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Yeah I said 40-50k before the game.

Decent attendance and the highest so far this year in the championship isn't?

Fairly awful conditions. Thanks to my mother for the all weather Dubs rain coat a few years back it kept the worst of it off.

Think that was a good attendance today and unfortunately we can't make Meath fans attend if they don't want too..

47k considering the weather and the highest attendance of the year and not far off 3 times higher than the Munster final...

Hats off to all that got wet today

It was worth making the effort to watch another record breaking Dublin achievement

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 19561 - 23/06/2019 20:59:55    2199378

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Replying To Pantani:  "People need to start realizing that 47000 is a very respectable attendance for a sporting event in 2019. You think just because it used to get 80000 that you can change a few things and start getting 80000 again. Think again. It's less to do with the quality on display and more about the simple fact that less people attend live sporting events these days. Very much not a problem exclusive to the GAA. Have a look at @EmptySeatsPics on twitter. Sure you'd get a few more thousand if the games were competitive in Leinster but the days of 80000 are long gone. Just like most other sports the sellouts are reserved for the grand finale and maybe the odd semi final if you're lucky."
If both teams were of equal stature today's match would have sold out. Your theory on attendances isn't exactly true. The munster hurling attendances increased this year for a second year in a row.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2857 - 23/06/2019 21:06:39    2199390

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Reasons why attendances are down :
1/ Shockingly poor standard of football.
2/ Ticket price increases.
3/ No pre/post match entertainment.
4/ Programmes costing €5 with listed dummy teams.
6/ The increase in games through Super 8's that have put pressure on families going around the country trying to support their team & the cost increase that entails.
7/ Dublin dominance.
The attitude of the current GAA hierarchy towards supporters is one of arrogance & disdain similar to the way many of them spoke prior to the Newbridge fiasco last year. People tuning out & voting with their feet in droves & doing other things instead.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 809 - 23/06/2019 21:43:19    2199447

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Replying To Jackeen:  "I cant find any info on 2009 but it looks like in and around the 70 -80k up until 2009. 2010 it plummeted. A year before Dublins first All Ireland in 16 years. A year after the startled earwig comments and performance by Dublin. You're telling me people thought Dublin were invincible then? Nah!

My point is that Dublin v Meath was never a sellout in Leinster no matter how badly you'd like to romanticize the rivalry. 2016 was the lowest attendance for a Leinster Final in years. Today there was 10k more. It was a decent turnout for what most people knew would be a facile victory on a crappy rainy day. 18k for a Munster final last night though is a different story."
Fair play Jackeen

"A new low"

You posted the actual stats and Jack still won't just say ok.. I'm being a wee bit sensationalist.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 19561 - 23/06/2019 21:56:29    2199458

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Fair play Jackeen

"A new low"

You posted the actual stats and Jack still won't just say ok.. I'm being a wee bit sensationalist."
That's because you lot continously take everything out of context. It may be more then Dublin v Laois last year but it's far lower then Dublin v Meath should get. In 2005 in the quarter final when both meath and Dublin were not all Ireland contenders the fixture drew more. I think it was 60k.

2007 was it 75k and 82k for the replay?

2009 80k.

2012 final over 70k.
2013 over 60k.

The trend is going down and next time meath and Dublin play it will be another new modern era low for the tie.

The GAA are losing out big time with gate receipts. A strong Meath on par or close to Dublin with increase attendances big time. You could easily justify investing 1 million a year into meath underage development every year. They get it back through ticket sales in 15 years when it bears fruits on the senior team.

I know we'd still be miles behind you financially even with a million per annum but it would go an awful long way.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2857 - 24/06/2019 00:08:25    2199547

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GAA are losing money due to decrease of numbers attending matches so they increase ticket prices and blame TV coverage for poor attendance, the simple facts are GAA supporters are protesting on a number if issues
1 ticket prices are too dear
2 too many matches over a short period for example Rd 2 if qualifiers was last sat, next sat is Rd 3 and the sat after Rd 4 then super 8s start the following week then Rd 2 of super 8s on July 20th, that's 5 matches on 5 weekends in a row and every game prices will increase, if tickets were 10 euro every ground wouldn't be able to hold the crowds
3 too many mismatches and teams getting thrashed every year, this turns people away
4 not everybody can drop everything and travel long distances on a sat evening

riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1386 - 25/06/2019 17:57:44    2200777

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Perhaps if fans were issued attendance cards that can be stamped at every league or championship game. Points awarded for every home game and double for every away match. A certain number of points and you're guaranteed a ticket for AI final and league final if your team is involved. Some will state that they can't attend many games because of club commitments but I've always worked with the club and it never stopped me following Mayo. It might find out the 50,000 or so who claim to be at every game at all age groups.

