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Replying To katser:  "Division 2 is so competitive and even it's nearly impossible to predict the games! Of the 12 games played in Division 1, I have predicted 10/12 wins with 1 draw and 1 loss letting me down! So I'll go with..... Donegal, Armagh, Kildare and Meath all to win!"
Competitive yes. Quality wise, extremely poor. Will any of the teams win the all Ireland? Not a chance. Win their providal provinces, highly unlikely.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2089 - 21/02/2019 18:03:17    2166821

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Replying To royaldunne:  "We haven't a out and out goal paocher though that can consistently get a goal. That is my only worry with this Meath team."
Only? Where do I start...

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2089 - 21/02/2019 18:04:29    2166822

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Replying To RoyalBadger:  "This for me has a feeling of Down 2017 to me. They were on a terrible run of form that grabbed a few headlines. Meath went up to Newry as favourites expected to inflict more misery on a down and out team.

Down led the whole game and made Meath look very average.

Cork now seem like Down that year. A visit of a Meath team installed as favourites but still looking shakey themselves at times. Very worried of history repeating itself."
That was sound of us to help Down out with there run of 7 or 8 was games was it with out a win ? and not one bit of thanks did we get :). This is a different team than 2017. And nobody i expecting us to walk like the down game so it's different.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 21/02/2019 20:10:20    2166834

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Not at all. Donegal are irrelevant, and heading into abyss."
I think you drank too much Football Special when you were up in Ballybofey.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1322 - 21/02/2019 20:17:33    2166835

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "Competitive yes. Quality wise, extremely poor. Will any of the teams win the all Ireland? Not a chance. Win their providal provinces, highly unlikely."
Well since Meath and Kildare are in Leinster no they won't win there province just like no other county would win it either. As for the rest? They all have a chance even if unlikely for Clare and tipp. As for all ire? Tell me what chances have Tyrone Monaghan Cavan Roscommon or Galway of winning all ire ? Same as every courty in division two. Absolutely none. And to tell yourself otherwise is delusional.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 21/02/2019 20:21:15    2166836

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Replying To RoyalBadger:  "This for me has a feeling of Down 2017 to me. They were on a terrible run of form that grabbed a few headlines. Meath went up to Newry as favourites expected to inflict more misery on a down and out team.

Down led the whole game and made Meath look very average.

Cork now seem like Down that year. A visit of a Meath team installed as favourites but still looking shakey themselves at times. Very worried of history repeating itself."
Please tell me where are they shakey? I'm very interested apart from a howler from colgan that gave away a deserved win, what else could be described as shakey? I honestly can't think of a thing. They have controlled all their matches for well over 70% of the game.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 21/02/2019 20:25:04    2166838

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Replying To Donegal_abroad:  "I think you drank too much Football Special when you were up in Ballybofey."
From a Meath perspective they are irrelevant unless we meet them in a league final. I do get the feeling that some donegal people think they better than they are. They are in division two and have no right to think they are better than the other 6 teams, arrogance will cost games.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 21/02/2019 21:12:23    2166844

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Replying To royaldunne:  "From a Meath perspective they are irrelevant unless we meet them in a league final. I do get the feeling that some donegal people think they better than they are. They are in division two and have no right to think they are better than the other 6 teams, arrogance will cost games."
Based on last seasons Championship, I think its Donegal at full strength are marginally stronger than the best sides in Division 2. We could well fail to win promotion, but come Championship when most of our key players should be back, we should be a different animal and that's where the difference should tell.

Keep in mind that Donegal so far in 2019 have fielded a severely weakened side, with the few experienced senior players who have featured in the league like Martin McElhinney, Leo McLoone and Ryan McHugh all returning from injury and building match fitness, while many of our young players have been getting their first proper run out at this level.

I'm not seeking to be disrespectful to the other teams in Division 2, which is pretty strong this year. I just think that considering the key players who we are missing in terms of their place in All Ireland player rankings, it's hard to suggest the Donegal you seen in recent weeks will be similar in terms of players and fitness levels to what you will see in the summer.

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1123 - 21/02/2019 22:34:44    2166861

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Replying To royaldunne:  "From a Meath perspective they are irrelevant unless we meet them in a league final. I do get the feeling that some donegal people think they better than they are. They are in division two and have no right to think they are better than the other 6 teams, arrogance will cost games."
I was referring to your laughable comment about Donegal 'heading into the abyss'. How does my taking issue with that bizarre statement equate to arrogance as a Donegal supporter. I don't think we are at the top table currently in Gaelic football but we are at the top of the next tier of pretenders. We are well ahead of Meath. No issue saying any of that. Anyone with eyes could see these things.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1322 - 21/02/2019 23:05:39    2166869

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Please tell me where are they shakey? I'm very interested apart from a howler from colgan that gave away a deserved win, what else could be described as shakey? I honestly can't think of a thing. They have controlled all their matches for well over 70% of the game."
Start of the second half against Armagh was the definition of shakey. Did well to keep our noses in front but we threw away a 9 point lead in no time without even conceding a goal. Worried ahead of this one. Reminded of that Down game in 2017 as well.

Cork are going to pack the defense and we might just frustrate ourselves trying to unpick it. I hope Andy had his homework done.

LoyalRoyal (None) - Posts: 452 - 21/02/2019 23:20:07    2166870

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Replying To Commodore:  "Based on last seasons Championship, I think its Donegal at full strength are marginally stronger than the best sides in Division 2. We could well fail to win promotion, but come Championship when most of our key players should be back, we should be a different animal and that's where the difference should tell.

