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Replying To Greenfield: "Wouldn't be surprised if Jim's mind was made up about the league after the game down in Tralee. Get enough points to stay up and leave it at that.
They saw a hungry young Kerry team down there. However beating Dublin in Tralee is a long way off beating them in Croke Park in a big game. Why give the young Kerry players a chance to learn how to do that in a league final? Let them try to learn on their feet on the biggest day of all...." That's a good one, so Dublin got beat by Kerry in Kilarney by 1 point and decided to forfeit the league there and then... that's some wild chat lad.
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Replying To Greenfield: "Wouldn't be surprised if Jim's mind was made up about the league after the game down in Tralee. Get enough points to stay up and leave it at that.
They saw a hungry young Kerry team down there. However beating Dublin in Tralee is a long way off beating them in Croke Park in a big game. Why give the young Kerry players a chance to learn how to do that in a league final? Let them try to learn on their feet on the biggest day of all...." He doesn't operate like that Dublin go out to win every game but we got bet by the better team on the night it happens, no team wins forever no matter how much money and population you slag us off with these are once in a lifetime Dublin players it won't last forever Con and his age group are the last group to make an impact on our senior panel and their 23 now nothing I see coming after them so while I'm still very confident of winning a few more all Ireland's better teams will eventually come along to beat us.
Zero worries from me once we've everyone fit for super 8'a still very confident of victory.
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Replying To clondalkindub: "He doesn't operate like that Dublin go out to win every game but we got bet by the better team on the night it happens, no team wins forever no matter how much money and population you slag us off with these are once in a lifetime Dublin players it won't last forever Con and his age group are the last group to make an impact on our senior panel and their 23 now nothing I see coming after them so while I'm still very confident of winning a few more all Ireland's better teams will eventually come along to beat us.
Zero worries from me once we've everyone fit for super 8'a still very confident of victory." Clondalkin can i ask you do you think Con has bulked up too much?
Might sound silly but he looks totally different to that eletric forward that burst on to the team a few years back.
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Replying To westkerry: "Clondalkin can i ask you do you think Con has bulked up too much?
Might sound silly but he looks totally different to that eletric forward that burst on to the team a few years back." Genuinely don't think so and the time to really judge that is in the summer heat in a big super 8's game , he was motm last game out. Him Kilkenny and McCarthy are massive right now they've bulked up something else check out James in '11 to now he's huge.
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Hard luck tonight. I was just reading that ye had 12 of the team that won the allireland in 2018 and Tyrone were down to 14 men for 25 mins of the second half." Well spotted.
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Replying To clondalkindub: "He doesn't operate like that Dublin go out to win every game but we got bet by the better team on the night it happens, no team wins forever no matter how much money and population you slag us off with these are once in a lifetime Dublin players it won't last forever Con and his age group are the last group to make an impact on our senior panel and their 23 now nothing I see coming after them so while I'm still very confident of winning a few more all Ireland's better teams will eventually come along to beat us.
Zero worries from me once we've everyone fit for super 8'a still very confident of victory." Spot on Clon.
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Replying To superbluedub: "Correct who was disputing that in this game?, likewise there's no disputing said full back line have got it right when it has really mattered." That's fine lad...keep the head in the sand...Monaghan, Kerry and now Tyrone have used the kicking game to great effect...as I said I just watched the Dublin full back line being torn apart again
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Replying To mayotyroneman: "That's fine lad...keep the head in the sand...Monaghan, Kerry and now Tyrone have used the kicking game to great effect...as I said I just watched the Dublin full back line being torn apart again" Pity it's taken them so long to identify that fraility. How many of that Dublin full back line started last year's AI final? I've been hearing about this weak FB line since 2010 yet when at full strength it is rarely in trouble. There'll be no mark come the Summer when it matters and when the Dubs are at full strength and playing for history.
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Replying To mayotyroneman: "That's fine lad...keep the head in the sand...Monaghan, Kerry and now Tyrone have used the kicking game to great effect...as I said I just watched the Dublin full back line being torn apart again" That Dublin team who's full back line has been torn apart again won the same amount of all Ireland's in the past 4 years as your two teams (mayo and tyrone) have combined in the last 68 years.