ponga (Mayo) - Posts: 477 - 25/06/2019 19:00:22    2200807

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Replying To ponga:  "Perhaps if fans were issued attendance cards that can be stamped at every league or championship game. Points awarded for every home game and double for every away match. A certain number of points and you're guaranteed a ticket for AI final and league final if your team is involved. Some will state that they can't attend many games because of club commitments but I've always worked with the club and it never stopped me following Mayo. It might find out the 50,000 or so who claim to be at every game at all age groups."
That's called the season ticket and any mayo fan who goes to all these games should get one.

Agreed regarding prices. Some Dubs are telling us it's because sporting events are going out of fashion around the world. They're not in Ireland.

If Meath and Dublin was a 50/50 match and we'd beaten Dublin recently that Leinster final would have been sold out even at €40.

Replace meath in that situation with Kildare and it sells out too. That would be over a million extra euro in ticket sales.

But that's not the reality and the professional Dubs are miles ahead of the rest. So with that in mind the Leinster final should have been €25/20. It would definitely improve attendances.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2857 - 25/06/2019 20:02:13    2200848

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "That's called the season ticket and any mayo fan who goes to all these games should get one.

Agreed regarding prices. Some Dubs are telling us it's because sporting events are going out of fashion around the world. They're not in Ireland.

If Meath and Dublin was a 50/50 match and we'd beaten Dublin recently that Leinster final would have been sold out even at €40.

Replace meath in that situation with Kildare and it sells out too. That would be over a million extra euro in ticket sales.

But that's not the reality and the professional Dubs are miles ahead of the rest. So with that in mind the Leinster final should have been €25/20. It would definitely improve attendances."
Impossible to get season ticket now and that only covers 5,000. Your other points are correct.

ponga (Mayo) - Posts: 477 - 25/06/2019 20:23:01    2200862

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Overall Leinster Football Championship 2019 attendances are up just under 10k on 2018.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 2814 - 25/06/2019 20:45:40    2200882

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Replying To Jackeen:  "Nowhere near a sellout Jack. In fact you'd have to go back as far as 2008 to get close to a sellout and that was a Dublin v Kildare match.

Leinster Final Attendances

2018 41,728
2017 66,734
2016 38,885
2015 47,840
2014 62,660
2013 54,485
2012 69,657
2011 43,983
2010 48,875

2008 80,112"
Leinster Football final attendances 1980 to 1990 inclusive

1980 50,276
1981 28,398
1982 32,504
1983 36,921
1984 56,051
1985 33,423
1986 43,765
1987 48,122
1988 42,302
1989 56,839
1990 53,847

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 2814 - 25/06/2019 20:52:51    2200886

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Replying To Jackeen:  "Nowhere near a sellout Jack. In fact you'd have to go back as far as 2008 to get close to a sellout and that was a Dublin v Kildare match.

Leinster Final Attendances

2018 41,728
2017 66,734
2016 38,885
2015 47,840
2014 62,660
2013 54,485
2012 69,657
2011 43,983
2010 48,875

2008 80,112"
The ten lowest Leinster football final attendances on record:-

1957 30,234
1972 30,074
1965 30,000
1968 30,000
1981 28,398
1953 28,240
1991 28,157
1958 27,689
1961 26,836
1959 24,006

Really the crowds for a few games in the 90s (certainly not all) look a historical anomaly, with historic non competitive counties like Meath, Westmeath, Kildare, Laois all going through golden periods and of course Dublin their least successful.

Quite amazing really, but an abnormally historically.

Really Leinster attendances have just returned to their mean, really given it's a turkey shoot Championship it's amazing that crowds have increased from last year or really haven't plummeted.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 2814 - 25/06/2019 20:58:01    2200889

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Replying To moc.dna:  "Reasons why attendances are down :
1/ Shockingly poor standard of football.
2/ Ticket price increases.
3/ No pre/post match entertainment.
4/ Programmes costing €5 with listed dummy teams.
6/ The increase in games through Super 8's that have put pressure on families going around the country trying to support their team & the cost increase that entails.
7/ Dublin dominance.
The attitude of the current GAA hierarchy towards supporters is one of arrogance & disdain similar to the way many of them spoke prior to the Newbridge fiasco last year. People tuning out & voting with their feet in droves & doing other things instead."
In fairness the weather has been terrible.
Also the GAA ticket prices are fair, when was the last time they increased prices?
They also have all sorts of offers and deals.

gormdubhgorm (Dublin) - Posts: 984 - 25/06/2019 22:05:42    2200945

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Replying To TheUsername:  "The ten lowest Leinster football final attendances on record:-

1957 30,234
1972 30,074
1965 30,000
1968 30,000
1981 28,398
1953 28,240
1991 28,157
1958 27,689
1961 26,836
1959 24,006

Really the crowds for a few games in the 90s (certainly not all) look a historical anomaly, with historic non competitive counties like Meath, Westmeath, Kildare, Laois all going through golden periods and of course Dublin their least successful.

