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Replying To PyatPree:  "Always found GAA as a bunch of complainers, go to a pro14 rugby match, GAA would seem cheap then"
Indeed. GAA "people" are the most overly price-sensitive fans around.

I looked up the price of tickets for Connacht's Pro-14 match against the Cheetahs next month. Bear in mind the Cheetah's have lost 7 and won only 3 of their 10 games to date. I've seen betting odds of Connacht minus 10 points on the handicap so I think it is fair to say the outcome is pretty much predictable.

The cost of a ticket for the main TERRACE is 32 Eur for an adult and 28 Eur for students and senior citizens over 66. The behind the goal terrace is 27.50 for an adult, 22 Eur for students and senior citizens.
And the thing is...the ground will probably be close to capacity and nobody will be complaining!!

20 EUR is enough for the National Leagues but it is not excessive.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1293 - 20/01/2019 21:55:23    2158535

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "Indeed. GAA "people" are the most overly price-sensitive fans around.

I looked up the price of tickets for Connacht's Pro-14 match against the Cheetahs next month. Bear in mind the Cheetah's have lost 7 and won only 3 of their 10 games to date. I've seen betting odds of Connacht minus 10 points on the handicap so I think it is fair to say the outcome is pretty much predictable.

The cost of a ticket for the main TERRACE is 32 Eur for an adult and 28 Eur for students and senior citizens over 66. The behind the goal terrace is 27.50 for an adult, 22 Eur for students and senior citizens.
And the thing is...the ground will probably be close to capacity and nobody will be complaining!!

20 EUR is enough for the National Leagues but it is not excessive."
They are savage prices for the Rugby. Amazing it's draw at the moment. Connaught would probably draw bigger crowds than most football counties for league games and that Pro14 is awful stuff, teams playing second and 3rd string players, almost throwing away games ..

I have always defended the GAA prices I felt they were excellent value compared to other sports. The 5 euro kids championship ticket is great value. However I do think 20 is a bit much for a league game. This across the board pricing is a bit of a blunt object too. Cork footballers draw crowds of a only a few hundred, there is a plan in place to promote football in the county, this is just another deterrent. Maybe 20 makes sense for some teams. - division 1A in hurling and some top football teams but it is nuts for teams already struggling to draw a crowd.

tomhealycork (Cork) - Posts: 61 - 21/01/2019 09:08:05    2158564

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Correct me if I am wrong, but do the lads who play for Connacht and other Pro14 teams not get paid ? If so then the entrance fee is contributing towards those salaries and of course will be expected to be higher. If you want to compare like with like then should you not be comparing it to the AI Rugby Leagues (or close to like for like as I know there are payments made to players in Irish League rugby). And if so, what are the prices in to a Div 1A Rugby match for instance of a Saturday?

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 3851 - 21/01/2019 10:07:46    2158578

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Replying To Offside_Rule:  "Correct me if I am wrong, but do the lads who play for Connacht and other Pro14 teams not get paid ? If so then the entrance fee is contributing towards those salaries and of course will be expected to be higher. If you want to compare like with like then should you not be comparing it to the AI Rugby Leagues (or close to like for like as I know there are payments made to players in Irish League rugby). And if so, what are the prices in to a Div 1A Rugby match for instance of a Saturday?"
I would look at it a bit differently to that. If lads are giving up time for free to play, surely we couldn't begrudge them 20 euro to watch 40 of them play, if that somehow trickles down toward enabling them to play the game through travel costs, proper equipment, welfare, proper prep, recovery, coaching, nutrition, access to proper facilities, proper club and county training and grounds.

Interestingly you dont see a rugby ground in every town in the country you do see a GAA ground.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 2809 - 21/01/2019 10:44:30    2158590

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Replying To TheUsername:  "It's excellent value RD.

I always find these threads funny. They present the GAA as some kind of distant entity. The whole thing is communal, it's where your counties money from etc.

No body wants to pay more, but everyone wants their team to have more money.

The GAA make a massive loss at every single game. Apparently for a GAA game to break even after costsyou need a crowd of 50k.

I actually think the GAA pricing structure is very naieve."
I Would love to see a report on this 50K myth. No way this is true to have games in county grounds. Perhaps Croke Park. Nonsense facts right here

Kingofthehill100 (Mayo) - Posts: 68 - 21/01/2019 11:00:44    2158593

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Colm Keys article today with all the increases passed by Central council on Saturday :
Allianz Leagues 25% to 33.3% increase
Qualifiers 25% to 33.3% increase
11% for All Ireland Semi Finals
12.5% for All ireland Finals.
No problem for all the frapachino crew who like to add pesto & sun dried tomatoes to their rolls.

Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 409 - 21/01/2019 11:07:02    2158594

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Indeed. GAA "people" are the most overly price-sensitive fans around.
I looked up the price of tickets for Connacht's Pro-14 match against the Cheetahs next month. Bear in mind the Cheetah's have lost 7 and won only 3 of their 10 games to date. I've seen betting odds of Connacht minus 10 points on the handicap so I think it is fair to say the outcome is pretty much predictable.
The cost of a ticket for the main TERRACE is 32 Eur for an adult and 28 Eur for students and senior citizens over 66. The behind the goal terrace is 27.50 for an adult, 22 Eur for students and senior citizens.
And the thing is...the ground will probably be close to capacity and nobody will be complaining!!
20 EUR is enough for the National Leagues but it is not excessive.
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1115 - 1/20/19 9:55:23 PM
And nobody will complain because they know the costs of running games as well as everything else.
20 quid for national league isnt excessive at all.

They are savage prices for the Rugby. Amazing it's draw at the moment. Connaught would probably draw bigger crowds than most football counties for league games and that Pro14 is awful stuff, teams playing second and 3rd string players, almost throwing away games ..
I have always defended the GAA prices I felt they were excellent value compared to other sports. The 5 euro kids championship ticket is great value. However I do think 20 is a bit much for a league game. This across the board pricing is a bit of a blunt object too. Cork footballers draw crowds of a only a few hundred, there is a plan in place to promote football in the county, this is just another deterrent. Maybe 20 makes sense for some teams. - division 1A in hurling and some top football teams but it is nuts for teams already struggling to draw a crowd.
tomhealycork (Cork) - Posts: 14 - 1/21/19 9:08:05 AM
are they really "savage prices"?
You dont watch pro14 if you call it "awful stuff" and it isnt teams with second/third string players or throwing/almost throwing away games


Correct me if I am wrong, but do the lads who play for Connacht and other Pro14 teams not get paid? If so then the entrance fee is contributing towards those salaries and of course will be expected to be higher. If you want to compare like with like then should you not be comparing it to the AI Rugby Leagues (or close to like for like as I know there are payments made to players in Irish League rugby). And if so, what are the prices in to a Div 1A Rugby match for instance of a Saturday?
Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 3709 - 1/21/19 10:07:46 AM
AIL prices can be around a tenner per adult. I wouldnt be comparing them to national league. Not like for like comparison.

DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 21/01/2019 11:15:46    2158599

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Replying To Offside_Rule:  "Correct me if I am wrong, but do the lads who play for Connacht and other Pro14 teams not get paid ? If so then the entrance fee is contributing towards those salaries and of course will be expected to be higher. If you want to compare like with like then should you not be comparing it to the AI Rugby Leagues (or close to like for like as I know there are payments made to players in Irish League rugby). And if so, what are the prices in to a Div 1A Rugby match for instance of a Saturday?"
The majority of them Connacht players are from somewhere other than Connacht, as the facilities are so bad in the province it is very difficult for underage players to come through. Not a single 4G rugby pitch for them to train on in Connacht, some schools in Dublin have two 4G pitches. In comparison GAA facilities across the province have improved beyond all recognition in the last 20 years. Saying entrance to GAA games should be less than rugby because they don't pay players is a very simplistic way of looking at things.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2283 - 21/01/2019 11:22:28    2158601

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Replying To Soma:  "The majority of them Connacht players are from somewhere other than Connacht, as the facilities are so bad in the province it is very difficult for underage players to come through. Not a single 4G rugby pitch for them to train on in Connacht, some schools in Dublin have two 4G pitches. In comparison GAA facilities across the province have improved beyond all recognition in the last 20 years. Saying entrance to GAA games should be less than rugby because they don't pay players is a very simplistic way of looking at things."
How else do you compare two different sports then Soma? I would have thought the fact that one is amateur and the other professional is the first place you start as it is the most obvious one (to me anyway). And if clubs in AI League rugby are charging a tenner a head in to their games and €30 plus in to the Provincial Pro14s and the likes then not having decent facilities is down to their own lack of planning/foresight and nothing else (especially if the portion of that which goes towards payment of players isn't relevant). I don't know about GAA clubs throughout Ireland but I do know that any club around home who have done up their facilities in the last 10 years or more have done so with hard work, fundraising and grants from external organisations (lottery fund, local Council etc) with little if any coming from HQ.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 3851 - 21/01/2019 12:11:46    2158617

