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Replying To Trump2020:  "Should be good."
Are St Thomas the favourites for this one?

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2496 - 04/11/2018 19:44:57    2149534

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "Are St Thomas the favourites for this one?"
Yes they are favourites and deserve to be. I think Mellows are slightly better than they were last year but I expect Thomas's to come out on top by a few points. Thomas's improved a lot from last week and I think they are capable of raising it another notch.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1293 - 04/11/2018 20:02:18    2149538

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "Yes they are favourites and deserve to be. I think Mellows are slightly better than they were last year but I expect Thomas's to come out on top by a few points. Thomas's improved a lot from last week and I think they are capable of raising it another notch."
A clash of the previous two Callanan Cup winners, am I right?

PortInFaithful (Offaly) - Posts: 464 - 04/11/2018 20:37:48    2149545

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Replying To PortInFaithful:  "After watching Ballygunner and Ballyea on record and my god what an absolute epic battle between two never say die teams. Ballyea didn't deserve to lose out in a second period of extra time but Pauric Mahony's point taking, his brother Philip's last ditch goal and Niall Deasy's nerves of steel to point the 65 at the death. I'd watch it all over again.

Impressive win for Coolderry over Mount Leinster Rangers particularly after going down to 14 men at the start of the second half and then 13 late on after Mark Bergin got the line. Bergin was having a fine game up until that. MLR were disappointing in the second half and couldn't handle the movement of Kevin Connolly and Brian Carroll inside. Ballyboden or Clonkill up next for the Offaly champions on 18th November. It will be desperately hard for the Clonkill players to get their heads focussed for the Ballyboden game after the terrible tragedy in their club. I hope they can.

18 point victory for Na Piarsaigh. How serious are the injuries to Shane Dowling, Ronan Lynch and Kieran Kennedy?

Also a fine win for Naomh Eanna beating Camross in Portlaoise without three regular starters due to suspension. They set up a semi final date with Ballyhale in two weeks time also.

Any updates on the intermediate and junior club provincial championships? Offaly senior B champions Ballinamere beat the famed old Faughs of Dublin in the Leinster intermediate at Parnell Park on Saturday."
As regards NAPs injuries I think Lynchs are just soft tissue (incidentally he had a fine game again, spraying some great passes, showing fine positional sense and hitting three great long range scores). I would be certain Shane will not play in the final and it could be either way with Kieran. I thought CLonoulty looked poor, but few clubs would have lived with NAP today. They could have at least three more goals in the first fifteen minutes alone and looked in charge almost from the word go. It will take a fair team to stop them.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 2275 - 04/11/2018 21:02:31    2149551

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "Are St Thomas the favourites for this one?"
Favorites? Hard to say. Mellows are the defending county champs but Thomas's are the form team this season. I'd give the slightest edge to St Thomas's.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 485 - 05/11/2018 03:31:20    2149581

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problem with the club championship is it is played at the worst time of year for hurling.the best team in the country can always be brought down to a hacking match by a bunch of tough,dogged battlers.
i always said it was why oulart did not win a lot more,they were all class hurlers but often lacked that battler.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3459 - 05/11/2018 10:13:48    2149596

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Replying To perfect10:  "problem with the club championship is it is played at the worst time of year for hurling.the best team in the country can always be brought down to a hacking match by a bunch of tough,dogged battlers.
i always said it was why oulart did not win a lot more,they were all class hurlers but often lacked that battler."
Perfect10
I always think Oulart took longer than they should have to win a Leinster title, but they also took an awful long time to win their first title in Wexford in 94. They had fine teams in the 70s', 80s' and early 90s', but they just came short on many occasions and the same thing happened thereafter in Leinster. The same happened with Patrickswell in Munster. They were so often the second best team in the province, but never won an All Ireland. This may be due to the fact that they did not get out in their provimce often enough.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 2275 - 05/11/2018 12:02:14    2149625

