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Replying To Kurt_Angle: " Replying To ConnollyDub: "Has this current Dublin team ever found themselves 7 or 8 points down? As great a team as they are it'd be interesting to see how they'd react when faced with a situation like that.
not 7 or 8 but here you go
Kerry Semi 2013 - 6 points down...won the game
Mayo Semi 2015 replay - 5 points down....won the game
Kerry Semi 2016 - 5 points down at HT....won the game
Tyrone Final 2018 - 5-1 down after 15 mins....won the game
To name a few....
Some of these games we went on to win by 5, 6 and 7 points too. Add in the games were the match has been in the melting pot going into injury time and still every time we find a way to pull it out of the bag. IMO this Dublin team just dont know when their beat....and its bloody great as a supporter i must admit ;)" The one that stands out for me in terms of turnaround was the league semi finals against Cork in 2014. They were 10 points down at one point in the 2nd half and won by 7. You could argue its only the league but a 17 point turnaround against the team that topped division 1 is noteworthy."
ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 2007 - 26/01/2019 09:51:39
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Replying To dubarra: "The one common denominator I see in people whinging about Dublins dominance is that the majority of ouf it comes from Kerry .A lot of Kerry supporterus ( not all mind you ) seem to think they have a God given right to win the All Ireland every year and it's driving them around the twist for the last few yrs to see The Dubs dominate and more than likely do something that Kerry have failed to do .I watched Kerry dominate during the 70s and 80s and never heard that begrudgery towards Kerry coming from Dublin or any other county for that matter that you have to listen to now. Sure people got fedup looking at the same team winning all round them and want to see the underdog come through and win. The whole of Ireland would love to see the present Mayo team win an All Ireland or would some Kerry folk have a problem with that to I wonder. Kerry folk had the same issues with Tyrone when they were on top.Paudi wasn't far off the mark with this description of some of the so called supporters. This is not a personal dig at yourself by the way." Kerry will never dominate the way they once did again, 1 All Ireland in the 90's, losing 4 All Ireland finals in the 00's and thus far 1 All Ireland in the 10's. Some counties would be happy with their record of course but imo Kerry are struggling to cope with the reality of the modern era. Their fundraising exploits in America, London and their massive sponsorship no longer makes the same difference. The Championship structure has also changed from the their most successful days and no longer can they win one game in Munster before arriving for an All Ireland semi final. Counties have caught up and don't hold the same fear of Kerry teams! Dublin have adapted to the modern era quicker but the fact Kerry no longer dominate era's is the reason we hear so much noise from the kingdom. The 00's was about "puke football" and the 10's about "finance". I can see a pattern developing.
sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 26/01/2019 10:18:16
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Replying To dubarra: "The one common denominator I see in people whinging about Dublins dominance is that the majority of ouf it comes from Kerry .A lot of Kerry supporterus ( not all mind you ) seem to think they have a God given right to win the All Ireland every year and it's driving them around the twist for the last few yrs to see The Dubs dominate and more than likely do something that Kerry have failed to do .I watched Kerry dominate during the 70s and 80s and never heard that begrudgery towards Kerry coming from Dublin or any other county for that matter that you have to listen to now. Sure people got fedup looking at the same team winning all round them and want to see the underdog come through and win. The whole of Ireland would love to see the present Mayo team win an All Ireland or would some Kerry folk have a problem with that to I wonder. Kerry folk had the same issues with Tyrone when they were on top.Paudi wasn't far off the mark with this description of some of the so called supporters. This is not a personal dig at yourself by the way." You can dig at me if you like i don't mind at all, it's only a forum and I don't take anything said on here personally .
Also I'd say the reason you hear so much negative things now compared to the 70s and 80s is because everyone has access to social media now.
By the way i don't begrudge Dublin their success I begrudge every thing being handed to them on a plate when we had to work so hard for our success, and by the way I'm pretty sure there was begrudgery in the 70s and 80s as well, I'm sure it's not a new phenomenon.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 26/01/2019 11:13:38
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Replying To yew_tree: "I don't see Croke Park as Dublin's...they don't own it and as a member of the GAA it's as much mine as it is some lad from Drumcondra.
