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Replying To omahant:  "As a Corkman I never complained of the unfairness of Kerry going for 9-in-a- row in Munster in 1983, nor more recently, Kilkenny going for Liam's 5-in-a-row in 2010. Of course, I was envious.

However, I honestly believe the current Dublin scenario is different - given the financial and population clout.

I still compromise - leave the Dubs juggernaut alone - add more teams even the 'culchies' among us could route for a regional Dubs team against the juggernaut, so long as we are entertained by the football product on offer."
As a Corkman with half a million of a population that have dominated nearly every senior football or hurling competition you need to shut up.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9326 - 27/11/2018 10:34:20    2152573

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Cork also dominate's minor and 21's hurling and football and have had massive sponsorships so give over.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9326 - 27/11/2018 10:40:21    2152576

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Replying To Whammo86:  "There's no parish rule in Dublin. People are free to play for whoever they want, these clubs are huge because people want to play for them. Why should that be dealt with?

There's a lot to be said for having these big Dublin clubs. They have the resources to be in the schools, getting the kids into GAA. They're big enough it makes sense to have GDOs designated to them. They do great work to nurture a relationship with their community.

As for rural clubs struggling. I dislike the parish rule. I think it wouldn't be a bad thing if there were fewer but bigger clubs in rural counties. People should have the freedom to choose who they play for.

I think club competitions should be organised on a Provincial level rather than county level.

It'd be good if there were Club amalgamations/divisional teams playing in a well structured Provincial club competition.

It'd be so much better for juveniles. The small rural club is not meeting the needs of young adults in between juvenile and senior and that's why there's a huge dropout rate.

There needs to be a proper under 19 or under 20 age grade at club levels. One that provides a proper program of upwards of 14 games a season for these players to help them make the step up.

Some can do it at 20 but most can't. I think the rural club structures are too small to be able to provide this for players."
I don't like the model of super clubs covering a population catchment area. I can see why the idea of big clubs are attractive to the best players but ultimately if there was more clubs you would have more players getting more of a chance to play for a first team as opposed to a third or fourth team. Historically the GAA has thrived on this in rural areas as this meant more young men wanting to play (as they have more if a chance to play for the team (first team)) and a huge connection of the GAA to a small place. If the GAA is ultimately spreading interest/playing numbers than increasing the number of clubs is the best way to go. Anyway I'm not just talking about Dublin, the fact is all over the country people are moving into towns and many towns populations have multiplied while some rural areas populations have fallen back. I have heard of some clubs amalgamating in line with these demographic trends I am not aware of many new GAA clubs being formed. Do you honestly think a place like Tallaght is best served by having so few GAA clubs ?

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 490 - 01/12/2018 11:26:55    2152998

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "I don't like the model of super clubs covering a population catchment area. I can see why the idea of big clubs are attractive to the best players but ultimately if there was more clubs you would have more players getting more of a chance to play for a first team as opposed to a third or fourth team. Historically the GAA has thrived on this in rural areas as this meant more young men wanting to play (as they have more if a chance to play for the team (first team)) and a huge connection of the GAA to a small place. If the GAA is ultimately spreading interest/playing numbers than increasing the number of clubs is the best way to go. Anyway I'm not just talking about Dublin, the fact is all over the country people are moving into towns and many towns populations have multiplied while some rural areas populations have fallen back. I have heard of some clubs amalgamating in line with these demographic trends I am not aware of many new GAA clubs being formed. Do you honestly think a place like Tallaght is best served by having so few GAA clubs ?"
I don't think I'll change your mind and I get where you are coming from.

There's a lot to be said for having a large club though with good facilities and multiple strong adult teams.

The second team structures are not currently great in Meath and I think that clouds a little your value of second team football.

Having fewer clubs but with good quality reserves is great. There's more variety for players too. Someone having a particularly busy time in work for a year can play down a team. Take it less seriously.
I'm part of a small club. Currently I'm not going to play properly next year.

The choice is commit and train hard for the season to play for the A team or I just play for the second team where the standard is a bit of a farce really. There's no in between.

Bigger clubs are better able to cater for more needs and are much better equipped for that transition from juvenile to senior.

They can still be and I believe are very much a central part of the community.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 2165 - 01/12/2018 16:28:54    2153011

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "As a Corkman with half a million of a population that have dominated nearly every senior football or hurling competition you need to shut up."
Perhaps I am a sensitive culchie, but I find instructing anyone to shut up a bit rude.

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 302 - 01/12/2018 20:23:44    2153029

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Replying To realdub:  "Rivalries in Dublin eh, we've enough of them thanks."
But you know what - if you didn't pick me way back when for the real Dubs - then I'll hold a grudge - I'll win an AI for Finglas ! - and hope to beat you in the AIC !! Let's build the rivalries !!!

omahant (USA) - Posts: 1400 - 05/12/2018 00:58:09    2153357

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