't get off. that doesn't absolve the EU of its complicity in the event. The EU pumped billions into 1 of the largest ponzi scheme's the world has ever seen, then pulled the rug out from under the Irish people. Ireland should have done what Iceland did & flipped them the Bird. A United Ireland would be the Silver Lining out of the Brexit cloud. Also Brexit is for the UK to decide, unfortunately Ireland is along for the ride & i don't trust the horse they're on. cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 454 - 22/03/2019 18:52:05 2174420 Link 1 |
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I could be mistaken but the urgency to call for the border poll by republicans and nationalists is really an attempt to get the ball rolling so to speak. I think once the original poll is called then it has to be repeated every 7 years as it was stipulated in the GFA that this would be the way forward. So even if a Poll failed next year it might pass in another 7. Line I said I could be wrong but I think it's something along those lines.
seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 22/03/2019 20:27:07 2174437 Link 0 |
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Good man, maybe you should have read my post & the post I was responding to first before you made your point & label me as a green Farage. The point made was that the Troika saved us from being a third world country & my reply was in relation to that. At no point did I condone our Govt & Banks, we all acknowledge their incompetence. Yes we were failed by our own leadership, but if you think the EU haven't failed us you obviously don't realise what austerity is & what our national debt is, imposed on Irish taxpayers. I wonder what age you are, when you reference the SSIA scheme as part of the downfall. The crash had nothing to do with the SSIA scheme which was in fact a very good scheme. For all those Eurocrats like yourself, your soon going to see what they think of us when they standardise Corporation Tax & kill FDI into this country & bring it instead to the top 5 in mainland Europe. When you read posts on here, it's no surprise we are a mess as a nation, so divided in every way & no balls to stand our ground, always bending the knee.
Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 409 - 22/03/2019 21:14:09 2174443 Link 0 |
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Again nobody is condoning the incompetence of our Govt & Banks. Not everybody partied like you are implying, in fact a minority did, but the majority paid the price. People who think the Troika did us a favour are not clued in, they ensured that the Banks & Investment houses of Europe got paid first & placed the largest sovereign debt in Europe on ordinary Irish taxpayers, who didn't fly to NYC, drive a land rover, build a mansion, buy a holiday home or have 3 holidays s year. I didn't do any of that, paid highest rate of tax & watched young disabled people with nothing struggle to fight for basic rights that this Govt & the Troika insisted were taken for them. The real "whipping boys" were Irish taxpayers not the international bodies. Tell me what Christine Lagarde did since after imposing austerity on us ?
Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 409 - 22/03/2019 21:35:22 2174446 Link 0 |
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I'm not a Eurocrat, and don't know how all the finances to and from Brussels work. Was just doubting the Irish government's abilities to steer us through the crisis without the Troika to put manners on them. Fine Gael, in their last election seemed happy to gloss over the troika's involvement, painting it like they recovered the the economy. Not everyone has seen a recovery. I think they misjudged them sentiment of tge electorate. Plenty of mistakes were made by government and the troika. Many love criticising politicians. No matter what they do or how they end yp I have to admire them for being active, trying to make changes. It's easy for us on keyboards, they put their necks on the line.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 22/03/2019 22:01:56 2174455 Link 3 |
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The EU and the Euro are not one in the same. There certainly is something to be said for the Euro not being good for Irish interests. Less so the EU, certainly at this point in time. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 22/03/2019 22:05:04 2174457 Link 4 |
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I doubt love the term nationalist. I would be very much of the broad persuasion that Northern Ireland would be better served as being part of a united Ireland rather than a part of the UK. It would still depend on the details of how that was negotiated. I couldn't be for a united Ireland at all costs. A united Ireland at the end of the day doesn't put food on my table or anyone else's table. To be stable a united Ireland would have to work and work for a large majority of the country across the entire island. I am a member of the GAA not because it is a nationalist organisation, but because it is a sporting cultural organisation. That is why despite being broadly in favour of a united Ireland you or Joe Brolly or anyone else should not be leveraging my membership of the organisation for your own agendas. If you don't like the current political parties but want a united Ireland set up your own party and appeal to me and others through that. The right channel to discuss the shape of a united Ireland is in the political arena not the GAA. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 22/03/2019 22:15:56 2174459 Link 7 |