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Coolderry V Ballyboden Leinster Club SH Semi Final

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apparently a cracking game..Brian Carroll finishing with 2-16 for Coolderry AND getting sent off..referee made a few contravsersial calls all though Cooldery finishing with 12 players were never going to win (be their keeper got sent off at the very end of 2nd half of 2nd period of extratime...Ballyhale were onfire against Naomh Eoin...should be a good fina..

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 228 - 18/11/2018 23:12:29    2151565

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Easily the most exciting game of hurling I've ever been at! It was so topsy turvy and at times hard to catch your breath. It had it all, great scores, a heap of goals, red cards, extra extra time. Ballyboden probably should have put the game to bed in normal time but then found themselves a point down well into injury time after a late surge by Coolderry. And I'm sure the Offaly men will have serious complaints about where the ref got his 5 added minutes from. Saying that you have to commend Boden for sticking at it and forcing a late free which was won by Basquel and slotted over by Paul Ryan. Basquel on the edge of the square literally ran riot any time he got the ball into his hand and scored 3-3 and set up another couple of scores too. Mattie Kenny will have taken note that's for sure. Best tenner I've spent on watching sport in a long long time even if it was two and a half hours standing out in the cold! The final should be a good game but I'd wonder if Boden will have the legs having gone to a replay in the county final, extra time versus Clonkill and extra extra time yesterday.

TrueBlue35 (Dublin) - Posts: 39 - 19/11/2018 09:34:23    2151587

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Replying To TrueBlue35:  "Easily the most exciting game of hurling I've ever been at! It was so topsy turvy and at times hard to catch your breath. It had it all, great scores, a heap of goals, red cards, extra extra time. Ballyboden probably should have put the game to bed in normal time but then found themselves a point down well into injury time after a late surge by Coolderry. And I'm sure the Offaly men will have serious complaints about where the ref got his 5 added minutes from. Saying that you have to commend Boden for sticking at it and forcing a late free which was won by Basquel and slotted over by Paul Ryan. Basquel on the edge of the square literally ran riot any time he got the ball into his hand and scored 3-3 and set up another couple of scores too. Mattie Kenny will have taken note that's for sure. Best tenner I've spent on watching sport in a long long time even if it was two and a half hours standing out in the cold! The final should be a good game but I'd wonder if Boden will have the legs having gone to a replay in the county final, extra time versus Clonkill and extra extra time yesterday."
hope they have the legs as you say...Offaly aside, I was hoping Coolderry would win as I think they would really put it up to Ballyhale in the final, I know now that Ballyboden will provide a stern test (why do we always have Kilkenny teams favourites psychologically??..I don't know, but bet your bottom dollar they will and would be favourites even if Coolderry were in it...I like Paul Ryan, excellent player and free taker, he lost form bit with Dublin there after being immaculate free taker there with them a few years back, but I think he is back in the fold there now again...hope Boden win it now in Leinster..after that probably like to see Ballygunner win something for Waterford...

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 228 - 19/11/2018 14:18:30    2151639

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who would be a referee.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3038 - 20/11/2018 08:49:28    2151779

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Coolderry have had 5 red cards in 2 matches and need to look at their own discipline rather that blaming refs and their opposition. All 5 reds were blatant and the refs had no choice.

Dualclub1 (Carlow) - Posts: 240 - 20/11/2018 10:16:53    2151782

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Replying To Dualclub1:  "Coolderry have had 5 red cards in 2 matches and need to look at their own discipline rather that blaming refs and their opposition. All 5 reds were blatant and the refs had no choice."
Just picking a out points from the above poster,

1. No one from Coolderry blamed Ballyboden for anything that went on at the weekend. Ballyboden played the game as it was in front of them, the same as any team would. That's all that they could do and the best of luck to them in the final against Ballyhale. I hope they give it a good rattle

2. Also you point out that Coolderry blamed the referee for their own discipline (or indiscipline as would be the correct term). Coolderry never disputed or blamed the referee for any of the cards or decisions that made at the weekend. All players that got their marching orders walked off without much protest and took it on the chin. The 1st one I thought was debateable but the referee had a good view of the last one and the 2nd one his umpires were right there. I think you're picking up the frustration towards the ref and linking it with the red cards, when it's for something entirely different. Maybe you're reading into other posters, but Coolderry, although not ideal to help our cause, took no issue with them for the most part.

