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Replying To LarryOBrother: "It's not Anti Ulster at all its just a fact that incidents like that happen way more often up there. Go through the list of all the reported "incidents" this year and you'll see a trend developing fairly quickly. The real issue is people lamenting about bias and discrimination instead facing the fact that there is a problem with discipline in the first place. Third man in should get a 2 month ban and it would stop an awful lot of individual rows developing into full on melees." Have u been to many games in the 6 counties ? This happens in every county i wont say ulster because its only the brits as we are called that get this. fact is it needs stamped out scrap the black card an this new sin bin if u strike its a 8 game ban not a 4 week ban if both teams have punch up then its points taken off are no champnship for 1 year
hoopman (Tyrone) - Posts: 105 - 23/10/2018 07:16:59
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Replying To WanPintWin: "I agree with all of your comments on discipline in general. These issues need to be dealt with harshly and clubs need to own up and take responsibility , rather than protecting those involved and looking for loopholes.
I disagree however with your statement that "incidents like that happen way more often up there". Unless you have some facts to back that up, you're basing it on perception.
We had an incident here in Galway of a ref being flattened by a supporter, the weekend before last, after a Senior Football Quarter Final. It received minor national coverage.
This is a national issue and scapegoating certain areas does very little to address it." Of the major "incidents" that have been reported in the last few weeks 3 were in the North and 1 was in Kerry. Those are the facts that my argument is based on. Also basing my argument having recently read Dermot Crowe's piece in the independent about the long running history of violence in Tyrone GAA. I can categorically say that level of violence does not occur in GAA matches in Wexford. Again this is not Anti Ulster bias its highlighting the facts of the matter.
LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 409 - 23/10/2018 08:56:48
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a melee is a melee no matter where it happens.the only distinguishing factor is the clubs involved.
perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 23/10/2018 09:27:30
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Replying To LarryOBrother: "Of the major "incidents" that have been reported in the last few weeks 3 were in the North and 1 was in Kerry. Those are the facts that my argument is based on. Also basing my argument having recently read Dermot Crowe's piece in the independent about the long running history of violence in Tyrone GAA. I can categorically say that level of violence does not occur in GAA matches in Wexford. Again this is not Anti Ulster bias its highlighting the facts of the matter." I just said there was an incident of a ref being assaulted after a game in Galway 10 days ago. You haven't counted in your list because it wasn't widely reported. These incidents can and do happen all over the country. They need to be dealt with as a whole and a systemic problem in the GAA, rather than focusing the attention on a bogeyman from Ulster.
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2042 - 23/10/2018 10:21:31
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Replying To LarryOBrother: "Of the major "incidents" that have been reported in the last few weeks 3 were in the North and 1 was in Kerry. Those are the facts that my argument is based on. Also basing my argument having recently read Dermot Crowe's piece in the independent about the long running history of violence in Tyrone GAA. I can categorically say that level of violence does not occur in GAA matches in Wexford. Again this is not Anti Ulster bias its highlighting the facts of the matter." Bull!!!! Kildare, Galway wasn't there something in Wicklow as well?
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 23/10/2018 10:33:15
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Everyone needs to own this blight on the game and start by criticising their own first.
This was disgraceful stuff and someone will get killed soon unless serious sanctions are handed out across the country
Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 23/10/2018 11:05:55
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Replying To gotmilk: "Bull!!!! Kildare, Galway wasn't there something in Wicklow as well?" Maybe so, show me the articles then and that's fair enough.
People on this forum are starting to sound like those parents who cant accept it when their own children get in trouble and go around saying stuff like "oh my johnny wouldn't do that" or "sure it wasn't his fault". Every county has discipline problems, some counties however are worse than others, and from what i can see, incidents are more prevalent up North. There should be a focus on how this should be changed rather than this notion of being discriminated against. The fact incidents occur everywhere but aren't reported doesn't make it acceptable anywhere!!
LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 409 - 23/10/2018 11:06:54
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Official physio for the game in Kerry appalled at the violence, doubtful she sees any violence like this in other sports she works at. Her comments as a medical professional are a damning indictment on the GAA. If she is out attending players & violence breaks out around her as she is treating players you would fear for her safety.
Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 409 - 23/10/2018 11:30:22
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The scenes on Sunday were pretty disgraceful really.
The location of the dug outs in Austin Stack's does not help, but that's not really the point.
This was also the third meeting of the sides, and the stakes were huge, Dingle going for a first title in 70 years, East Kerry a first in 20. Again that's not an excuse just a bit of context.
I will say that such incidents are a rarity in Kerry club football and they are something no one with an interest in Kerry GAA wants to see.
For me what's happening across the country is down to a combination of things - firstly (and I think someone else on here also said it) the gym culture in the modern GAA probably leads some lads to think they can go all matcho when tempers flare. Why but some much time into your strength and physique if you can't get the chance to use it every now and then. I'd be interested to hear the views of any club player on that.
Secondly, obviously, everyone has a camera to hand these days to record anything. These things always happened but now people have the ability to record them and share them hence why it seems to be a contemporary problem.