I hope we improve cause we've had it tough for years now with our inability to defend on the way to 4 leagues in a row, and 6 of the last 8 all irelands, maybe if we where solid we would win no national titles in the last 4 years or so. Ah well.
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Replying To waynoI: "That Dublin team who's full back line has been torn apart again won the same amount of all Ireland's in the past 4 years as your two teams (mayo and tyrone) have combined in the last 68 years.
I hope we improve cause we've had it tough for years now with our inability to defend on the way to 4 leagues in a row, and 6 of the last 8 all irelands, maybe if we where solid we would win no national titles in the last 4 years or so. Ah well." Oooooh what a burn!! *insert thumbs up emoji
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Replying To mayotyroneman: "That's fine lad...keep the head in the sand...Monaghan, Kerry and now Tyrone have used the kicking game to great effect...as I said I just watched the Dublin full back line being torn apart again" Lad really ,you have got it all wrong , your head is in the sand , worry about your own team , who I have seen been rediculed by Dublin for years , but yet you feel , a win over Dublin in March is something to crow about whatever floats your boat lad.
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Replying To superbluedub: "Lad really ,you have got it all wrong , your head is in the sand , worry about your own team , who I have seen been rediculed by Dublin for years , but yet you feel , a win over Dublin in March is something to crow about whatever floats your boat lad." Sorry?...crowing?...just stating a fact that I watched the Dublin full back line being torn apart yet again...awful sensitive these dubs....
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Replying To waynoI: "That Dublin team who's full back line has been torn apart again won the same amount of all Ireland's in the past 4 years as your two teams (mayo and tyrone) have combined in the last 68 years.
I hope we improve cause we've had it tough for years now with our inability to defend on the way to 4 leagues in a row, and 6 of the last 8 all irelands, maybe if we where solid we would win no national titles in the last 4 years or so. Ah well." Just stating a fact that last night I watched the Dublin full back line being torn apart...I don't recall making any reference to the ability or otherwise of the Dublin full back line in previous all Ireland or league campaigns...oh..yes and Monaghan and Kerry did the same in the past few weeks
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Well now, what a memorable night of Dublin GAA action. Absolutely terrific result by the Dublin hurlers down in Thurlas I think that's our first win down there since the 40s, so that and their going in the league generally is great. Who would have thought they would have had more skin in the game then the footballers at this time of year.
And so our stranglehold on the NFL came to an end in the home of Dublin football last night. Was a very unusual Dublin performence and if I'm being honest an unusual approach to the league this year by Dublin.
That's not to take anything away from Tyrone's performence last night, thought they were terrific. Hungrier and more determined and wanted the win far more then Dublin. They played the usual Tyrone system of the blanket and counter and a hybrid marking system of high press, zonal and man to man at times.
Dublin shuffled the pack a bit and had a bit of an experimental full back line with Cooper in at corner back, Davy Byrne at 3 and young O Connor in the other corner. And Small joining, Cian and McCarthy rapt half back, Howard and Fenton in the middle and with Kilkenny coming in with the forwards for the last game.
A bit of shadow boxing really early doors and was looking a routine Dublin win for a bit, the game got a bit spicy then and some big hits started going in, if I'm honest I thought Tyrone bullied Dublin a bit and certainly knocked us a bit of kilter. Tyrone stuck to their game, they let their blanket absorb everything and then hit on the counter. They did fantastically well, by long kicking or breaking at pace. Dublin played into their hands a fair bit committing players forward and then getting caught at the back. It was a sloppy enough performence from Dublin in that they gave away an awful lot of turnover, took poor shooting chances and over complicated their general play. To be frank Dublin were second to everything on the night and Tyrone won the battle both on and off the pitch, Tyrone just kept Dublin at arms length all night. Full value for their win.
I'd agree with the poster who said the Dublin back line was tore apart, I think we experimented a bit with the line last night and it just didn't work, it let us down all night. Elsewise I thought Dublin were shocked by the intensity Tyrone brought, they were certainly up for this game and they brought championship pitch and pace to the game that Dublin just couldn't match, we looked surprised by it. Harte also one the tactical battle. In all honesty the Dublin forwards were swallowed up by the Tyrone blanket, so nothing really to report there. Kilkenny looked a bit of the pace for me, Costello went off injured hopefully not to serious. In all honesty there were 26 men in Tyrone scoring zone so it was very congested and we over elaborated. So absolute loads for us to be working on.