Keep in mind that Donegal so far in 2019 have fielded a severely weakened side, with the few experienced senior players who have featured in the league like Martin McElhinney, Leo McLoone and Ryan McHugh all returning from injury and building match fitness, while many of our young players have been getting their first proper run out at this level.

I'm not seeking to be disrespectful to the other teams in Division 2, which is pretty strong this year. I just think that considering the key players who we are missing in terms of their place in All Ireland player rankings, it's hard to suggest the Donegal you seen in recent weeks will be similar in terms of players and fitness levels to what you will see in the summer."
I think a Donegal team at full strength are quite a bit ahead of other Div 2 teams. Meath have maybe 2 to 3 players at best to come back, while as far as I know Donegal have 6 to eight. Injury concerns for the other teams gives Meath a fighting chance of promotion, a chance we may never get again. A win in Cork is no more than 50. 50, Cork are fighting for survival and will see this game as a way to get season back on track.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2152 - 21/02/2019 23:39:37    2166872

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'I get the feeling that some donegal people think they better than they are. '

And to think Alanis Morissette is a millionaire. You have irony nailed far better than she ever did. Tragic.

KildareKelly (Kildare) - Posts: 593 - 21/02/2019 23:40:03    2166873

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Replying To royaldunne:  "From a Meath perspective they are irrelevant unless we meet them in a league final. I do get the feeling that some donegal people think they better than they are. They are in division two and have no right to think they are better than the other 6 teams, arrogance will cost games."
I'm almost 100% sure that the posters on here won't be pulling the jersey on and running out on O' Donnell park this Sunday therefore any arrogance shown on here will have zero impact on "costing games". The players themselves have very little to be arrogant about and we could indeed be on zero points only for a Ryan Mc Hugh led charge in Clare and a slippy goal against Meath.
In regards to the "feeling that we are better than we are", anyone that follows this team through all competitions will know that we are hopeful to be very good in the next few years but nobody KNOWS how good we actually are and we won't until the full Donegal team is tested in the championship because after all it's all about championship!!
The league table never lies and we weren't good enough for Division 1 last year so we are a Division 2 team this year. We also weren't good enough to beat Tipp last time out and as a result are currently sitting in 3rd place. How good we are in relation to other teams in Div 2 will only be apparent when the league is over.
We are the only provincial champion in division 2 so are entitled to feel we should be in division 1.

Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1671 - 22/02/2019 00:27:41    2166877

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I agree that Donegal at full strength are better than us but I'd give me a chance of victory still.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 22/02/2019 05:38:46    2166882

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Replying To LoyalRoyal:  "Start of the second half against Armagh was the definition of shakey. Did well to keep our noses in front but we threw away a 9 point lead in no time without even conceding a goal. Worried ahead of this one. Reminded of that Down game in 2017 as well.

Cork are going to pack the defense and we might just frustrate ourselves trying to unpick it. I hope Andy had his homework done."
From what I've seen of Cork your going to get the 2 points here

weemanmc (Fermanagh) - Posts: 102 - 22/02/2019 23:50:16    2167056

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James McEntee a huge loss, was having a fantastic year. Adam Flanagan returns from injury, and will probably partner menton in midfield with Shane McEntee slotting back into his normal role of halfback to replace cousin, both O'Sullivan and Reilly remeains on bench . No harnan yet on bench, taking longer to return than many had hoped. But must not be rushed.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 23/02/2019 09:14:35    2167075

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Replying To Tir Conaill Abu:  "I'm almost 100% sure that the posters on here won't be pulling the jersey on and running out on O' Donnell park this Sunday therefore any arrogance shown on here will have zero impact on "costing games". The players themselves have very little to be arrogant about and we could indeed be on zero points only for a Ryan Mc Hugh led charge in Clare and a slippy goal against Meath.
In regards to the "feeling that we are better than we are", anyone that follows this team through all competitions will know that we are hopeful to be very good in the next few years but nobody KNOWS how good we actually are and we won't until the full Donegal team is tested in the championship because after all it's all about championship!!
The league table never lies and we weren't good enough for Division 1 last year so we are a Division 2 team this year. We also weren't good enough to beat Tipp last time out and as a result are currently sitting in 3rd place. How good we are in relation to other teams in Div 2 will only be apparent when the league is over.
We are the only provincial champion in division 2 so are entitled to feel we should be in division 1."
And I'm not disagreeing with any of that. And maybe a few posters have notions, I have to say that when I was leaving ballybofey every donegal person that spoke to me said they shouldn't have won that game, and indeed said Meath should have won, showed great humility in victory, so maybe I'm reading too much into what a few are saying on here. I'll leave it at that.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 23/02/2019 09:19:43    2167079

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "Only? Where do I start..."
If I were you I'd be more worried about Tyrone than Meath my friend, ahh sorry I see why you so interested in division two. Checking out the competition for next year. :)

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 23/02/2019 10:57:08    2167092

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Replying To Donegal_abroad:  "I was referring to your laughable comment about Donegal 'heading into the abyss'. How does my taking issue with that bizarre statement equate to arrogance as a Donegal supporter. I don't think we are at the top table currently in Gaelic football but we are at the top of the next tier of pretenders. We are well ahead of Meath. No issue saying any of that. Anyone with eyes could see these things."
You weren't well ahead of us in ballybofey, is that fair to say??

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 23/02/2019 10:59:40    2167093

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I think we could win v fermanagh but I think it will be a very low scoring affair. There is a bit of wind about this weekend so a lot of ball will be worked all the way into the full forward line. I think I will give this game a skip to be honest.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 23/02/2019 11:02:44    2167094

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