Thirdly, social media and it's the copy cat effect - you see someone put up a fracas on twitter and get national coverage, you see something at your own club game and you want to do the same. It's not getting worse or more common it's just being highlighted more than ever before.
Personally, I think this crap can no longer be tolerated and needs to be cut out once and for all. If individual county boards can't take responsibility to severely sanction their own clubs than let the GAA itself do it.
I would like to see the Kerry Co. Board set the right example now and show leadership for the entire country. That person from the Dingle backroom that ran on and assaulted the East Kerry player should be banned for many years. Anyone else seen throwing punches etc should be given heavy bans. Both clubs should be severely reprimanded.
If the punishment is severe enough and if every county dished the out this stuff would be gone in a week.
It might seriously hamper Dingle's prospects in the final and that is something I would be sorry about as I'd love to see them win the title, but either these things are dealt with or there not.
P.S., lads if ye think that stuff was bad - just be glad ye weren't watching the North Kerry Championship in the 1990s!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3wnE-hIhoM
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 23/10/2018 11:35:27
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Replying To LarryOBrother: "Maybe so, show me the articles then and that's fair enough.
People on this forum are starting to sound like those parents who cant accept it when their own children get in trouble and go around saying stuff like "oh my johnny wouldn't do that" or "sure it wasn't his fault". Every county has discipline problems, some counties however are worse than others, and from what i can see, incidents are more prevalent up North. There should be a focus on how this should be changed rather than this notion of being discriminated against. The fact incidents occur everywhere but aren't reported doesn't make it acceptable anywhere!!" Except, the example I gave was from my own county. I've seen some bad brawls and incidents in Galway games over the years. You're the one who said there weren't issues in Wexford.
My point is stop pretending it's an issue in a certain part of the country.
This a serious issue nationally.
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2042 - 23/10/2018 11:50:46
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Replying To LarryOBrother: "Maybe so, show me the articles then and that's fair enough.
People on this forum are starting to sound like those parents who cant accept it when their own children get in trouble and go around saying stuff like "oh my johnny wouldn't do that" or "sure it wasn't his fault". Every county has discipline problems, some counties however are worse than others, and from what i can see, incidents are more prevalent up North. There should be a focus on how this should be changed rather than this notion of being discriminated against. The fact incidents occur everywhere but aren't reported doesn't make it acceptable anywhere!!" Oh give it a rest. These incidents happen all over the country every week. It's only when a team from the North is involved that it then reaches national level and every news outlet runs a weeks long story on it because it suits the narrative.
Look how this brawl of Galway v Mayo last year was reported compared to the articles you read when its Ulster teams involved and they're demanding teams to be threw out of the championship. it's laughable!
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sam09 (Tyrone) - Posts: 339 - 23/10/2018 11:54:07
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Replying To sam09: "Oh give it a rest. These incidents happen all over the country every week. It's only when a team from the North is involved that it then reaches national level and every news outlet runs a weeks long story on it because it suits the narrative. Look how this brawl of Galway v Mayo last year was reported compared to the articles you read when its Ulster teams involved and they're demanding teams to be threw out of the championship. it's laughable! link"the tetchy exchanges between the sides adds extra spice, if it were needed, ahead of their Connacht Championship clash on May 13.""
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/remembering-the-tragic-death-of-a-tyrone-gaa-fan-at-a-minor-game-in-1977-and-where-violence-can-take-us-37345116.html
Regardless of the above the point I'm trying to make is as follows:
1. There is an issue with discipline in GAA and there seems to be an attitude that it is OK to full on brawl if you put on a GAA Jersey which is wrong.
2. This problem appears to be worse in the North than in other counties - that might seem like a generalisation but i have given plenty of examples.
3. People are taking offence to thr fact that incidents are being reported rather thank realizing a problem exists and dealing with it,
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/remembering-the-tragic-death-of-a-tyrone-gaa-fan-at-a-minor-game-in-1977-and-where-violence-can-take-us-37345116.html
LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 409 - 23/10/2018 12:17:20
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Replying To LarryOBrother: "Of the major "incidents" that have been reported in the last few weeks 3 were in the North and 1 was in Kerry. Those are the facts that my argument is based on. Also basing my argument having recently read Dermot Crowe's piece in the independent about the long running history of violence in Tyrone GAA. I can categorically say that level of violence does not occur in GAA matches in Wexford. Again this is not Anti Ulster bias its highlighting the facts of the matter." Again a journalist that went out of his way to highlight incidents in one part of the country. Don't let facts get in the road though. Two of the incidents mentioned in that article involved Tyrone clubs but wait for it, they were playing Kerry clubs in All Ireland semi finals who give as good as they got. It would be wrong to mention individual incidents but the facts simply do not add up that this problem only happens in one part of the country. As I have already said your key word is "reported" There is an agenda to highlight and ensure any incident in the North goes viral and every media outlet jumps on it hence why we hear of more incidents. This Kerry incident was so bad it has got national coverage and proves the GAA has a problem nationwide...not just in one part of the country. I know it goes against the agenda but they are the facts.
sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 23/10/2018 12:51:45
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Too many lads on sideline. Dingle selector will b banned. What was he thinking doing what he did. Just have a moar foirne and one member of management on sideline, physio and one water carrier over 18. Them rules are in I think but no enforced. These subs jumping the barriers to get involved should get bans too.
jj19 (Galway) - Posts: 448 - 23/10/2018 13:23:06
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Replying To TheHermit: "The scenes on Sunday were pretty disgraceful really.