All GAA teams want to play there and many teams are familiar with it. I do agree they shouldn't get 2 super 8's games there but that's for the GAA to decide.
The major advtange is Dublin fans...yes they travel great and will bring massive crowds to league games but try forming out for 5/6 trips to the capital in the height of summer and then you really know the cost of following your team." Exactly get the dubs fans on the road and spread the wealth.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 26/01/2019 11:14:50
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "I'm not going to going to get into it again dubh linn ye all know my thoughts on the matter and there is nothing we can do about yer massive population or all the tax payers money being pumped into ye as Bertie made sure of that when he was minister for finance but ye having 2 home games in the super 8s should definitely not be allowed actually I'd go as far as to say there should be no super 8 games played in crokepark when there are provincial grounds crying out for games." We'll kingdomboy I won't get into it either so but it's funny how considering all the titles ye were winning in the 70s & 80s along with the 00s and there were no big issue for those in Kerry being concerned about how it might impact on the game elsewhere. Ye were coming to Croker and delighted to be there and everything was fine sure once Sam went back with ye.
Of course everyone wants to see a team that is dominating beaten and for all the talk of Kerry not bothering about the league I'll never forget the onfield celebrations after ye won it a couple of years ago. I also remember when Kk were winning 2,3,4 in a row and anyone outside of there couldn't wait for them to lose.
Ye have won umpteen underage titles recently and there's very little concern for how this might be impacting on the young talent in other counties and how it might not be great for the future of football elsewhere .
I also remember when Tyrone were beating ye , having this outrage about their style of play and how it was a blight on the game and a disgrace that they were being let destroy our beautiful sport. That's all ok now though,and in the past and not a big issue anymore because they have not been as difficult for ye to beat recently and those players have moved on.
Of course money was put into Dublin and it was badly needed at the time as the profile of the games here was at an all time low and the underage structures were in a poor state. We hadn't reached an AI final in 16 long years which is unnatural considering the population as you mentioned.
There is no doubt it helped rejuvenate the games here but it was in no small part also down to grassroots graft.
We are fortunate also may I add to have an exceptional group of dedicated and focused players and a great manager. Many questions have been asked of them and they have repeatedly come up with the answers. You cannot buy that.
I don't have an issue with taking games out of Croker and enjoy the trips to other grounds and we've proved capable in those same grounds when we travel.
I'm sure most Kerry supporters while not particularly happy that are winning will recognize this while at the same time knowing that,as with all great teams, they eventually will be beaten. Hopefully not for another while though.
We'll see ye in a couple of weeks and I have no doubt ye will be going all out to win even though it's only the league ;)
Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 26/01/2019 11:36:49
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "You can dig at me if you like i don't mind at all, it's only a forum and I don't take anything said on here personally .
Also I'd say the reason you hear so much negative things now compared to the 70s and 80s is because everyone has access to social media now.
By the way i don't begrudge Dublin their success I begrudge every thing being handed to them on a plate when we had to work so hard for our success, and by the way I'm pretty sure there was begrudgery in the 70s and 80s as well, I'm sure it's not a new phenomenon." Dublin handed everything on a plate and Kerry have to work for everything. You sound like a four yr old crying to your mother because your little sister got more sweets than you.
dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 541 - 26/01/2019 12:18:06
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I think Eoghan Ban is right you need to attack from the off and work ferociously when you don't have the ball, don't let Dublin get comfortable. Mayo made a good stab at this in 2016-17 but unfortunately fell short.
I think they could be vulnerable at the back but it would require a very good team to be clinical and push on, you probably need a bit of luck as well.
I don't know who is the most likely to push them in 2019 take your pick of Tyrone, Donegal, Galway, Mayo, Kerry or Monaghan.
