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Replying To MesAmis: "Costello a joy to watch." I think he could be player of the year this year. He's a rolls Royce.
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waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 02/02/2019 21:39:43
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I expected more from Galway tonight with arguably 9 or 10 championship starters starting tonight. Dublin were down on a number of key players tonight, have little work done and gave a few rookies a run out yet they ran out 11 point winners and were full value for it. Monaghan away for Galway that doesn't get any easier when we saw how impressive they were in beating Dublin.
Yondu (UK) - Posts: 845 - 02/02/2019 21:55:17
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Replying To Chubby: "I think Galway will edge this, then it will get interesting." Has to be the GS post of the week.
fingalman (Dublin) - Posts: 233 - 02/02/2019 22:02:56
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Replying To Belclare1: "Terrible second half.. Galway cant afford to be missing 10 players and expect to put up a fight.. The Dubs some strenght on the bench with Paul Flynn Jack Mc and Brian Howard coming on..
Having said that Kevin and his system will see out this year and be gone...." Is he badly rated througout the county ? He has brought Galway back to the top end of the business. There is no shame in losing to this Dublin team .
(I didden see the game tonight )
farneygael (Monaghan) - Posts: 277 - 02/02/2019 22:39:36
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Replying To farneygael: "Is he badly rated througout the county ? He has brought Galway back to the top end of the business. There is no shame in losing to this Dublin team .
(I didden see the game tonight )" Exactly, breaking Mayo's dominance, Connacht titles, a league final appearance, All Ireland semi final appearance and a first championship win in Croke Park in 17 years beating Kerry. That's not too bad is it? Are expectations in Galway higher than what he's done so far?
Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 02/02/2019 23:40:57
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Replying To jimbodub: "Injuries plagued his progress, the chap could have contributed so much more
Hopefully now he gets a good healthy run
He is class. Simple as." In fairness to the lad, if it were weren't for him Mayo would have been All-Ireland Champions in 2016.
3 points from play off the bench in the replay lest we forget.
I really hope he stays injury free, he has the potential to be top class. An injury free Costello is like a new player.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 02/02/2019 23:53:06
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Replying To farneygael: "Is he badly rated througout the county ? He has brought Galway back to the top end of the business. There is no shame in losing to this Dublin team .
(I didden see the game tonight )" Nicking the odd provincial and making up the numbers in the super 8s is hardly suffice im guessing
honestly accepting their shortcomings ,maybe
Vishred (Mayo) - Posts: 303 - 03/02/2019 01:00:12
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Replying To Vishred: "Nicking the odd provincial and making up the numbers in the super 8s is hardly suffice im guessing
honestly accepting their shortcomings ,maybe" The thing about this is KW has achieved a lot but his achievements have led to anti climatic season endings. If you measure the way last year ended for us and say Monaghan a case in point. We got more silverware and got to a league final yet Monaghan rightly so got many more plaudits. Also ending Mayo provincial dominance has afforded us very little credit. Make no mistake about it we were missing key players (Lavelle, Silke, Wall, Molloy, 2 Daly's. Conroy, Brannigan, Comer) many of whom will be certain championship starters (proven or otherwise). KW definitely has developed a much better panel over the last two years but the key thing is will he let them be more offensive because believe me the football is in them. The doomsday merchants are out in force but I prefer to judge further into the league. I think we will be a force later in the year and as good as anyone around in the chasing pack behind the Dubs.
kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1947 - 03/02/2019 11:06:14
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That was some cold weather in there last night, brutal game like most games nowadays , I personally hate the mark and it will suit us more than most with all our forward's able to catch their own ball , it's to stop start and does nothing for the game imo , but the biggest problem in football right now (or since '11) is defensive football , once a team loses the ball everyone more or less retreats and it just turns into a bore fest , I'm so bored of teams kicking the ball from one side of the pitch to the other it's rotten to watch or the kick pass back into defense , Jesus how have we ruined this game so much? And the problem is you have to play this style cause if you don't like Dublin in '14 you'll get bet. Or Kerry v Monaghan last year (I know it was a draw but Monaghan should of won comfortably)
The rules brought in do nothing to get rid of defensive football , as I've said before I don't think there is a rule that can.
Costello Mannion Rock excellent Galway missing to many big players to ever give us a real game I mean that with respect I rate Galway.