The reason we felt aggrieved on the day was mainly for the inconsistency from the referee on the puck outs and particularly on him playing twice the amount of stoppage time he had indicated to us that he was going to play when we were a goal behind on 60mins, hence why we went for goal obviously.

Ballyboden and Coolderry have a history over the past 20 years or so, playing each other regularly in matches both competitively and practice matches. One of our own, Liam Hogan managed them to an unprecedented 5 in a row back in 2011. Going on to just lose out to Coolderry at the same venue as last Sunday in a very tight game in another Leinster semi final. They beat us in a Leinster league final a few years back. I know that 1 or 2 of our lads hurled with arguably Ballybodens greatest ever hurler Stephen Perkins in Australia for a while also, and struck up a good comradery because of the links between the clubs. Another one of our longest serving members, Vincent Teehan done trojan work for Dublin Collages teams for years which had scores of Ballyboden underage players also. I could go on with the links between the two. And although when you look at the settings of both which are very different, there's more respect between these 2 clubs than most will ever know.

To say we blamed Ballyboden for something that only the referee had control over is one thing I won't let be said. Best of luck to Ballyboden. They are a fine team and have really been galvanised with some tough battles both in Dublin against Crokes and Leinster against ourselves and Clonkill. Hopefully they go on and win it now.

wing back (Offaly) - Posts: 115 - 20/11/2018 13:14:35    2151810

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Replying To wing back:  "Just picking a out points from the above poster,

1. No one from Coolderry blamed Ballyboden for anything that went on at the weekend. Ballyboden played the game as it was in front of them, the same as any team would. That's all that they could do and the best of luck to them in the final against Ballyhale. I hope they give it a good rattle

2. Also you point out that Coolderry blamed the referee for their own discipline (or indiscipline as would be the correct term). Coolderry never disputed or blamed the referee for any of the cards or decisions that made at the weekend. All players that got their marching orders walked off without much protest and took it on the chin. The 1st one I thought was debateable but the referee had a good view of the last one and the 2nd one his umpires were right there. I think you're picking up the frustration towards the ref and linking it with the red cards, when it's for something entirely different. Maybe you're reading into other posters, but Coolderry, although not ideal to help our cause, took no issue with them for the most part.

The reason we felt aggrieved on the day was mainly for the inconsistency from the referee on the puck outs and particularly on him playing twice the amount of stoppage time he had indicated to us that he was going to play when we were a goal behind on 60mins, hence why we went for goal obviously.

Ballyboden and Coolderry have a history over the past 20 years or so, playing each other regularly in matches both competitively and practice matches. One of our own, Liam Hogan managed them to an unprecedented 5 in a row back in 2011. Going on to just lose out to Coolderry at the same venue as last Sunday in a very tight game in another Leinster semi final. They beat us in a Leinster league final a few years back. I know that 1 or 2 of our lads hurled with arguably Ballybodens greatest ever hurler Stephen Perkins in Australia for a while also, and struck up a good comradery because of the links between the clubs. Another one of our longest serving members, Vincent Teehan done trojan work for Dublin Collages teams for years which had scores of Ballyboden underage players also. I could go on with the links between the two. And although when you look at the settings of both which are very different, there's more respect between these 2 clubs than most will ever know.