Not many pluses to take, one thing I was pleased about was seeing Bernard Brogan on the bench, hope to see him down in Brefffni next week. I said all year I wasn't to pushed on the league as it would teach us nothing, if the Championship players got a decent rest and we blooded a few new faces, we've done that so I'm not to bothered about not being in the league final. I think our approach to the league has been a bit different this year, whether it's managing the hype machine for the summer is speculative but I've my suspicions. We haven't been our best this league in fact miles off what we know we can bring, but nothing happens in the Dublin squad without design so in Jim we trust, we've given absolutely nothing away tactically this league. Hatred comments after the game last night were very telling.
I think some teams will be disappointed not to get a crack at us in the league final as that is brilliant exopierence to test yourselfs. On last nights showing I think Tyrone remain the second best team in the country, I think they are massively underatted and while their was context to the Monaghan and Kerry losses, I thought Tyrone were the best team we have played this year. I'd see them as our main rival as with Offaly in the 80s they've had a good run at us over a number of years, getting closer game by game.
So a trip to Breffni week, before we go onto our long conclave for the summer and our date with destiny, were we should be fresh and rested. We will take our licking this Spring and be nice to see a new team win some silverware for the variance. Would like to see Mayo with a national title for all they have contributed to this era.
I think in all honesty we are still the team to beat and who teams will look to beat, think we will be a different proposition in the summer, I think we will be there or thereabouts.
Best of luck to all still in with a chance of getting to the final.
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Replying To waynoI: "That Dublin team who's full back line has been torn apart again won the same amount of all Ireland's in the past 4 years as your two teams (mayo and tyrone) have combined in the last 68 years.
I hope we improve cause we've had it tough for years now with our inability to defend on the way to 4 leagues in a row, and 6 of the last 8 all irelands, maybe if we where solid we would win no national titles in the last 4 years or so. Ah well." How the f*** did we get dragged into this argument!
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Replying To TheUsername: "Well now, what a memorable night of Dublin GAA action. Absolutely terrific result by the Dublin hurlers down in Thurlas I think that's our first win down there since the 40s, so that and their going in the league generally is great. Who would have thought they would have had more skin in the game then the footballers at this time of year.
And so our stranglehold on the NFL came to an end in the home of Dublin football last night. Was a very unusual Dublin performence and if I'm being honest an unusual approach to the league this year by Dublin.
That's not to take anything away from Tyrone's performence last night, thought they were terrific. Hungrier and more determined and wanted the win far more then Dublin. They played the usual Tyrone system of the blanket and counter and a hybrid marking system of high press, zonal and man to man at times.
Dublin shuffled the pack a bit and had a bit of an experimental full back line with Cooper in at corner back, Davy Byrne at 3 and young O Connor in the other corner. And Small joining, Cian and McCarthy rapt half back, Howard and Fenton in the middle and with Kilkenny coming in with the forwards for the last game.
A bit of shadow boxing really early doors and was looking a routine Dublin win for a bit, the game got a bit spicy then and some big hits started going in, if I'm honest I thought Tyrone bullied Dublin a bit and certainly knocked us a bit of kilter. Tyrone stuck to their game, they let their blanket absorb everything and then hit on the counter. They did fantastically well, by long kicking or breaking at pace. Dublin played into their hands a fair bit committing players forward and then getting caught at the back. It was a sloppy enough performence from Dublin in that they gave away an awful lot of turnover, took poor shooting chances and over complicated their general play. To be frank Dublin were second to everything on the night and Tyrone won the battle both on and off the pitch, Tyrone just kept Dublin at arms length all night. Full value for their win.
