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Replying To GreenandRed: " Replying To tomhealycork: "[quote=DonaldDuck: "Indeed. GAA "people" are the most overly price-sensitive fans around.
I looked up the price of tickets for Connacht's Pro-14 match against the Cheetahs next month. Bear in mind the Cheetah's have lost 7 and won only 3 of their 10 games to date. I've seen betting odds of Connacht minus 10 points on the handicap so I think it is fair to say the outcome is pretty much predictable.
The cost of a ticket for the main TERRACE is 32 Eur for an adult and 28 Eur for students and senior citizens over 66. The behind the goal terrace is 27.50 for an adult, 22 Eur for students and senior citizens.
And the thing is...the ground will probably be close to capacity and nobody will be complaining!!
20 EUR is enough for the National Leagues but it is not excessive.
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1115 - 1/20/19 9:55:23 PMAnd nobody will complain because they know the costs of running games as well as everything else.
20 quid for national league isnt excessive at all.
They are savage prices for the Rugby. Amazing it's draw at the moment. Connaught would probably draw bigger crowds than most football counties for league games and that Pro14 is awful stuff, teams playing second and 3rd string players, almost throwing away games ..
I have always defended the GAA prices I felt they were excellent value compared to other sports. The 5 euro kids championship ticket is great value. However I do think 20 is a bit much for a league game. This across the board pricing is a bit of a blunt object too. Cork footballers draw crowds of a only a few hundred, there is a plan in place to promote football in the county, this is just another deterrent. Maybe 20 makes sense for some teams. - division 1A in hurling and some top football teams but it is nuts for teams already struggling to draw a crowd.
tomhealycork (Cork) - Posts: 14 - 1/21/19 9:08:05 AMare they really "savage prices"?
You dont watch pro14 if you call it "awful stuff" and it isnt teams with second/third string players or throwing/almost throwing away games
Correct me if I am wrong, but do the lads who play for Connacht and other Pro14 teams not get paid? If so then the entrance fee is contributing towards those salaries and of course will be expected to be higher. If you want to compare like with like then should you not be comparing it to the AI Rugby Leagues (or close to like for like as I know there are payments made to players in Irish League rugby). And if so, what are the prices in to a Div 1A Rugby match for instance of a Saturday?
Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 3709 - 1/21/19 10:07:46 AMAIL prices can be around a tenner per adult. I wouldnt be comparing them to national league. Not like for like comparison." I actually watch plenty of Pro14. I really enjoy a competitive rugby match. My son goes to all the Munster games and I go the the ones in Cork with him. Here is my summary of the Munster home Pro14 games this year. Munster Rugby 38-0 Toyota Cheetahs - awful uncompetitive waste of money Munster Rugby 49-13 Ospreys - Went to it - awful uncompetitive waste of money Munster Rugby 64-7 Ulster Rugby - awful uncompetitive waste of money Munster Rugby 25-24 Glasgow Warriors - very enjoyable game Munster Rugby 44-14 Edinburgh Rugby - Went to it - awful uncompetitive waste of money Munster Rugby 26-17 Leinster Rugby - decent game Rugby fans seen different in the sense that they rarely criticise the game be it a dour struggle or a onesided washout. There are a lot of kids in Musgrave Park who cheer every try even where Munster are 40 points ahead of a side that have lost the will to live not to mind win. If Limerick hurlers send down an brutal team to Cork and get beaten by 30 points because they are minding their players for another competition I'd call that awful stuff too. The gap between Munster and many of the teams they hammered here isn't that big but many teams are picking an choosing the games they target making a lot of games very disappointing and very poor value for money."
If Kerry come to Castlebar and you pay Pro14 prices to go in only to find Mayo have a weakened team and Kerry have very weakened team who don't raise a gallop at all. It ends up Mayo 3-16 Kerry 1-3. Are you happy you have got value for money? You have learned nothing.
In short I think GAA the price increase was too much. €15 to €17 or €18 would have been ok, €15 to €20 is 33% that is too much of a jump. I know there is the pre order option but that has taken a similar jump. It is still good value compared to other sports I will defend them on that.
It is a poorly thought out increase though. Well supported counties might be ok but we can't get 500 people to watch the Cork footballers, sticking an extra €5 on the ticket in only going to cement that disaster.
tomhealycork (Cork) - Posts: 80 - 24/01/2019 09:54:31
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Only aware of this increase now! Just about coming around after the Christmas :-)
Did the GAA say why there's an increase?
Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 24/01/2019 10:05:46
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SEASON TICKETS ???
The GAA machine have been out in force to promote the season ticket option as a way to mitigate cost of price increases.
Just to make people aware of a pretty lousy catch built in to the system: You get access to your county's first championship match in the price but all subsequent matches are charged to the ticket regardless if you attend or not (see T&C below).
I got caught out with this last year having got a season ticket as a present. I missed 2 championship matches for the first time in forever, but the person who bought me the ticket ended up with the admission fee on their credit card. Cancelled the bloody thing after that. If I had kept it they would have ended up being charged for all matches anyway
Can the GAA not do the simple thing off having 2 options?
Say League plus round 1 only for say €120 or €250 to cover all matches for the year? Charging people for matches they don't attend is just not on!
'The purchaser will be charged the base price and will also be charged for all subsequent GAA Senior Championship 2019 matches involving the selected county regardless of attendance or intention to attend. Full details on the charge for each fixture are provided on GAA.ie. So long as the Season Ticket remains valid you hereby expressly authorise us to retain details of your credit or debit card and to debit from the card stored with your registration details the relevant ticket price for each fixture.'
Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1057 - 24/01/2019 10:25:11
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Replying To tomhealycork: " Replying To GreenandRed: "[quote=tomhealycork: "[quote=DonaldDuck: "Indeed. GAA "people" are the most overly price-sensitive fans around.
I looked up the price of tickets for Connacht's Pro-14 match against the Cheetahs next month. Bear in mind the Cheetah's have lost 7 and won only 3 of their 10 games to date. I've seen betting odds of Connacht minus 10 points on the handicap so I think it is fair to say the outcome is pretty much predictable.
The cost of a ticket for the main TERRACE is 32 Eur for an adult and 28 Eur for students and senior citizens over 66. The behind the goal terrace is 27.50 for an adult, 22 Eur for students and senior citizens.
And the thing is...the ground will probably be close to capacity and nobody will be complaining!!
20 EUR is enough for the National Leagues but it is not excessive.
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1115 - 1/20/19 9:55:23 PMAnd nobody will complain because they know the costs of running games as well as everything else.
20 quid for national league isnt excessive at all.
They are savage prices for the Rugby. Amazing it's draw at the moment. Connaught would probably draw bigger crowds than most football counties for league games and that Pro14 is awful stuff, teams playing second and 3rd string players, almost throwing away games ..
I have always defended the GAA prices I felt they were excellent value compared to other sports. The 5 euro kids championship ticket is great value. However I do think 20 is a bit much for a league game. This across the board pricing is a bit of a blunt object too. Cork footballers draw crowds of a only a few hundred, there is a plan in place to promote football in the county, this is just another deterrent. Maybe 20 makes sense for some teams. - division 1A in hurling and some top football teams but it is nuts for teams already struggling to draw a crowd.
tomhealycork (Cork) - Posts: 14 - 1/21/19 9:08:05 AMare they really "savage prices"?
You dont watch pro14 if you call it "awful stuff" and it isnt teams with second/third string players or throwing/almost throwing away games
Correct me if I am wrong, but do the lads who play for Connacht and other Pro14 teams not get paid? If so then the entrance fee is contributing towards those salaries and of course will be expected to be higher. If you want to compare like with like then should you not be comparing it to the AI Rugby Leagues (or close to like for like as I know there are payments made to players in Irish League rugby). And if so, what are the prices in to a Div 1A Rugby match for instance of a Saturday?
Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 3709 - 1/21/19 10:07:46 AMAIL prices can be around a tenner per adult. I wouldnt be comparing them to national league. Not like for like comparison." I actually watch plenty of Pro14. I really enjoy a competitive rugby match. My son goes to all the Munster games and I go the the ones in Cork with him. Here is my summary of the Munster home Pro14 games this year. Munster Rugby 38-0 Toyota Cheetahs - awful uncompetitive waste of money Munster Rugby 49-13 Ospreys - Went to it - awful uncompetitive waste of money Munster Rugby 64-7 Ulster Rugby - awful uncompetitive waste of money Munster Rugby 25-24 Glasgow Warriors - very enjoyable game Munster Rugby 44-14 Edinburgh Rugby - Went to it - awful uncompetitive waste of money Munster Rugby 26-17 Leinster Rugby - decent game Rugby fans seen different in the sense that they rarely criticise the game be it a dour struggle or a onesided washout. There are a lot of kids in Musgrave Park who cheer every try even where Munster are 40 points ahead of a side that have lost the will to live not to mind win. If Limerick hurlers send down an brutal team to Cork and get beaten by 30 points because they are minding their players for another competition I'd call that awful stuff too. The gap between Munster and many of the teams they hammered here isn't that big but many teams are picking an choosing the games they target making a lot of games very disappointing and very poor value for money."
If Kerry come to Castlebar and you pay Pro14 prices to go in only to find Mayo have a weakened team and Kerry have very weakened team who don't raise a gallop at all. It ends up Mayo 3-16 Kerry 1-3. Are you happy you have got value for money? You have learned nothing.
In short I think GAA the price increase was too much. €15 to €17 or €18 would have been ok, €15 to €20 is 33% that is too much of a jump. I know there is the pre order option but that has taken a similar jump. It is still good value compared to other sports I will defend them on that.
It is a poorly thought out increase though. Well supported counties might be ok but we can't get 500 people to watch the Cork footballers, sticking an extra €5 on the ticket in only going to cement that disaster."]I wouldn't be a bit happy if Mayo and Kerry had two weakened teams no, you're spot on there. But usually in the League they'll play close to full strength teams as to what's available then. Most of the division one teams are fairly well supported. I think the price increase will always affect those who haven't a lot of money and heading to the game is their family day out for the week. Not just ticket prices but petrol and some grub for parents and kids. A price increase adding more to an already expensive day out. Won't matter if their county is well supported or not, that increase will stop them going. I think the GAA will ignore those kind of supporters and cash in on those that can afford it. I think that's a bad long term move.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7337 - 24/01/2019 10:33:17
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Replying To Eddie the Exile: "SEASON TICKETS ???
The GAA machine have been out in force to promote the season ticket option as a way to mitigate cost of price increases.
Just to make people aware of a pretty lousy catch built in to the system: You get access to your county's first championship match in the price but all subsequent matches are charged to the ticket regardless if you attend or not (see T&C below).
I got caught out with this last year having got a season ticket as a present. I missed 2 championship matches for the first time in forever, but the person who bought me the ticket ended up with the admission fee on their credit card. Cancelled the bloody thing after that. If I had kept it they would have ended up being charged for all matches anyway
Can the GAA not do the simple thing off having 2 options?
Say League plus round 1 only for say €120 or €250 to cover all matches for the year? Charging people for matches they don't attend is just not on!
'The purchaser will be charged the base price and will also be charged for all subsequent GAA Senior Championship 2019 matches involving the selected county regardless of attendance or intention to attend. Full details on the charge for each fixture are provided on GAA.ie. So long as the Season Ticket remains valid you hereby expressly authorise us to retain details of your credit or debit card and to debit from the card stored with your registration details the relevant ticket price for each fixture.'" I don't really see how you can have a gripe when this is clearly stated in the T&C's of the ticket. You also have the opt out option if you aren't going to attend a game and you won't get charged if you use this.
Re the option of paying €250 for all matches, this would prove a bargain for fans of teams that get far into the championship but would be very poor value for fans of teams that don't. For example, Derry and Meath only had two games in the championship last year and both would have had aspirations of getting further. Mayo only had four games and they would have had high hopes of getting to the super 8's and beyond. I know the €250 is an arbitrary, suggested figure but it would be very difficult to strike a balancing act when all teams are only guaranteed two games and I'd imagine it would cause a fair bit of discontent as teams got knocked out (or could be a loss maker for the GAA if certain teams with high season ticket buy in progress).
Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 24/01/2019 11:24:41
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The Munster championship could rightly be described as awful too. All was just answering DonaldDuck's assertion that the Pro14 isn't awful for the most part.
If Kerry come to Castlebar and you pay Pro14 prices to go in only to find Mayo have a weakened team and Kerry have very weakened team who don't raise a gallop at all. It ends up Mayo 3-16 Kerry 1-3. Are you happy you have got value for money? You have learned nothing.