To say we blamed Ballyboden for something that only the referee had control over is one thing I won't let be said. Best of luck to Ballyboden. They are a fine team and have really been galvanised with some tough battles both in Dublin against Crokes and Leinster against ourselves and Clonkill. Hopefully they go on and win it now."
Very good post. Totally agree re the sentiments towards the ref and the only thing I witnessed as being annoyance on behalf of Cooldery was a couple of quick puckouts being called back when the same was not punished on the other side. And then the obvious grievance with the amount of injury time played. Where he got that from I will never know! Only two points I'd argue there are the mention of Stephen Perkins as being arguably Boden's greatest ever hurler ;) I think there are another few candidates that would be worthy of that honour but that's more for a barstool debate over Xmas I think! Also the first red card for Carroll was a stone wall red. I was standing on the terrace with a great view of it and he drew a punch into the ribs of the full back when they both went to ground. It wasn't an overly dirty stroke and he didn't use the hurl but it was a strike and the linesman had a perfect view of it and acted straight away. If I had have been shouting for Coolderry my main annoyance would have been with the injury time played at the end of normal time. By and large I think the rest sort of balanced itself out over the course of the game.

TrueBlue35 (Dublin) - Posts: 39 - 20/11/2018 15:46:39    2151850

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Replying To wing back:  "Just picking a out points from the above poster,

1. No one from Coolderry blamed Ballyboden for anything that went on at the weekend. Ballyboden played the game as it was in front of them, the same as any team would. That's all that they could do and the best of luck to them in the final against Ballyhale. I hope they give it a good rattle

2. Also you point out that Coolderry blamed the referee for their own discipline (or indiscipline as would be the correct term). Coolderry never disputed or blamed the referee for any of the cards or decisions that made at the weekend. All players that got their marching orders walked off without much protest and took it on the chin. The 1st one I thought was debateable but the referee had a good view of the last one and the 2nd one his umpires were right there. I think you're picking up the frustration towards the ref and linking it with the red cards, when it's for something entirely different. Maybe you're reading into other posters, but Coolderry, although not ideal to help our cause, took no issue with them for the most part.

The reason we felt aggrieved on the day was mainly for the inconsistency from the referee on the puck outs and particularly on him playing twice the amount of stoppage time he had indicated to us that he was going to play when we were a goal behind on 60mins, hence why we went for goal obviously.

Ballyboden and Coolderry have a history over the past 20 years or so, playing each other regularly in matches both competitively and practice matches. One of our own, Liam Hogan managed them to an unprecedented 5 in a row back in 2011. Going on to just lose out to Coolderry at the same venue as last Sunday in a very tight game in another Leinster semi final. They beat us in a Leinster league final a few years back. I know that 1 or 2 of our lads hurled with arguably Ballybodens greatest ever hurler Stephen Perkins in Australia for a while also, and struck up a good comradery because of the links between the clubs. Another one of our longest serving members, Vincent Teehan done trojan work for Dublin Collages teams for years which had scores of Ballyboden underage players also. I could go on with the links between the two. And although when you look at the settings of both which are very different, there's more respect between these 2 clubs than most will ever know.

To say we blamed Ballyboden for something that only the referee had control over is one thing I won't let be said. Best of luck to Ballyboden. They are a fine team and have really been galvanised with some tough battles both in Dublin against Crokes and Leinster against ourselves and Clonkill. Hopefully they go on and win it now."
Have a read of the UibhFhaili website forum, and you'll see what I mean

Dualclub1 (Carlow) - Posts: 240 - 21/11/2018 09:50:35    2151948

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Replying To Dualclub1:  "Have a read of the UibhFhaili website forum, and you'll see what I mean"
Although there is some discussion surrounding the red cards on the Uibh Fhaili forum, very few are trying to defend them. And definitely none from Coolderry doing so. As I'm pretty sure I'm the only recent poster from Coolderry on that site over the last few weeks/months. If the referee and his team saw fit to send them off, then fine. That was accepted on the chin without much protest as I said before.

Both of my points still stand against your original post.

1. Coolderry did not blame Ballyboden for anything last Sunday. Which you implied in your original post.

2. And as I also said before you are mixing up some of the discussion points in the match with the real reasons why the majority of Coolderry supporters felt frustration towards the referee. These were, as agreed by True Blue 35 above, the inconsistency on the puck outs and the excessive stoppage time that was added on in normal time. Neither of which had anything to do with the 4 sending's off deep into Extra Extra Time.