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Replying To bloodyban:  "It's not the soft ground that was Thurles issue it was that they are soft full stop. That they managed to lose so many games they were in control of in Munster tells a tail. And they were not that good anyway, mediocre teams with heart beat them. The Tipperary championship is not a good standard anyway....witness Na Piarsaigh beating Clonulty up a stick. They never had a hope."
Hard to argue with that. Went very much as expected. NAP are a professional very well resourced outfit. Their underage teams are treated like intercounty panels.
Tipp have too many senior teams and too many backdoors. The structure needs to be looked at. The last few cship changes have been a joke really.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2707 - 05/11/2018 18:04:02    2149709

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Hard to argue with that. Went very much as expected. NAP are a professional very well resourced outfit. Their underage teams are treated like intercounty panels.
Tipp have too many senior teams and too many backdoors. The structure needs to be looked at. The last few cship changes have been a joke really."
was the old system years ago where you had the four divisions in Tipp and the top two in each played their divisional final leaving 8 teams left in total for quarter finals....there seems to be a lot of games now between north, south, west and mid teams before even a divisional final is played...the old north final used to be a great occasion and it meant something too to win it..i remember when I was small a rip roaring game between Newport and Lorrha in 1996 in nenagh with 7 or 8 thousand at it

preddan (Kildare) - Posts: 428 - 06/11/2018 15:47:13    2149906

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Replying To preddan:  "was the old system years ago where you had the four divisions in Tipp and the top two in each played their divisional final leaving 8 teams left in total for quarter finals....there seems to be a lot of games now between north, south, west and mid teams before even a divisional final is played...the old north final used to be a great occasion and it meant something too to win it..i remember when I was small a rip roaring game between Newport and Lorrha in 1996 in nenagh with 7 or 8 thousand at it"
Yeah, I'd agree with that. It was straightforward to follow, four divisions, with the eight divisional finalists, make county quarter-finals. There are definitely too many senior clubs in Tipp too, you see the knock-on effect of it by how poorly our intermediate and junior champions do in Munster too.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2496 - 06/11/2018 18:15:09    2149943

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Replying To bloodyban:  "It's not the soft ground that was Thurles issue it was that they are soft full stop. That they managed to lose so many games they were in control of in Munster tells a tail. And they were not that good anyway, mediocre teams with heart beat them. The Tipperary championship is not a good standard anyway....witness Na Piarsaigh beating Clonulty up a stick. They never had a hope."
Are you saying Ballygunner and Ballyea are mediocre teams then? I think you are underestimating both of them. Ballygunner have a good spine with O'Keefe, Coughlan, Wayne Hutchinson, and the two Mahonys. Jack Browne, Tony Kelly, Deasy, and Gary Brennan are not half bad either.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2496 - 06/11/2018 18:33:46    2149947

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Perfect10
I always think Oulart took longer than they should have to win a Leinster title, but they also took an awful long time to win their first title in Wexford in 94. They had fine teams in the 70s', 80s' and early 90s', but they just came short on many occasions and the same thing happened thereafter in Leinster. The same happened with Patrickswell in Munster. They were so often the second best team in the province, but never won an All Ireland. This may be due to the fact that they did not get out in their provimce often enough."
agree with you Oldtourman,they were symptomatic of wexford in the 70s 80s and 90s too.
now having said that,they did have rathnure and buffers alley who were just better then them in those decades.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3459 - 07/11/2018 08:56:30    2150002

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "Are you saying Ballygunner and Ballyea are mediocre teams then? I think you are underestimating both of them. Ballygunner have a good spine with O'Keefe, Coughlan, Wayne Hutchinson, and the two Mahonys. Jack Browne, Tony Kelly, Deasy, and Gary Brennan are not half bad either."
In their counties they are top sides obviously. I think ballygunnar have some very good hurlers but lack size and athletic ability. It's the opposite for Ballyea..they have some terrible hurlers but are big and strong.. They have Kelly and few more and great honesty but they are a mediocre side.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1156 - 07/11/2018 18:34:29    2150099