I'd agree with the poster who said the Dublin back line was tore apart, I think we experimented a bit with the line last night and it just didn't work, it let us down all night. Elsewise I thought Dublin were shocked by the intensity Tyrone brought, they were certainly up for this game and they brought championship pitch and pace to the game that Dublin just couldn't match, we looked surprised by it. Harte also one the tactical battle. In all honesty the Dublin forwards were swallowed up by the Tyrone blanket, so nothing really to report there. Kilkenny looked a bit of the pace for me, Costello went off injured hopefully not to serious. In all honesty there were 26 men in Tyrone scoring zone so it was very congested and we over elaborated. So absolute loads for us to be working on.
Not many pluses to take, one thing I was pleased about was seeing Bernard Brogan on the bench, hope to see him down in Brefffni next week. I said all year I wasn't to pushed on the league as it would teach us nothing, if the Championship players got a decent rest and we blooded a few new faces, we've done that so I'm not to bothered about not being in the league final. I think our approach to the league has been a bit different this year, whether it's managing the hype machine for the summer is speculative but I've my suspicions. We haven't been our best this league in fact miles off what we know we can bring, but nothing happens in the Dublin squad without design so in Jim we trust, we've given absolutely nothing away tactically this league. Hatred comments after the game last night were very telling.
I think some teams will be disappointed not to get a crack at us in the league final as that is brilliant exopierence to test yourselfs. On last nights showing I think Tyrone remain the second best team in the country, I think they are massively underatted and while their was context to the Monaghan and Kerry losses, I thought Tyrone were the best team we have played this year. I'd see them as our main rival as with Offaly in the 80s they've had a good run at us over a number of years, getting closer game by game.
So a trip to Breffni week, before we go onto our long conclave for the summer and our date with destiny, were we should be fresh and rested. We will take our licking this Spring and be nice to see a new team win some silverware for the variance. Would like to see Mayo with a national title for all they have contributed to this era.
I think in all honesty we are still the team to beat and who teams will look to beat, think we will be a different proposition in the summer, I think we will be there or thereabouts.
Best of luck to all still in with a chance of getting to the final." Dublin's full back line was utterly abysmal the only saving grace for them is in the championship there is no mark, which has distorted a lot of teams performances in the league so far. Gavin experimented and I think on what I have seen few of these "tryers" are going to wear a blue shirt in championship. Ditto for a few of the oldies on the panel. Aside from all that what the hell was the Tyrone keeper at? Reckless endangerment!
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Replying To TheUsername: "Well now, what a memorable night of Dublin GAA action. Absolutely terrific result by the Dublin hurlers down in Thurlas I think that's our first win down there since the 40s, so that and their going in the league generally is great. Who would have thought they would have had more skin in the game then the footballers at this time of year.
And so our stranglehold on the NFL came to an end in the home of Dublin football last night. Was a very unusual Dublin performence and if I'm being honest an unusual approach to the league this year by Dublin.
That's not to take anything away from Tyrone's performence last night, thought they were terrific. Hungrier and more determined and wanted the win far more then Dublin. They played the usual Tyrone system of the blanket and counter and a hybrid marking system of high press, zonal and man to man at times.
Dublin shuffled the pack a bit and had a bit of an experimental full back line with Cooper in at corner back, Davy Byrne at 3 and young O Connor in the other corner. And Small joining, Cian and McCarthy rapt half back, Howard and Fenton in the middle and with Kilkenny coming in with the forwards for the last game.
A bit of shadow boxing really early doors and was looking a routine Dublin win for a bit, the game got a bit spicy then and some big hits started going in, if I'm honest I thought Tyrone bullied Dublin a bit and certainly knocked us a bit of kilter. Tyrone stuck to their game, they let their blanket absorb everything and then hit on the counter. They did fantastically well, by long kicking or breaking at pace. Dublin played into their hands a fair bit committing players forward and then getting caught at the back. It was a sloppy enough performence from Dublin in that they gave away an awful lot of turnover, took poor shooting chances and over complicated their general play. To be frank Dublin were second to everything on the night and Tyrone won the battle both on and off the pitch, Tyrone just kept Dublin at arms length all night. Full value for their win.