To sum up, we don't blame Ballyboden for anything and don't blame the referee for sending anyone off, both of which you clearly implied in your original post. But we were frustrated for the reasons outlined. I'm not sure I can make myself any clearer than that.

wing back (Offaly) - Posts: 115 - 21/11/2018 18:06:24    2152026

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The reason we felt aggrieved on the day was mainly for the inconsistency from the referee ...and particularly on him playing twice the amount of stoppage time he had indicated to us that he was going to play when we were a goal behind on 60mins, hence why we went for goal obviously.

wing back (Offaly) - Posts: 114 - 20/11/2018 13:14:35 2151810


The amount of stoppage time indicated on 60 minutes is for the previous 60 minutes of play. If, during stoppage time there are further hold-ups in play due to say injuries, time wasting etc. Then the referee will extend the stoppage time to cover these further stoppages.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 627 - 23/11/2018 16:40:47    2152256

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "The reason we felt aggrieved on the day was mainly for the inconsistency from the referee ...and particularly on him playing twice the amount of stoppage time he had indicated to us that he was going to play when we were a goal behind on 60mins, hence why we went for goal obviously.

wing back (Offaly) - Posts: 114 - 20/11/2018 13:14:35 2151810


The amount of stoppage time indicated on 60 minutes is for the previous 60 minutes of play. If, during stoppage time there are further hold-ups in play due to say injuries, time wasting etc. Then the referee will extend the stoppage time to cover these further stoppages."
I completely understand your point. And any extra delays should be added on. I dont think anyone could have any misgivings with that reasoning. But considering over the course of 60mins as you point out...the referee saw fit to add on 3mins stoppage time. And on your point that would mean that there was the same amount of delays in the original additional 3mins as there was in the 60mins play beforehand. There was very little delays in that 3 mins with both teams chasing the game at various points over that specific time.

He's the man in the middle though and can do what he likes. It's done with now....best of luck to Ballyboden in the Leinster final.

wing back (Offaly) - Posts: 115 - 24/11/2018 09:48:10    2152281

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Still, should have been a replay.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2208 - 24/11/2018 10:39:53    2152284

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "The reason we felt aggrieved on the day was mainly for the inconsistency from the referee ...and particularly on him playing twice the amount of stoppage time he had indicated to us that he was going to play when we were a goal behind on 60mins, hence why we went for goal obviously.

wing back (Offaly) - Posts: 114 - 20/11/2018 13:14:35 2151810


The amount of stoppage time indicated on 60 minutes is for the previous 60 minutes of play. If, during stoppage time there are further hold-ups in play due to say injuries, time wasting etc. Then the referee will extend the stoppage time to cover these further stoppages."
Just to point out that the stoppage time indicated on 60 minutes is for the previous 30 minutes only as stoppage time for the 1st half is added before half time. I can't comment on the amount of added time in this game but you would expect delays would have been very noticeable if 3 minutes were added to the announced 3 minutes.

Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 759 - 24/11/2018 11:44:15    2152287

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Replying To Westfester:  "
Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "The reason we felt aggrieved on the day was mainly for the inconsistency from the referee ...and particularly on him playing twice the amount of stoppage time he had indicated to us that he was going to play when we were a goal behind on 60mins, hence why we went for goal obviously.

wing back (Offaly) - Posts: 114 - 20/11/2018 13:14:35 2151810


The amount of stoppage time indicated on 60 minutes is for the previous 60 minutes of play. If, during stoppage time there are further hold-ups in play due to say injuries, time wasting etc. Then the referee will extend the stoppage time to cover these further stoppages."
Just to point out that the stoppage time indicated on 60 minutes is for the previous 30 minutes only as stoppage time for the 1st half is added before half time. I can't comment on the amount of added time in this game but you would expect delays would have been very noticeable if 3 minutes were added to the announced 3 minutes."
Yes. you're right, The stoppage time indicated on the end of 60 minutes of play is for the 2nd half play (30 mins).

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 627 - 25/11/2018 22:14:41    2152410

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