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Replying To kiloughter: "The thing about this is KW has achieved a lot but his achievements have led to anti climatic season endings. If you measure the way last year ended for us and say Monaghan a case in point. We got more silverware and got to a league final yet Monaghan rightly so got many more plaudits. Also ending Mayo provincial dominance has afforded us very little credit. Make no mistake about it we were missing key players (Lavelle, Silke, Wall, Molloy, 2 Daly's. Conroy, Brannigan, Comer) many of whom will be certain championship starters (proven or otherwise). KW definitely has developed a much better panel over the last two years but the key thing is will he let them be more offensive because believe me the football is in them. The doomsday merchants are out in force but I prefer to judge further into the league. I think we will be a force later in the year and as good as anyone around in the chasing pack behind the Dubs." I would like to see a strong Galway competing for AI honours, they should ditch that defensive system, and play their traditional open style of football, that was so good to watch.
thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1746 - 03/02/2019 11:43:35
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First half last night was dour, was much more impressed with the second half though. We looked out on our feet after the first 20 minutes in Clones last sunday, looked as though yesterday was more controlled, and increased the pace and tempo as it went on. Thought Bugler was okay on his debut, interesting to see someone say he looked good, felt he got absolutely rinsed myself but I haven't watched the game back so may be imagining things. Costello by far the stand out player, if he can stay fit then he is almost certain to start In the summer and id back him to be our best performer.
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 03/02/2019 13:19:24
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Replying To waynoI: "First half last night was dour, was much more impressed with the second half though. We looked out on our feet after the first 20 minutes in Clones last sunday, looked as though yesterday was more controlled, and increased the pace and tempo as it went on. Thought Bugler was okay on his debut, interesting to see someone say he looked good, felt he got absolutely rinsed myself but I haven't watched the game back so may be imagining things. Costello by far the stand out player, if he can stay fit then he is almost certain to start In the summer and id back him to be our best performer." Who loses out if he starts up front?
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 03/02/2019 13:26:15
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Replying To clondalkindub: "That was some cold weather in there last night, brutal game like most games nowadays , I personally hate the mark and it will suit us more than most with all our forward's able to catch their own ball , it's to stop start and does nothing for the game imo , but the biggest problem in football right now (or since '11) is defensive football , once a team loses the ball everyone more or less retreats and it just turns into a bore fest , I'm so bored of teams kicking the ball from one side of the pitch to the other it's rotten to watch or the kick pass back into defense , Jesus how have we ruined this game so much? And the problem is you have to play this style cause if you don't like Dublin in '14 you'll get bet. Or Kerry v Monaghan last year (I know it was a draw but Monaghan should of won comfortably)
The rules brought in do nothing to get rid of defensive football , as I've said before I don't think there is a rule that can.
Costello Mannion Rock excellent Galway missing to many big players to ever give us a real game I mean that with respect I rate Galway." I think 13-aside game would help harder to cover the spaces with 2 men less will also benefit good movement from forwards they will have the space to move into.
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I didn't expect a win but I don't think any of the galway players did either. If the players had to truthfully answer before the game whether they could beat the dubs by the looks only a few would answer yes. No shame in losing to Dublin but go down fighting. Very frustrating for the Galway lads who tried to take it to the dubs when most of their teammates had the heads down. They hadn't a chance
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Replying To clondalkindub: "Who loses out if he starts up front?" I love Dean Rock, but I don't think he contributes as much from play. (I know he scored a goal last night)
He contributed more from play coming on as a sub in 2013 than he does generally speaking now getting 70 minutes.
This is all assuming Costello stays fit and puts in consistent displays like last night. If he isn't then id keep rock there, but if all Dublins forward options are fit and in form, for me, Costello is in the starting 6.
Its hard to pick 6, very hard for me though if I had to pick 6 fellas in the half/full forward lines, this may be controversial but Id go
Howard -------- Connolly ---------- Kilkenny
O'Callaghan --- Mannion ---- Costello
Not necessarily in those positions
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 03/02/2019 14:09:58
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Always love a game against Galway, something magical about it for me, top GAA county and its been great to see them being competitive the last couple of years.
Nice to be back in Dublin 3 last night and catch up with told familiar crowd, nice few scoops watching the rugby before hand, the result was a different story.