I'd agree with the poster who said the Dublin back line was tore apart, I think we experimented a bit with the line last night and it just didn't work, it let us down all night. Elsewise I thought Dublin were shocked by the intensity Tyrone brought, they were certainly up for this game and they brought championship pitch and pace to the game that Dublin just couldn't match, we looked surprised by it. Harte also one the tactical battle. In all honesty the Dublin forwards were swallowed up by the Tyrone blanket, so nothing really to report there. Kilkenny looked a bit of the pace for me, Costello went off injured hopefully not to serious. In all honesty there were 26 men in Tyrone scoring zone so it was very congested and we over elaborated. So absolute loads for us to be working on.
Not many pluses to take, one thing I was pleased about was seeing Bernard Brogan on the bench, hope to see him down in Brefffni next week. I said all year I wasn't to pushed on the league as it would teach us nothing, if the Championship players got a decent rest and we blooded a few new faces, we've done that so I'm not to bothered about not being in the league final. I think our approach to the league has been a bit different this year, whether it's managing the hype machine for the summer is speculative but I've my suspicions. We haven't been our best this league in fact miles off what we know we can bring, but nothing happens in the Dublin squad without design so in Jim we trust, we've given absolutely nothing away tactically this league. Hatred comments after the game last night were very telling.
I think some teams will be disappointed not to get a crack at us in the league final as that is brilliant exopierence to test yourselfs. On last nights showing I think Tyrone remain the second best team in the country, I think they are massively underatted and while their was context to the Monaghan and Kerry losses, I thought Tyrone were the best team we have played this year. I'd see them as our main rival as with Offaly in the 80s they've had a good run at us over a number of years, getting closer game by game.
So a trip to Breffni week, before we go onto our long conclave for the summer and our date with destiny, were we should be fresh and rested. We will take our licking this Spring and be nice to see a new team win some silverware for the variance. Would like to see Mayo with a national title for all they have contributed to this era.
I think in all honesty we are still the team to beat and who teams will look to beat, think we will be a different proposition in the summer, I think we will be there or thereabouts.
Best of luck to all still in with a chance of getting to the final." I wonder if Dublins form in the League will give the teams in the chasing pack a little more cause for optimism over the coming weeks. I know the Dubs are focussing on the five in a row but the fact that they have lost three games in the League makes them seem almost human. Over the last few years they have been so good, in both League and Championship, that most teams had already lost, in their heads, before they even took to the field against them. Now some teams will be thinking "maybe they are not as good as they were and if we raise our game ten or fifteen percent and catch them on a bad day..... Maybe that's what Gavin wants teams to think and it's all part of his dastardly plan for world domination. Tyrone are starting to look good again, as you say, and it wouldn't surprise me if they went on and won the League. Galway aren't too far away either and will have a big say come Summer. I think this year could be a year too soon for Kerry but as usual they will be there or thereabouts. Dublin are still the team to beat and it will be a shock if they don't win the five in a row but maybe, just maybe, there's a Seamus Darby out there in the long grass. The rest of us live in hope.
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Think the league has exposed some weaknesses in the back line and last nights game was really useful because one thing I'm certain about it won't be flaw come the summer, thus the drilling the team will get. Maybe the Rory O Carol signal may go on. Some players look badly off form.
Part of our problem this league in my opinion, is I think every team raise there game the 15 - 20% against Dublin, last night is a good example Tyrone have been going through the motions most of the year, but really put in a performance last night against Dublin, they probably wouldn't. Everyone wants a crack of us at this stage. I think it's been hard for us getting up for games that the other team are treating as an occasion.
I'm not sure of the daterdly plan bit, but I think Jim has a strategy, we look a bit of fitness wise, skills wise and decision wise, so if he's managing the training load building for the summer our performances indicate that. I'm not saying we weren't trying in the league, I'm just not sure we are very advanced in our prep this far and decided to run with it and see how we can get.
One thing we know though is all teams regress in time. You generally don't know it until your beaten. But I'm hopefull enough knowing the head room to improve, the skills, pace, fitness and intensity we have seen in this team over the years, we are mile of that presently, so for some reason I'm thinking Gavin is holding back this year and playing a bit of ropeadope . I thought Hartes comments were very interesting about Dublin after last night.
But it looks like it's going to be a cracking championship, even Leinster looks like it might have a kick in it this year.
Any five in a row will have to be earned the hard way and that's the take home after last night.
Really hoping Mayo do the league this year, would love to see some of their lads with medals.
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