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Can anyone here tell me, at what time was the original fixture between Ballyboden and Clonkill supposed to take place last Sunday?
I had Ballyboden in a 5 selection accum. Ordinarily that would make it a losing docket but the large bookmaker with whom I placed the bet clearly state in their rules that if a GAA match is not played within 48 hours of the original fixture the selection is declared void for betting purposes. The game was played at 8pm last night which I know is something like 53 hours after the original fixture so legally they should be obliged to pay me on the 4 results I had correct but at the moment they are refusing to do so. I need to have all the facts before I take this further so would be grateful if someone could tell me at what time last Sunday it was originally fixed for. Thanks.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1293 - 07/11/2018 19:14:06    2150104

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "Are you saying Ballygunner and Ballyea are mediocre teams then? I think you are underestimating both of them. Ballygunner have a good spine with O'Keefe, Coughlan, Wayne Hutchinson, and the two Mahonys. Jack Browne, Tony Kelly, Deasy, and Gary Brennan are not half bad either."
That was some game between Ballygunner and Ballyea...great hurling! Love to see St. Thomas' v Ballygunner in the All Ireland Club Semi Final if they both win their next matches!!

katser (Galway) - Posts: 716 - 07/11/2018 20:29:13    2150119

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "Can anyone here tell me, at what time was the original fixture between Ballyboden and Clonkill supposed to take place last Sunday?
I had Ballyboden in a 5 selection accum. Ordinarily that would make it a losing docket but the large bookmaker with whom I placed the bet clearly state in their rules that if a GAA match is not played within 48 hours of the original fixture the selection is declared void for betting purposes. The game was played at 8pm last night which I know is something like 53 hours after the original fixture so legally they should be obliged to pay me on the 4 results I had correct but at the moment they are refusing to do so. I need to have all the facts before I take this further so would be grateful if someone could tell me at what time last Sunday it was originally fixed for. Thanks."
hi pool sturgeon the game was fixed for 2pm. I had a similar accum and its states clearly on website that its is void if it is not playedwithin 48 hours. It states clearly on website. you are a 100 percent to collect. Back to the games the all Ireland hurling is a fantastic competion that gets better every year.

hocles (Offaly) - Posts: 2 - 07/11/2018 21:07:25    2150124

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Replying To katser:  "That was some game between Ballygunner and Ballyea...great hurling! Love to see St. Thomas' v Ballygunner in the All Ireland Club Semi Final if they both win their next matches!!"
I'm pretty sure the Galway champs are playing the Ulster winners in this year's semi final.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 561 - 07/11/2018 21:27:12    2150127

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "I'm pretty sure the Galway champs are playing the Ulster winners in this year's semi final."
That is correct. Hopefully they will meet in the All Ireland Club Final then.

katser (Galway) - Posts: 716 - 07/11/2018 22:18:46    2150137

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Replying To hocles:  "hi pool sturgeon the game was fixed for 2pm. I had a similar accum and its states clearly on website that its is void if it is not playedwithin 48 hours. It states clearly on website. you are a 100 percent to collect. Back to the games the all Ireland hurling is a fantastic competion that gets better every year."
Thanks hocles for that. What particularly enraged me is that the same company invoked that 48 hour rule 6 months ago when I was expecting to collect on a winning bet on a game that was postponed for 7 days. They only refunded me my stake money then....now they are attempting to get away with waiving the same rule when it has worked against them.
Yes it's a great competition. Hard to figure out yet who will be collecting the trophy on St. Patrick's Day. At this stage I'd say NAP.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1293 - 07/11/2018 23:12:26    2150138

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Replying To katser:  "That was some game between Ballygunner and Ballyea...great hurling! Love to see St. Thomas' v Ballygunner in the All Ireland Club Semi Final if they both win their next matches!!"
it was a great game.i still cant understand why the galway and antrim champions are not in leinster.

in unrelated news,i was also DELIGHTED to see gorey beating camross after what happened in the laois co. final.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3459 - 08/11/2018 08:57:42    2150155

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