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Replying To Offside_Rule:  "How else do you compare two different sports then Soma? I would have thought the fact that one is amateur and the other professional is the first place you start as it is the most obvious one (to me anyway). And if clubs in AI League rugby are charging a tenner a head in to their games and €30 plus in to the Provincial Pro14s and the likes then not having decent facilities is down to their own lack of planning/foresight and nothing else (especially if the portion of that which goes towards payment of players isn't relevant). I don't know about GAA clubs throughout Ireland but I do know that any club around home who have done up their facilities in the last 10 years or more have done so with hard work, fundraising and grants from external organisations (lottery fund, local Council etc) with little if any coming from HQ."
I'm not sure what point you are making there Offside, I was just pointing out that most of the Connacht players are not from Connacht and one of the main reasons is the rugby facilities for youth in the province are rubbish, light years behind what even schools in Dublin have. As a result, a lot of the Connacht squad is made up of lads from Dublin.
Genuine question for you Offside, if you don't think the money the GAA is collecting is being spent on players, clubs or facilities, where do you think it goes?

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2283 - 21/01/2019 12:57:59    2158625

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Replying To Uimhir.a.3.:  "Colm Keys article today with all the increases passed by Central council on Saturday :
Allianz Leagues 25% to 33.3% increase
Qualifiers 25% to 33.3% increase
11% for All Ireland Semi Finals
12.5% for All ireland Finals.
No problem for all the frapachino crew who like to add pesto & sun dried tomatoes to their rolls."
1 cent to 2 cent is a 100% in increase so sometimes percentages are the best way to illustrate a point, context is important.

I would also promote the use of non single coffee cups as well to the frapachino crew, every bit makes a difference.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 2809 - 21/01/2019 13:58:46    2158640

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Some of the same people who give out about where the game is going have no problem with increased prices to watch the very thing they complain about on some threads.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 6503 - 21/01/2019 14:02:54    2158643

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Replying To Soma:  "I'm not sure what point you are making there Offside, I was just pointing out that most of the Connacht players are not from Connacht and one of the main reasons is the rugby facilities for youth in the province are rubbish, light years behind what even schools in Dublin have. As a result, a lot of the Connacht squad is made up of lads from Dublin.
Genuine question for you Offside, if you don't think the money the GAA is collecting is being spent on players, clubs or facilities, where do you think it goes?"
I think that it going to pay for the 30m plus that was over spent in building a stadium in Cork which now requires a new pitch (second one within 2 years)- forgot the name of the facility! Some of is also spent with the high cost of running Croke Park. A lot of guys who will have to pay the extra sum to get into matches are the guys keeping our games alive working as amateurs with the youth in very county.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2054 - 21/01/2019 14:13:25    2158646

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Replying To Soma:  "I'm not sure what point you are making there Offside, I was just pointing out that most of the Connacht players are not from Connacht and one of the main reasons is the rugby facilities for youth in the province are rubbish, light years behind what even schools in Dublin have. As a result, a lot of the Connacht squad is made up of lads from Dublin.
Genuine question for you Offside, if you don't think the money the GAA is collecting is being spent on players, clubs or facilities, where do you think it goes?"
And I was just pointing out that you can't compare entrance fees between a sport where the players are amateur and don't get paid against one where the players do.

Look, personally it won't have an effect on me as I have given up on Intercounty GAA since they started to go down the road of Elitism and also making some Counties priorities over others in their funding etc. I give my money direct to my club where I know exactly where it is going and who it is benefitting. For those who are happy to pay the prices that's also their choice but to raise the price by a third is just wrong - regardless of the monetary amount (€5 in this example) it still means they have hiked prices by a massive factor.

As for the question on where the money in the GAA goes - they have Annual Accounts which they release detailing where it all goes.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 3851 - 21/01/2019 14:23:27    2158649

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John horan has just come out and said out of the 1.2 million that the price hike will bring in 500.000 will go to clubs 200,000 to international interests but where is the other 500,000 going Johnny?

Don't give us half a story or 2/3rds of a story.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 9546 - 21/01/2019 14:37:09    2158652

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Replying To Soma:  "I'm not sure what point you are making there Offside, I was just pointing out that most of the Connacht players are not from Connacht and one of the main reasons is the rugby facilities for youth in the province are rubbish, light years behind what even schools in Dublin have. As a result, a lot of the Connacht squad is made up of lads from Dublin.
Genuine question for you Offside, if you don't think the money the GAA is collecting is being spent on players, clubs or facilities, where do you think it goes?"
It's not impossible that some top brass are not benefitting financially either illegally or unethically. TV deals, endorsement deals for amateur players, stadium developments, Super 8 plans to make the rich richer.