Cold but grand considerations for the game this time a year, i certainly didnt think the elements were as bad as Clones last week.
Galway looked good to me first half, have a big team of fine athletes well drilled and some talented lads. Peter Cooke looks to have kicked on year and some promising lads coming through. I think Walsh is trying to do most are doing and develop a 25 man panel of depth for the championship, the league in many ways is about the panel and giving that experience to go the course in the championship. But i digress.
Sloppy first half by Dublin, continued pretty much on from Clones with little verve, heavy legged and rusty decision making. Was nip and tuck and Galway caused Dublin problems and each team matching the other point for point. Dublin looked a bit lost defensively at times, Mick Fitz struggling a bit at three on the high ball and for physicality. With Rock and Costello keeping Dublin ticking over.
Second half was a different story, Brian Fenton gave exhibition in fielding and midfield play, showing exactly why he is footballer of the year. He is so refreshing to watch he looks like some one who just loves playing football. The defensive clamp then came on and Dublin i felt defended terrifically in the second half, perfect execution of systemic defensive play, limiting space, swarming, pushing out and countering the possession based game Galway were playing with. Costello dropped a bit deeper to the half forward line and linked better with midfield and Dublin led by Costello and Rock and some great point execution started to turn the screw and built a healthy lead. When the space opened up as Galway chased we tried to punish on the break down, eventually running out comfortable winners.
A very reassuring performance after Clones last week and while the league for us will be about development and progressing the panel, its reassuring to know we still have so many of the traits that has made us successful in the locker when required.
Some reflections would be: on the forward mark, It suits Dublin down to the ground given the fielding ability in the half forward line and upfront, still looks like Dublin arent bothering doing much work on the new rules though. Without the blue tinted glasses though, im not sure i am a fan of the rule, it breaks the momentum of the game to much, is stop start and im not sure the reward is comparable to the actual skill of basically just catching the ball. Some of the fielding by Fenton in the middle was majestic, but some of the fielding into the half forward line was majestic and lads just basically running onto a cross diagonal ball, its basic and not worth a free crack at the posts in my opinion.
Thought Fenton, Lowndes Cooper, Costello, Mannion and Rock had very good games. Micky Fitz struggled at three in the first half bu was well supported in the second. Basquel i thought had a very quiet night and didnt follow up on his showing against Monghan last week. Jonny Small continues to be Jonny Small and lives constantly on the edge, you have to love him though and all teams need a player like him. Shout out to Brian Howard, was only a breif time but is a Rolls Royce, played a couple of balls that took three players out of the game. Was yapping to a lad watching the Rugby and he told me Brian had spent time in the Leinster academy, i dont know if that true or not but he definitely if it is, it might explain the feet and physique. There is only one other player i have seen who will look up and have no fear taking the ball into contact knowing they will come out and that Diarmuid Connolly, Brian has exactly the same trait.
Dublin bringing in many debutantes this league campaign Mullally, O Connor, McDaid last week and Flatman, Bulglar and Darren Gavin last night. Good to see the young lads get a run and hopefully being part of the panel brings them on.
All in all, we rumble on. Down to Tralee next week and fully expect us to get some lumps down there. Not to pushed on the result as the lads are looking to have fun in the league this year and just enjoy the games in my opinion, while i think we wont be giving away any tactical innovations. If we leave Kerry with no serious injuries ill be happy.
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Replying To TheUsername: "Always love a game against Galway, something magical about it for me, top GAA county and its been great to see them being competitive the last couple of years.
Nice to be back in Dublin 3 last night and catch up with told familiar crowd, nice few scoops watching the rugby before hand, the result was a different story.
Cold but grand considerations for the game this time a year, i certainly didnt think the elements were as bad as Clones last week.
Galway looked good to me first half, have a big team of fine athletes well drilled and some talented lads. Peter Cooke looks to have kicked on year and some promising lads coming through. I think Walsh is trying to do most are doing and develop a 25 man panel of depth for the championship, the league in many ways is about the panel and giving that experience to go the course in the championship. But i digress.
Sloppy first half by Dublin, continued pretty much on from Clones with little verve, heavy legged and rusty decision making. Was nip and tuck and Galway caused Dublin problems and each team matching the other point for point. Dublin looked a bit lost defensively at times, Mick Fitz struggling a bit at three on the high ball and for physicality. With Rock and Costello keeping Dublin ticking over.