From my own counties POV we will have a young team made up primarily of our recent minor winners they have a few key positions to sort out and may need a few years of conditioning and coaching at this level to be able to compete with Dublin but if they progress quicker than expected I wouldn't rule out a run at Sam in 2019.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 26/01/2019 12:26:18
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Replying To sam1884: "Kerry will never dominate the way they once did again, 1 All Ireland in the 90's, losing 4 All Ireland finals in the 00's and thus far 1 All Ireland in the 10's. Some counties would be happy with their record of course but imo Kerry are struggling to cope with the reality of the modern era. Their fundraising exploits in America, London and their massive sponsorship no longer makes the same difference. The Championship structure has also changed from the their most successful days and no longer can they win one game in Munster before arriving for an All Ireland semi final. Counties have caught up and don't hold the same fear of Kerry teams! Dublin have adapted to the modern era quicker but the fact Kerry no longer dominate era's is the reason we hear so much noise from the kingdom. The 00's was about "puke football" and the 10's about "finance". I can see a pattern developing." What a load of complete and utter pony. What 'noise' do you hear from Kerry bar a few anonymous posters on here? Is that a big enough sample size to tar the whole county the same?
In relation to Kerry's lack of success in recent years that is down to a lack of playing talent, simple as that. The modern era and championship structure is not that much different today than between 04-09 when the made six finals in a row and won four of them. If we had that panel available to us today I would bet my lottery winning Dublin would not be going for five in a row. These things are cyclical you are up sometimes and down sometimes.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 26/01/2019 12:41:41
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Replying To Lockjaw: "Good stats there. Mayo really should have sealed the deal at least once but as you say, Dublin have been a magnificent team and always seem to find a way. I suppose the main point of my OP was at least Donegal players appear to be focusing on ways to beat Dublin on the pitch and not whining about resources, money, facilities and bla bla bla." Donegal won't beat Dublin (unfortunately neither will Meath ) donegal and Meath are both division two teams and neither of us will beat them. This is a sad fact.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 26/01/2019 12:43:53
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Replying To GeniusGerry: "What a load of complete and utter pony. What 'noise' do you hear from Kerry bar a few anonymous posters on here? Is that a big enough sample size to tar the whole county the same?
In relation to Kerry's lack of success in recent years that is down to a lack of playing talent, simple as that. The modern era and championship structure is not that much different today than between 04-09 when the made six finals in a row and won four of them. If we had that panel available to us today I would bet my lottery winning Dublin would not be going for five in a row. These things are cyclical you are up sometimes and down sometimes." Kerry are very cute in how they influence the media and have a good representation there, putting out opinions that can and have influenced reputation of other teams. The 00's was a terrific era of football but don't forget the one team that Kerry tried to tarnish due to fear beat them in the 3 big finals they played. I also remember they tried the same tactics with another team who beat them in a final and went toe to toe with them. The same articles, opinions have been cutely put into the public domain about Dublin during this era that the only reason they are winning All Irelands is down to finance. The reality is Kerry will of course win All Irelands in the future but the structures now in place will make it extrembly difficult for a county like Kerry to dominate any era again. This Dublin team is the best team to ever play the game, it's not down to finance or unfair advantage but simply because they have coached correctly, and put together a dedicated group of players. There will rightly be documentaties, books etc written about them for decades to come and no matter what any county has achieved before will go down as the best ever especially if they land the 5. It must be hard for Kerry to stomach that hence we hear so much about finance etc.
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Replying To dubarra: "Dublin handed everything on a plate and Kerry have to work for everything. You sound like a four yr old crying to your mother because your little sister got more sweets than you." Yerraland are the king's of moaning. Just can't handle the fact that they are no longer the king's of football or can no longer expect handy All Ireland's like 1980, only 3 games to win an AI!! Dubs 4 in a row on that fact alone is a far greater achievement.
fingalman (Dublin) - Posts: 233 - 26/01/2019 13:21:11
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A rejuvenated Mayo side will be Dublin's toughest foe once again.
They above anyone else have showed others how to play against Dublin
The current Mayo panel still have one big push before Horan will need to start rebuilding
He'll try and get another couple of lads in there but it'll be largely the same team as again IMO he'll see that there's still enough left in the tried and trusted to give it a great go.