In short I think GAA the price increase was too much. €15 to €17 or €18 would have been ok, €15 to €20 is 33% that is too much of a jump. I know there is the pre order option but that has taken a similar jump. It is still good value compared to other sports I will defend them on that.
It is a poorly thought out increase though. Well supported counties might be ok but we can't get 500 people to watch the Cork footballers, sticking an extra €5 on the ticket in only going to cement that disaster.
tomhealycork (Cork) - Posts: 16 - 1/24/19 9:54:31 AMPro14 isnt awful for the most part. Rugby is extremely physical and you cant expect players to play nearly every game of the season. top Irish players are rotated but provinces have shown with their success that this is a good policy and it doesnt seem to affect attendances by and large
on the price increase. its a €5. about the price of one drink on a night out. you cant compare the gaa's national leagues with the pro14. the season structure of each makes the comparison invalid.
SEASON TICKETS ???
The GAA machine have been out in force to promote the season ticket option as a way to mitigate cost of price increases.
Just to make people aware of a pretty lousy catch built in to the system: You get access to your county's first championship match in the price but all subsequent matches are charged to the ticket regardless if you attend or not (see T&C below).
I got caught out with this last year having got a season ticket as a present. I missed 2 championship matches for the first time in forever, but the person who bought me the ticket ended up with the admission fee on their credit card. Cancelled the bloody thing after that. If I had kept it they would have ended up being charged for all matches anyway
Can the GAA not do the simple thing off having 2 options?
Say League plus round 1 only for say €120 or €250 to cover all matches for the year? Charging people for matches they don't attend is just not on!
'The purchaser will be charged the base price and will also be charged for all subsequent GAA Senior Championship 2019 matches involving the selected county regardless of attendance or intention to attend. Full details on the charge for each fixture are provided on GAA.ie. So long as the Season Ticket remains valid you hereby expressly authorise us to retain details of your credit or debit card and to debit from the card stored with your registration details the relevant ticket price for each fixture.'
Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 603 - 1/24/19 10:25:11 AMreally the structure of season should change and be more like soccer/rugby. season ticket gives you all home league games with people who buy and attend league games getting first choice/pick of tickets for cup games ie championship
DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 24/01/2019 11:45:31
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Lad's stop comparing things to the rugby Pro14, it's a mickey mouse competition that no one in rugby, outside the competing countries, take seriously.
witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 24/01/2019 15:35:01
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Lad's stop comparing things to the rugby Pro14, it's a mickey mouse competition that no one in rugby, outside the competing countries, take seriously.
witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1391 - 1/24/19 3:35:01 PMhahahahahahahahahaha
why do GAA/Soccer fans get so aggrieved with calling rugby competitions/games mickey mouse be it pro14 or november&june internationals.
The english/french very much concerned by pro14 considering success of its sides .......
DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 24/01/2019 17:05:10
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Replying To witnof: "Lad's stop comparing things to the rugby Pro14, it's a mickey mouse competition that no one in rugby, outside the competing countries, take seriously." Actually if it was a "mickey mouse" competition the fact that people are willing to pay such big prices into the games would make it all the more remarkable, particularly since the majority attending games nowadays are crossover GAA fans.
I have no doubt the attendances at matches, Gaelic football particularly, will decrease again this year. The blame will be put by many on the price increase. But the biggest turn off is the entertainment value or lack of it.....it wouldn't have been deemed necessary to introduce 5 new rules into the game this year if all was right with the game in that respect.
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1902 - 24/01/2019 18:51:33
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The loss of entertainment is due to the authority that county managers exercise and their negative tactics of parking 12+ players behind the ball for most of a game-this unfortunately has now contaminated a lot of club football.
browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 24/01/2019 19:50:43
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Maybe the GAA need to look at supporters as customers and prospective new customers instead of complacently relying on the usual numbers to turn up to games. Better facilities including more food vendors of a decent quality, some prematch and half-time entertainment, including stuff for kids. Year on year people have more distractions including watching the game live on TV at home or watching other sports but they could make ut more appealing if they want to keep supporters going and try and get some new ones.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7337 - 24/01/2019 21:47:10
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Replying To GreenandRed: "Maybe the GAA need to look at supporters as customers and prospective new customers instead of complacently relying on the usual numbers to turn up to games. Better facilities including more food vendors of a decent quality, some prematch and half-time entertainment, including stuff for kids. Year on year people have more distractions including watching the game live on TV at home or watching other sports but they could make ut more appealing if they want to keep supporters going and try and get some new ones." Giving certain teams more games at home during the summer e.g Carlow leitrim wicklow,sligo and this would give them a team to support. How could you expect young lads from those counties to grow up and wanting to play for their county when all they get is 2 games a year
I watched a video on Carlow in 2017 earlier and their run gave everyone a boost,would be great to see this widespread around other weaker counties
Lower ticket prices and bigger attendances would be brilliant,fans may enjoy this more and be more inclined to come back
Maybe county boards should team up with local bus companies and encourage people to go to matches ata reasonale cost and heavily advertise it in clubs for example,it might work
Found a mayo club 51 website with everything regarding away days (travel,meet ups,transport,bringing colour to games etc)) could be rolled out among other counties and get peoples interest in it,would love to see this in Dublin
Having counties like Meath getting 2 games a year like last year sure how is that supposed to develop them,how does that appeal to supporters
leamhcanhill16 (Dublin) - Posts: 14 - 24/01/2019 23:42:15
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Replying To GreenandRed: "Maybe the GAA need to look at supporters as customers and prospective new customers instead of complacently relying on the usual numbers to turn up to games. Better facilities including more food vendors of a decent quality, some prematch and half-time entertainment, including stuff for kids. Year on year people have more distractions including watching the game live on TV at home or watching other sports but they could make ut more appealing if they want to keep supporters going and try and get some new ones." Agree with that , unfortunately many many stadiums in country are not fit for purpose particularly in winter months , however the cost of such redevelopment would be enormous and many see it as pointless for 3/4 inter county matches per year. That been said a minimum standard must be brought in.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 25/01/2019 08:17:08
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Bought my ticket for Meath V Tipp for 15.00 yesterday in a Super Valu in Dublin.
Anyone who pays full 20.00 only has themselves to blame.
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Replying To RoyalBadger: "Bought my ticket for Meath V Tipp for 15.00 yesterday in a Super Valu in Dublin.
Anyone who pays full 20.00 only has themselves to blame." €15 is even too much for one National League game..€10 is enough and €15/20 for a doubleheader maybe..thats all very well(€15) too if going on your own..if your bringing family it gets to be a costly day out..and we are only talking league here..
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Replying To RoyalBadger: "Bought my ticket for Meath V Tipp for 15.00 yesterday in a Super Valu in Dublin.
Anyone who pays full 20.00 only has themselves to blame." - So if everyone that intended to go to the game bought their tickets a day or two before hand they would get them at the old price,? Why then bother with the increase at all, the mind boggles.
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- So if everyone that intended to go to the game bought their tickets a day or two before hand they would get them at the old price,? Why then bother with the increase at all, the mind boggles.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 1814 - 1/25/19 10:44:46 AM Eh.... it encourages people to pre purchase games days before games and increase goes back into the game....
DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 25/01/2019 11:35:35
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Replying To supersub15: "- So if everyone that intended to go to the game bought their tickets a day or two before hand they would get them at the old price,? Why then bother with the increase at all, the mind boggles." The online price increased from 2018 also - €12 to €15. It just makes better sense to get them in advance now.
Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 25/01/2019 12:18:58
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GAA seems to be the only sport where people still buy their tickets at the venue on match day.
This then leads to delayed throw ins as people form large queues at overwhelmed ticket booths less than 30 mins before start of match.
Matches with very modest turn outs then get delayed.
Needs to be a culture change in how people go about it. It'll save you money and reduce delays.
RoyalBadger (Meath) - Posts: 571 - 25/01/2019 13:14:24
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Replying To supersub15: "- So if everyone that intended to go to the game bought their tickets a day or two before hand they would get them at the old price,? Why then bother with the increase at all, the mind boggles." Not much reason for it to boggle. It makes perfect sense. If everyone bought their tickets online or in the supermarket a few days before, it means not needing to handle cash on the day, fewer officials needed on the stiles, reduces chance of robbery/corruption/ needing to transport cash to bank account on day. There's a whole host of savings for the GAA there and also for bigger games it would enable them to accurately anticipate the size of crowd that will attend, how many Stewarts/ gardai needed etc etc etc
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