Second half was a different story, Brian Fenton gave exhibition in fielding and midfield play, showing exactly why he is footballer of the year. He is so refreshing to watch he looks like some one who just loves playing football. The defensive clamp then came on and Dublin i felt defended terrifically in the second half, perfect execution of systemic defensive play, limiting space, swarming, pushing out and countering the possession based game Galway were playing with. Costello dropped a bit deeper to the half forward line and linked better with midfield and Dublin led by Costello and Rock and some great point execution started to turn the screw and built a healthy lead. When the space opened up as Galway chased we tried to punish on the break down, eventually running out comfortable winners.
A very reassuring performance after Clones last week and while the league for us will be about development and progressing the panel, its reassuring to know we still have so many of the traits that has made us successful in the locker when required.
Some reflections would be: on the forward mark, It suits Dublin down to the ground given the fielding ability in the half forward line and upfront, still looks like Dublin arent bothering doing much work on the new rules though. Without the blue tinted glasses though, im not sure i am a fan of the rule, it breaks the momentum of the game to much, is stop start and im not sure the reward is comparable to the actual skill of basically just catching the ball. Some of the fielding by Fenton in the middle was majestic, but some of the fielding into the half forward line was majestic and lads just basically running onto a cross diagonal ball, its basic and not worth a free crack at the posts in my opinion.
Thought Fenton, Lowndes Cooper, Costello, Mannion and Rock had very good games. Micky Fitz struggled at three in the first half bu was well supported in the second. Basquel i thought had a very quiet night and didnt follow up on his showing against Monghan last week. Jonny Small continues to be Jonny Small and lives constantly on the edge, you have to love him though and all teams need a player like him. Shout out to Brian Howard, was only a breif time but is a Rolls Royce, played a couple of balls that took three players out of the game. Was yapping to a lad watching the Rugby and he told me Brian had spent time in the Leinster academy, i dont know if that true or not but he definitely if it is, it might explain the feet and physique. There is only one other player i have seen who will look up and have no fear taking the ball into contact knowing they will come out and that Diarmuid Connolly, Brian has exactly the same trait.
Dublin bringing in many debutantes this league campaign Mullally, O Connor, McDaid last week and Flatman, Bulglar and Darren Gavin last night. Good to see the young lads get a run and hopefully being part of the panel brings them on.
All in all, we rumble on. Down to Tralee next week and fully expect us to get some lumps down there. Not to pushed on the result as the lads are looking to have fun in the league this year and just enjoy the games in my opinion, while i think we wont be giving away any tactical innovations. If we leave Kerry with no serious injuries ill be happy." Good analysis as always. We have some soul searching to do but as said previously think we will be a force come Summer.
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I think you could do with a keeper, maybe another midfielder and be a bit more direct tactically, felt when we got to grips with Galways patient build up and possession game in the second half last night and defensively we shut up shop, the most joy yete got was going direct, think you have the players for it too. Seemed to be playing a bit more openly this year to last and trying to find the balance.
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Replying To waynoI: "I love Dean Rock, but I don't think he contributes as much from play. (I know he scored a goal last night)
He contributed more from play coming on as a sub in 2013 than he does generally speaking now getting 70 minutes.
This is all assuming Costello stays fit and puts in consistent displays like last night. If he isn't then id keep rock there, but if all Dublins forward options are fit and in form, for me, Costello is in the starting 6.
Its hard to pick 6, very hard for me though if I had to pick 6 fellas in the half/full forward lines, this may be controversial but Id go
Howard -------- Connolly ---------- Kilkenny
O'Callaghan --- Mannion ---- Costello
Not necessarily in those positions" Rock scored a nice few from play in the AI final when we really needed it. I think it's a bit of a myth that he doesn't score from play.
Also He's our only dead ball specialist and one of the best in the country (if not the best)
You'd have rival managers happy to see him not starting
He offers something no other Dub player can to that level. Rock would be the first player down on my team sheet up front, his dead ball game have won us some massive games
We went years without a player of his proven 45/free taking talent and we suffered greatly from it.
In a big game, we win an important 45 and Rocks not on the pitch. I'd be worried about our options as to who would step up.
I think Dean is the greatest Dub free taker of all time and doesn't get near enough credit.
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