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Spotted this on the HS home page, the championship structure needs help, unlike the super 8's its an all inclusive suggestion, now is the time, imo. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 08/02/2019 22:24:24 2163594 Link
Replying To supersub15: "Spotted this on the HS home page, the championship structure needs help, unlike the super 8's its an all inclusive suggestion, now is the time, imo." Yeah but it shouldn't just be a straight knockout. If you're introducing a tiered championship it should be league based. Give all teams a proper season. Play the Provincial championships as standalone cup competitions. A very simple 3 tiers of 12, 10 and 10 moving forward to semifinals in each tier would be an exciting competition for pretty much every team. You could have it so that every team knows the weekends they are playing at the start and that club breaks can be incorporated into the season. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4225 - 09/02/2019 07:00:26 2163619 Link
So that means we need to see more low qualtiy matches in order to please everyone in the hope of seeing one or two good ones. IMO the Joe McDonagh cup would be more entertaining than a second tier football championship yet I dont hear a peep about showing these games. ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 693 - 09/02/2019 12:03:27 2163662 Link
If they want an AI competition with Tiers then they could run something like the following: Have an open draw, everyone in the hat, anyone can draw anyone, knockout competition and off you go. As you need an even number then you can have a qualifier round either again as an open draw to see who has to play it or have it between London and New York (or better still run of a Rest of World Championship with the winners getting spot 32). Winners of the playoff then join the other 31 Footballing counties (excluding KK - who exclude themselves)with 16 games/fixtures being drawn. Winners all go in to the next round and the 16 losers go in to a C Championship. Then, with the 16 teams left in the A competition, you will have 8 losing teams who then go in to a B Championship. Play all 3 competitions out meaning each team gets a least two games. So in summary: 1 - Qualifier to get in to the first round proper - 1 game, 2 teams ( if NY and London have it over 2 legs for a bit of craic). Or ROW Championship with winner going in AI. 2 - Round 1 A Competition - 32 teams 3 - Round 2 A Competition - 16 teams, Round 1 C Competition - 16 teams (17 if the losers of the qualifier also get in - would require a qualifier rd) 4 - 1/4 Final A Competition - 8 teams, 1/4 Final C Competition - 8 teams, Round 1 (1/4 Final) B Competition - 8 teams 5 - Semi Finals A, B and C Competitions 6 - Final A, B and C Competitions. All runs off very smoothly and could be ran over a shorter period than the current set-up. If they want to use seeding for the first round draw then use Provincial Championship which would be ran off prior. Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 09/02/2019 13:09:55 2163677 Link
Are the European elections coming around again. Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 409 - 09/02/2019 13:32:24 2163681 Link
GAA fans will and non GAA fans will moan, regardless of what format they have. Reading the post's here, if every single match was a sell out- they would still complain- standard of reffing, standard of football, weather, parking, selling of merchandise, puke football LOL would all be complained about. Slan galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2519 - 09/02/2019 14:31:46 2163693 Link
I would have 12 teams in Senior, 12 teams in Inter and 8 teams in Junior. The 12 teams in Senior and Inter would be in 3 groups with 4 teams in each group. The top two in each group plus two of the three third place teams would go through to the quarter-finals. The three bottom teams plus the third place team with the worst record goes into the relegation play-offs. The quarter-finals would be ranked as the following (like in the European club rugby). a)1 v 8 b)2 v 7 c)3 v 6 d)4 v 5 The semi-finals a v d b v c In the group stage each team has one match at home, one away and one at a neutral venue. In the quarter-finals the higher place team has home advantage. Semi- finals and final in Croke Park. In Junior there would be 2 groups with 4 teams in each group. The top two from each group go into the semi-finals. Winner of group 1 v Runner up of group 2 Winner of group 2 v Runner up of group 1 In the group stage each team has one match at home, one away and one at a neutral venue. In the semi-finals the higher place team has home advantage. The final is in Croke Park. OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 09/02/2019 16:10:23 2163707 Link
Replying To galwayford: "GAA fans will and non GAA fans will moan, regardless of what format they have. Reading the post's here, if every single match was a sell out- they would still complain- standard of reffing, standard of football, weather, parking, selling of merchandise, puke football LOL would all be complained about. Slan" Lot of truth in what you say there Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 09/02/2019 17:09:44 2163715 Link
Ciaran Whelan said last night that we have the league and championship backwards in terms of status and I completely agree. Why not run them together on opposite weekends and play the two finals out in August / early September this would immediately raise the profile of the league without massive format changes and give everyone something to play for during the late summer. Get rid of the Super 8's and simplify and tweak the championship structure at the same time. Scheduling would have to be very carefully planned but it could hardly be worse than the dogs dinner we have now. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 10/02/2019 10:59:36 2163919 Link
Replying To GeniusGerry: "Ciaran Whelan said last night that we have the league and championship backwards in terms of status and I completely agree. Why not run them together on opposite weekends and play the two finals out in August / early September this would immediately raise the profile of the league without massive format changes and give everyone something to play for during the late summer. Get rid of the Super 8's and simplify and tweak the championship structure at the same time. Scheduling would have to be very carefully planned but it could hardly be worse than the dogs dinner we have now." Couldn't agree much more to be honest. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4225 - 10/02/2019 11:55:20 2163938 Link