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 26/01/2019 14:01:54
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Replying To royaldunne: "Donegal won't beat Dublin (unfortunately neither will Meath ) donegal and Meath are both division two teams and neither of us will beat them. This is a sad fact." I think you're being generous to yourself there bracketing Donegal with Meath, even if we do find ourselves in the same division this spring. I think that IF, and it is a big IF, Donegal can get into a position where we face Dublin in a one off, do or die match we can give them their fill of it. A lot of things would have to go right for us. Chief among those would be having Paddy McBrearty back at full tilt. We have a good age profile right now with youth and experience, power and pace. A potential front 6 consisting of Ryan McHugh, Odhran MacNiallais, Ciaran Thompson, Paddy Mc Brearty, Michael Murphy and Jamie Brennan will give any team bother,
People may scoff at this suggestion but I'd rather be optimistic and confident that we can rattle Dublin's cage. Exactly as Eoghan Ban is, which as I said is great to hear.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9155 - 26/01/2019 14:39:17
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Replying To sam1884: "Kerry are very cute in how they influence the media and have a good representation there, putting out opinions that can and have influenced reputation of other teams. The 00's was a terrific era of football but don't forget the one team that Kerry tried to tarnish due to fear beat them in the 3 big finals they played. I also remember they tried the same tactics with another team who beat them in a final and went toe to toe with them. The same articles, opinions have been cutely put into the public domain about Dublin during this era that the only reason they are winning All Irelands is down to finance. The reality is Kerry will of course win All Irelands in the future but the structures now in place will make it extrembly difficult for a county like Kerry to dominate any era again. This Dublin team is the best team to ever play the game, it's not down to finance or unfair advantage but simply because they have coached correctly, and put together a dedicated group of players. There will rightly be documentaties, books etc written about them for decades to come and no matter what any county has achieved before will go down as the best ever especially if they land the 5. It must be hard for Kerry to stomach that hence we hear so much about finance etc." There are a lot of Kerry commentators in the media but they are not operating as one homogeneous group, they are all putting out their varied opinions and tbh I haven't really read any of them complaining about finances or the like, please correct me if I'm wrong. There may be a reference or two here and there to it but most of that stuff comes from Ewan McKenna and other non Kerry based commentators. You are trying to make out there is some sort of Kerry agenda there when there isn't. Can you provide a link to any of this media commentary?
It will be difficult to dominate in the future and that is the way it should be. One team dominating is not good for the game, be it Dublin, Kerry or whoever.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 26/01/2019 14:49:02
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Replying To jimbodub: "A rejuvenated Mayo side will be Dublin's toughest foe once again.
They above anyone else have showed others how to play against Dublin
The current Mayo panel still have one big push before Horan will need to start rebuilding
He'll try and get another couple of lads in there but it'll be largely the same team as again IMO he'll see that there's still enough left in the tried and trusted to give it a great go." Doubtful Jimbo. Their veterans like Boyle and Moran are another year older and Parsons won't be back. I can't see this particular team getting back to their previous level. They'd need 3-4 youngsters to come in and really play to a high level. It's possible if course, but personally I think their chance is gone.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 26/01/2019 14:52:46
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "You can dig at me if you like i don't mind at all, it's only a forum and I don't take anything said on here personally .
Also I'd say the reason you hear so much negative things now compared to the 70s and 80s is because everyone has access to social media now.
By the way i don't begrudge Dublin their success I begrudge every thing being handed to them on a plate when we had to work so hard for our success, and by the way I'm pretty sure there was begrudgery in the 70s and 80s as well, I'm sure it's not a new phenomenon." Work so hard for your success !! 3 matches to win an All Ireland , Jesus wept.
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 26/01/2019 15:21:38
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Replying To Dubh_linn: "We'll kingdomboy I won't get into it either so but it's funny how considering all the titles ye were winning in the 70s & 80s along with the 00s and there were no big issue for those in Kerry being concerned about how it might impact on the game elsewhere. Ye were coming to Croker and delighted to be there and everything was fine sure once Sam went back with ye.
Of course everyone wants to see a team that is dominating beaten and for all the talk of Kerry not bothering about the league I'll never forget the onfield celebrations after ye won it a couple of years ago. I also remember when Kk were winning 2,3,4 in a row and anyone outside of there couldn't wait for them to lose.