While men women and children in clubs and some counties throughout the land organize themselves on social media, going door to door, organising draws for houses, race nights. lottos, bingos etc. Top brass refer to them as 'grassroots'. What cut do they get from the county gate?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5498 - 21/01/2019 14:52:07    2158658

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Replying To TheUsername:  "1 cent to 2 cent is a 100% in increase so sometimes percentages are the best way to illustrate a point, context is important.

I would also promote the use of non single coffee cups as well to the frapachino crew, every bit makes a difference."
Clouding the issue with your 1 cent argument, whether people in leafy south Dublin have no issue with increases & would willingly hand over €20 for a roll, coffee & Mars bar, there are people around the country struggling on low incomes & who have to travel to Croke Park from outposts like Donegal, no Luas or Dart or regular bus & train schedules for them. The GAA showed so much disrespect to Donegal fans last year bringing them to Croke Park so late in the evening that some people weren't home till 12. These are the people who a 10% to 33% increase affects when they factor in food & fuel, not the prawn sandwich brigade in south Dublin. There is another Ireland to the one you obviously exist in.

Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 409 - 21/01/2019 15:19:06    2158667

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Replying To Offside_Rule:  "And I was just pointing out that you can't compare entrance fees between a sport where the players are amateur and don't get paid against one where the players do.

Look, personally it won't have an effect on me as I have given up on Intercounty GAA since they started to go down the road of Elitism and also making some Counties priorities over others in their funding etc. I give my money direct to my club where I know exactly where it is going and who it is benefitting. For those who are happy to pay the prices that's also their choice but to raise the price by a third is just wrong - regardless of the monetary amount (€5 in this example) it still means they have hiked prices by a massive factor.

As for the question on where the money in the GAA goes - they have Annual Accounts which they release detailing where it all goes."
Do you think every GAA financial transaction is on the books?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5498 - 21/01/2019 15:33:19    2158670

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Replying To Offside_Rule:  "And I was just pointing out that you can't compare entrance fees between a sport where the players are amateur and don't get paid against one where the players do.

Look, personally it won't have an effect on me as I have given up on Intercounty GAA since they started to go down the road of Elitism and also making some Counties priorities over others in their funding etc. I give my money direct to my club where I know exactly where it is going and who it is benefitting. For those who are happy to pay the prices that's also their choice but to raise the price by a third is just wrong - regardless of the monetary amount (€5 in this example) it still means they have hiked prices by a massive factor.

As for the question on where the money in the GAA goes - they have Annual Accounts which they release detailing where it all goes."
As an Antrim man entrance to each of your countys league games will be £10 again this year so it could be said that is helping the weaker counties a little.
I had a look at the price of membership for a 12 year old for 3 clubs in Galway city. The hurling club was €50, the rugby club was €130 and the soccer club €150. When people say none of this money goes back to the clubs they should remember stuff like this, yes not every club gets a cheque each year but that doesn't mean they are not benefitting. Iv a young lad playing soccer here, even after paying membership he is not allowed on the pitch until he pays £3 each training, and £5 each match as the referee has to be paid. When last was a youngster in GAA asked to pay for the referee, I never heard of it in my day and hope it's still the same now. The criticism GAA gets is constant, I don't think people realise what a great service they provide to the country.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2283 - 21/01/2019 15:33:42    2158671

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Replying To Soma:  "I'm not sure what point you are making there Offside, I was just pointing out that most of the Connacht players are not from Connacht and one of the main reasons is the rugby facilities for youth in the province are rubbish, light years behind what even schools in Dublin have. As a result, a lot of the Connacht squad is made up of lads from Dublin.
Genuine question for you Offside, if you don't think the money the GAA is collecting is being spent on players, clubs or facilities, where do you think it goes?"
It's professional Rugby not a parish or county set up, players can be contracted from anywhere, same in the other provinces. Not sure how you bring in Connacht players & rugby facilities there into a debate on price increases in GAA, you can't compare like with like. Tickets for Connacht Rugby are more expensive but if you were ever at one you can see the difference, hospitality especially is miles ahead of GAA. Money that the GAA brings in goes to a number of areas & in the last few years certain things have been milking central funding such as €7 Million to the GPA plus 10% of all commercial GAA revenues go to them. Another big debt now is PUC which is going to be a massive drain on resources as Cork will struggle to even meet the repayments. Another folly is that GAA clubs are flush with cash from the GAA, the vast majority not vested in the GAA pay more through membership, insurance & affiliation than they will ever get. If you were ever at the coal face you would know this. Most funding goes to Provincial Councils & County Boards who spend most of it on county teams & games development in schools. Most clubs are at the pin of their collar fundraising to survive.

Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 409 - 21/01/2019 15:34:54    2158672

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