Quite amazing really, but an abnormally historically.

Really Leinster attendances have just returned to their mean, really given it's a turkey shoot Championship it's amazing that crowds have increased from last year or really haven't plummeted."
Not really when last year didn't have a Dublin/Kildare match or Meath/Dublin match.

Last years attendances were already way down on where they should be. And by should be I mean if the province was competitive.

Next years will surely be down.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2857 - 25/06/2019 22:55:02    2200984

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Can the Leinster hurling final get a bigger attendance then the football this year? It would be the second time in 3 years if it can. I'd expect over 50k for this one.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2857 - 26/06/2019 12:28:07    2201198

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Second time in 3 years the leinster hurling final beats the football final. The tide is turning in the province. I'd be surprised after the two finals we've had this year if the hurling doesn't beat it by more in 2020.

51k Wexford vs Kilkenny
44k Limerick vs Tipp
18k Mayo vs Armagh

I also think if munster had the capacity they'd get more attending then the leinster final.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2857 - 01/07/2019 00:14:06    2203203

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Anyone guess what the breakdown at the Leinster was, 34k Wexford, 12k Kilkenny, 5k neutrals ??

sanjose1 (Dublin) - Posts: 8 - 01/07/2019 10:46:02    2203369

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A couple of news paper estimates in there -

Kildare Tyrone 6,000
Clare Westmeath 5,000
Laois Offaly 6,735
Mayo Armagh 18,711

Limerick Tipp 44,052
Wexford Kilkenny + McDonagh Cup Final 51,842

Donegal Armagh (Ladies Ulster Final) 2,049

Great hurling attendances, I wonder how much of the Croke Park crowd was accounted for by the McDonagh Cup final. Seemed to be a good sprinkling of Westmeath and Laois jersies around. 5/6k maybe.

Off topic but it is a pity RTE don't broadcast the McDonagh cup and that the GAA don't insist on in as part of their over all deal. Crowds are small so the hit to gates wouldn't be significant. Always nice for kids to see their own county on TV. It would surely help promote hurling for a Westmeath kid to have seen his county on TV 5 times over the summer together with the higher profile McCarthy Cup games.

tomhealycork (Cork) - Posts: 61 - 01/07/2019 10:54:09    2203382

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Replying To tomhealycork:  "A couple of news paper estimates in there -

Kildare Tyrone 6,000
Clare Westmeath 5,000
Laois Offaly 6,735
Mayo Armagh 18,711

Limerick Tipp 44,052
Wexford Kilkenny + McDonagh Cup Final 51,842

Donegal Armagh (Ladies Ulster Final) 2,049

Great hurling attendances, I wonder how much of the Croke Park crowd was accounted for by the McDonagh Cup final. Seemed to be a good sprinkling of Westmeath and Laois jersies around. 5/6k maybe.

Off topic but it is a pity RTE don't broadcast the McDonagh cup and that the GAA don't insist on in as part of their over all deal. Crowds are small so the hit to gates wouldn't be significant. Always nice for kids to see their own county on TV. It would surely help promote hurling for a Westmeath kid to have seen his county on TV 5 times over the summer together with the higher profile McCarthy Cup games."
There would have been at least another 10,000 in limerick if there were more tickets available . I know the game was on in limerick but Limerick supporters outnumbered tipp 3 to one . Limerick always had good support but now from Moyross to Adare everyone wants to be there .
If a limerick cork semi final comes to pass Croker will be close to full .

hurler32 (Limerick) - Posts: 822 - 01/07/2019 11:33:52    2203425

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Replying To hurler32:  "There would have been at least another 10,000 in limerick if there were more tickets available . I know the game was on in limerick but Limerick supporters outnumbered tipp 3 to one . Limerick always had good support but now from Moyross to Adare everyone wants to be there .
If a limerick cork semi final comes to pass Croker will be close to full ."
Would more Tipp fans have bought tickets too? I think the munster final could have had 60k+ at it if there was enough tickets.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2857 - 01/07/2019 12:52:19    2203499

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