Ye have won umpteen underage titles recently and there's very little concern for how this might be impacting on the young talent in other counties and how it might not be great for the future of football elsewhere .
I also remember when Tyrone were beating ye , having this outrage about their style of play and how it was a blight on the game and a disgrace that they were being let destroy our beautiful sport. That's all ok now though,and in the past and not a big issue anymore because they have not been as difficult for ye to beat recently and those players have moved on.
Of course money was put into Dublin and it was badly needed at the time as the profile of the games here was at an all time low and the underage structures were in a poor state. We hadn't reached an AI final in 16 long years which is unnatural considering the population as you mentioned.
There is no doubt it helped rejuvenate the games here but it was in no small part also down to grassroots graft.
We are fortunate also may I add to have an exceptional group of dedicated and focused players and a great manager. Many questions have been asked of them and they have repeatedly come up with the answers. You cannot buy that.
I don't have an issue with taking games out of Croker and enjoy the trips to other grounds and we've proved capable in those same grounds when we travel.
I'm sure most Kerry supporters while not particularly happy that are winning will recognize this while at the same time knowing that,as with all great teams, they eventually will be beaten. Hopefully not for another while though.
We'll see ye in a couple of weeks and I have no doubt ye will be going all out to win even though it's only the league ;)" Our boys did celebrated that league final but not overly I would say dubh linn and why wouldn't they? We played Tyrone in the last game of the league that year and depending on the results that day I think we could have been Relegated or make the final, we made the final against all the odds and we won the final against all the odds so of course the lads were happy dubh linn.
We lost the league final in 16 and it didn't matter to us that much.
Home advantages is massive in sport and anyone who says it is fooling them selves.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 26/01/2019 18:45:22
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Replying To Lockjaw: "I think you're being generous to yourself there bracketing Donegal with Meath, even if we do find ourselves in the same division this spring. I think that IF, and it is a big IF, Donegal can get into a position where we face Dublin in a one off, do or die match we can give them their fill of it. A lot of things would have to go right for us. Chief among those would be having Paddy McBrearty back at full tilt. We have a good age profile right now with youth and experience, power and pace. A potential front 6 consisting of Ryan McHugh, Odhran MacNiallais, Ciaran Thompson, Paddy Mc Brearty, Michael Murphy and Jamie Brennan will give any team bother,
People may scoff at this suggestion but I'd rather be optimistic and confident that we can rattle Dublin's cage. Exactly as Eoghan Ban is, which as I said is great to hear." Well all i can go on is last two meetings, ballybofey donegal needed a very dodgy free to draw with us. And were very lucky to get out of navan with a win. Couple that , we both in division 2. I think it's quite clear we are both as far away from dubs as can be. I think go wear may have wrote a song about you. Donegal HAVENT A HOPE of beating Dublin.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 26/01/2019 19:12:07
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Our boys did celebrated that league final but not overly I would say dubh linn and why wouldn't they? We played Tyrone in the last game of the league that year and depending on the results that day I think we could have been Relegated or make the final, we made the final against all the odds and we won the final against all the odds so of course the lads were happy dubh linn.
We lost the league final in 16 and it didn't matter to us that much.
Home advantages is massive in sport and anyone who says it is fooling them selves." All I'll say to that is, I think when you are in a final you are looking to win it. League or whatever competition it be. The celebrations in 17 were evidence of that. Let's not pretend otherwise.
Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 26/01/2019 19:42:39
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Our boys did celebrated that league final but not overly I would say dubh linn and why wouldn't they? We played Tyrone in the last game of the league that year and depending on the results that day I think we could have been Relegated or make the final, we made the final against all the odds and we won the final against all the odds so of course the lads were happy dubh linn.
We lost the league final in 16 and it didn't matter to us that much.
Home advantages is massive in sport and anyone who says it is fooling them selves." And the whinging continues, never heard you whinging about home advantage when yea won 4 out of the 6 in a row all Irelands yea were in !!
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 26/01/2019 19:43:17
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