The location of the dug outs in Austin Stack's does not help, but that's not really the point.
This was also the third meeting of the sides, and the stakes were huge, Dingle going for a first title in 70 years, East Kerry a first in 20. Again that's not an excuse just a bit of context.
I will say that such incidents are a rarity in Kerry club football and they are something no one with an interest in Kerry GAA wants to see.
For me what's happening across the country is down to a combination of things - firstly (and I think someone else on here also said it) the gym culture in the modern GAA probably leads some lads to think they can go all matcho when tempers flare. Why but some much time into your strength and physique if you can't get the chance to use it every now and then. I'd be interested to hear the views of any club player on that.
Secondly, obviously, everyone has a camera to hand these days to record anything. These things always happened but now people have the ability to record them and share them hence why it seems to be a contemporary problem.
Thirdly, social media and it's the copy cat effect - you see someone put up a fracas on twitter and get national coverage, you see something at your own club game and you want to do the same. It's not getting worse or more common it's just being highlighted more than ever before.
Personally, I think this crap can no longer be tolerated and needs to be cut out once and for all. If individual county boards can't take responsibility to severely sanction their own clubs than let the GAA itself do it.
I would like to see the Kerry Co. Board set the right example now and show leadership for the entire country. That person from the Dingle backroom that ran on and assaulted the East Kerry player should be banned for many years. Anyone else seen throwing punches etc should be given heavy bans. Both clubs should be severely reprimanded.
If the punishment is severe enough and if every county dished the out this stuff would be gone in a week.
It might seriously hamper Dingle's prospects in the final and that is something I would be sorry about as I'd love to see them win the title, but either these things are dealt with or there not.
P.S., lads if ye think that stuff was bad - just be glad ye weren't watching the North Kerry Championship in the 1990s!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3wnE-hIhoM" I think the hermit is spot on there far to much of it going on. clubs now play 2nd fiddle to there county teams this means some lads dont play for weeks i feel this plays a part in it.
hoopman (Tyrone) - Posts: 105 - 23/10/2018 13:44:20
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a lot of the problem is the protectionism when it is one of youre own club men.
my club had a match abandoned a number of years ago and the first approach was to have a meeting and "figure out how to defend ourselves".this meeting was all about the way the other club started it (which they did,in fairness) but it was all about getting players off for the replay,there was not 1 mention of "this is not how we as a club should conduct ourselves".
a lot of the gaa problem is the tribal nature of it,the "do it for the parish" mantra,"that shower next door in that dressing room they are laughing at yaz,go out and show them",bullology.
having played soccer for years (as well as gaa),i dont ever remember any similar nonsense being spouted.
perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 23/10/2018 14:05:01
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Replying To TheUsername: "To much effort being outraged every single week to be honest, it happens in every county, in every province all over the country, always has.
Only difference is everyone has a smart phone now a days.
I think if you take some of the passion and aggression out of the game we all get a bit precious, you don't want GAA to end up like Soccer when kicking a water bottle is a arresting offense.
Lads all probably laughed about it after the game." exactly right, the biggest issue here is that it occurred in ulster first and a certain segment of both the media and the public online sharpened the knives on ulster clubs which wasn't fair. geography has nothing to do with it. i'm not condoning violence at games but in fairness the percentage of serious or semi serious injuries in these rows has been small in the overall context and when i say small i mean minuscule . i could take this opportunity to release a torrent of abuse on the two kerry teams but i won't. look its senior football. its for men. if you don't stand up for yourself or your team mates you shouldn't be there simple as. anyone on here that's crying about the fighting either never played football or is a hypocrite. i've been in plenty of scuffles went in for tea after the game and chatted the lads we fought with because the respect is there.
theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 23/10/2018 14:34:33
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Replying To perfect10: "a lot of the problem is the protectionism when it is one of youre own club men.
my club had a match abandoned a number of years ago and the first approach was to have a meeting and "figure out how to defend ourselves".this meeting was all about the way the other club started it (which they did,in fairness) but it was all about getting players off for the replay,there was not 1 mention of "this is not how we as a club should conduct ourselves".
a lot of the gaa problem is the tribal nature of it,the "do it for the parish" mantra,"that shower next door in that dressing room they are laughing at yaz,go out and show them",bullology.
having played soccer for years (as well as gaa),i dont ever remember any similar nonsense being spouted." But there was probably very few watching when you played soccer as well. What always surprises me with these brawls is the number of supporters in attendance, even for very low level games.
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Camera phones strike again!!
Very unsavory stuff being captured like never before and hoovered up by online sporting sites only too happy to publish it!!
Ahem... HS wha...
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 23/10/2018 16:40:51
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jj19 (Galway) - Posts: 448 - 23/10/2018 16:48:01
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