In any tiered structure inevitably the lower teams will get very little coverage valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1890 - 10/02/2019 12:23:06 2163944 Link
Replying To galwayford: "GAA fans will and non GAA fans will moan, regardless of what format they have. Reading the post's here, if every single match was a sell out- they would still complain- standard of reffing, standard of football, weather, parking, selling of merchandise, puke football LOL would all be complained about. Slan" Not at all, I think you're over reacting and thinking too deep, instead call it constructive critism or airing a view, or positive thinking, or the way I see it is, or all of the above, actually the contents of your post is in fact a moan, your moaning about how gaa fans moan about this, that and the weather. Slan agat. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 10/02/2019 13:30:39 2163977 Link
Replying To valley84: "In any tiered structure inevitably the lower teams will get very little coverage" They're getting very little coverage now as it is commercial broadcasters have zero interest in the lower teams the GAA will need to step up here and provide a GAA TV channel with proper highlights shows etc. I'm no expert in broadcasting but with the technology that's there now and considering there are cameras at nearly all games anyway I don't see why this couldn't be done, even via a premium YouTube channel would be fine. GAA have money coming out their ears even if it's loss making they should still do it IMO. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 10/02/2019 13:34:58 2163979 Link
Good post above. GAA will not get a fair hearing from Virgin Media or RTE. Only TG4 galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2519 - 10/02/2019 14:44:27 2164001 Link
If the players and coaches want a tiered championship, and it's not forced on them by Central Council and GPA, then fair play to them. I think GAA should be trying to narrow standards between top and bottom and a tiered championship keeps the strong even stronger. Hopefully they could keep provincial championships all levels and have a separate tiered championship. Could look for a big sponsor and sell some stadium naming rights to raise funds for TV coverage. Very important for GAA to have some TV coverage if they bring in a tiered championship. Helps to promote these games while Super 8 dominates the national media. Plus some TV coverage gives these counties a better chance of getting decent sponsors. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 10/02/2019 14:49:01 2164004 Link
Replying To galwayford: "GAA fans will and non GAA fans will moan, regardless of what format they have. Reading the post's here, if every single match was a sell out- they would still complain- standard of reffing, standard of football, weather, parking, selling of merchandise, puke football LOL would all be complained about. Slan" There is a lot of truth in what you say, GAA football pundits and fans must be the biggest bunch of moaners ever. All this moaning leads us up cul-de-sacs like inventing rules such as the 3 hand pass rule. In stating the above, we probably do need a tiered championship of some sort. Every team needs to compete at the appropriate level, no amount of rule changes can make ine-sided games entertaining. Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1874 - 10/02/2019 14:49:25 2164005 Link
Replying To ZUL10: "So that means we need to see more low qualtiy matches in order to please everyone in the hope of seeing one or two good ones. IMO the Joe McDonagh cup would be more entertaining than a second tier football championship yet I dont hear a peep about showing these games." Couldn't agree with you more. That said I think there is a need for a second tier football championship, too many teams are training for nothing. Then if they wanted I'm sure they could stream them online. Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1909 - 10/02/2019 14:55:34 2164012 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "Yeah but it shouldn't just be a straight knockout. If you're introducing a tiered championship it should be league based. Give all teams a proper season. Play the Provincial championships as standalone cup competitions. A very simple 3 tiers of 12, 10 and 10 moving forward to semifinals in each tier would be an exciting competition for pretty much every team. You could have it so that every team knows the weekends they are playing at the start and that club breaks can be incorporated into the season." I would like to think Sean Kelly's proposal will at least get to the discussion table to be fully debated. I have no problem in buying into your preconditions / suggestions, a tweek here or there would sort it out, personally I like the idea of a straight knock out I always have however however if it's not up for discussion then so be it, the league basis is a good idea anyway, so too is a 3 tier system, there's lot of positives about it. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 10/02/2019 15:01:49 2164018 Link
Replying To ZUL10: "So that means we need to see more low qualtiy matches in order to please everyone in the hope of seeing one or two good ones. IMO the Joe McDonagh cup would be more entertaining than a second tier football championship yet I dont hear a peep about showing these games." Personally, I believe a change to a tiered championship would through time greatly improve the standard of football as it did in it's own way brought a positive change to hurling, for example, if we hold on to the provincial football championship, that in itself is a good thing and that's what most people want, add to that if we had a 3 tiered system like Whammo suggested sure wouldn't that add a bit of excitement and purpose to it, something for the also ran's to aspire to. The Joe Mc Donagh cup is moving along nicely, but I will admit it's not getting the coverage it deserves, however if we were to "peep" too much about lack of coverage it might be said we were moaning again, sometimes you just can't win. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 10/02/2019 15:05:45 2164020 Link
Great match last night- Kerry V Dublin (ok melee at end not nice) Great match today on TG4 today= Monaghan V Galway. galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2519 - 10/02/2019 15:40:51 2164035 Link