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Experimental Rule Changes Proposed For Gaelic Football

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I like alot of those rules but not the zoning.
The mark is a great idea as long as there is no diddy daddling on the free.
Hand pass rule would be good but 3 handpasses are far too little and would not work 7 handpasses is more realistic.
Tarismelting22 (Roscommon) - Posts: 301 - 02/10/2018 17:14:44
The rule about hand passes is to stop the over use of the handpass. 7 passes

Who'd be a referee. Counting handpasses, checking zones, a deck of cards with different rules depending on the sequence they're shown in, tracking direction of kicks. You'd nearly need zone based referees to keep track of affairs with so many parameters in play. It's a game of football at the end of the day not a space shuttle launch. Rules like 3 handpasses then kick sound great on paper but in practice I think this would be difficult for players to adapt to, years of playing with instinct, and difficult to referee. So if there are 3 handpasses in your 45 and you receive the ball just outside your 45 then solo charge to the other team's parallelogram you can't dish a handpass out to your half forward to clip a point when you come into contact with the backs? Sounds like a bit of a knee jerk reaction.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 3312 - 02/10/2018 17:20:08
As a ref counting handpasses is easy to do. I dont see how having to kick after a certain number of handpasses is difficult to manage. It just needs ref to count out loud handpasses "1....2.....3...kick pass now"
And i dont see how it would be difficult for players to adapt to. All you need to do to hand pass again is kick pass once and then hand pass again.

DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 341 - 02/10/2018 22:37:30    2144870

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Three hand passes passes followed by a short kick-pass (maybe backward) followed by another three hand passes and so on, would change very little.
If the changes are brought in, refs are going to have a lot on their plates which is worrying considering how difficult they find it to apply the rules consistently at the moment.
Interesting that a Black card is considered the eqivalent of two yellow cards.
The 'quick' kick-out brought in to speed-up the game is being replaced by a rule that will slow the game right down and be difficult to ref.
neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1349 - 02/10/2018 17:24:45
Maybe linesmen and umpires should be given more powers to make decisions which would help refs.

Where is the proposal to try and improve the standard of club and county refereeing around the country?
HandballRef (Donegal) - Posts: 440 - 02/10/2018 17:53:20
What would you do to improve standard of club and county refereeing?

DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 341 - 02/10/2018 22:41:21    2144871

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First they are just that, Experimental Rule Changes, let us see what affect they have on the game and then decide. But all this chit-chat for years now is achieving nothing all the while the game goes down the tube.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 3842 - 02/10/2018 22:52:15    2144875

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These rules changes remind me of when Homer Simpson was allowed to design a car and just added anything that popped into his mind.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 2129 - 02/10/2018 22:53:49    2144876

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Replying To TheUsername:  "The hand pass rule isn't needed either, I think it's enough to incentivize attacking play with the expansion of the mark.

Imagine the scenario a brilliant bit of attacking play player bearing down and goal, man inside, won't pass it because he can't be accurate with a kick pass hitting the buy line so instead goes for the safety option of the man behind.

Also, I think it creates a role for a safety player probably the sweeper. So teams break as usual. Nothing on they do three hand passes in front of of a blanket, nothing on , if no obvious kick pass is on, they kick it back back to the safety player and go again.

Take Dublin playing and probing for an opening in front of a blanket, would change just means they kick it back to the safety player likely a Kilkenny or a O Sullivan every third hand pass.

We will be bemoaning the backward kick pass soon enough.

It's a model for time wasting and taking the sting or momentum out of the game."
What momentum? Have you not being watching the dross on offer atm?

Tadhgmacda (Limerick) - Posts: 88 - 02/10/2018 23:00:57    2144878

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How many average club goalkeepers can kick the ball past the 45 consistently. Add in a stiff wind and they are really in trouble. Can't see that one working. How many handpasses did Meath make for one of the most famous goals of all time against the dubs in 1990. Good handpassing moves can be great to watch.

Skippy2 (Carlow) - Posts: 22 - 02/10/2018 23:07:39    2144879

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Utter madness. A committee dominated by "hurling people" making rule suggestions for football?? Only one of the committee has coached football at an elite level (Cuthbert). These rules potentially take the fluidity and creativity out of the game. The result will be a game devoid of movement: keeper take a long kickout to big midfielder to claims a mark; the game stops; the midfielder kick a high ball into a Donaghy-style full-forward; he claims a mark and the game stops. He kicks an unopposed point; Opposing keeper now starts this sequence from the other end...

football first (None) - Posts: 1101 - 02/10/2018 23:18:55    2144880

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Replying To DonaldDuck:  "I like alot of those rules but not the zoning.
The mark is a great idea as long as there is no diddy daddling on the free.
Hand pass rule would be good but 3 handpasses are far too little and would not work 7 handpasses is more realistic.
Tarismelting22 (Roscommon) - Posts: 301 - 02/10/2018 17:14:44
The rule about hand passes is to stop the over use of the handpass. 7 passes

Who'd be a referee. Counting handpasses, checking zones, a deck of cards with different rules depending on the sequence they're shown in, tracking direction of kicks. You'd nearly need zone based referees to keep track of affairs with so many parameters in play. It's a game of football at the end of the day not a space shuttle launch. Rules like 3 handpasses then kick sound great on paper but in practice I think this would be difficult for players to adapt to, years of playing with instinct, and difficult to referee. So if there are 3 handpasses in your 45 and you receive the ball just outside your 45 then solo charge to the other team's parallelogram you can't dish a handpass out to your half forward to clip a point when you come into contact with the backs? Sounds like a bit of a knee jerk reaction.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 3312 - 02/10/2018 17:20:08
As a ref counting handpasses is easy to do. I dont see how having to kick after a certain number of handpasses is difficult to manage. It just needs ref to count out loud handpasses "1....2.....3...kick pass now"
And i dont see how it would be difficult for players to adapt to. All you need to do to hand pass again is kick pass once and then hand pass again."
Can you kick pass the ball to yourself?? (otherwise known as a solo!!)...

football first (None) - Posts: 1101 - 02/10/2018 23:21:48    2144881

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Replying To Barrowsider:  "Also this proposed mark, how will that discourage blanket defence, I mean isn't that what we are meant to be doing, discouraging negative play, all this does is give a guaranteed score if you catch the ball inside, this will encourage even more negative play not less. After reading this,brollys idea looks even more appealing, certainly if I had to choose between them I would go with his any day."
Are you talking about Brollys ideas about kick outs ?, are the kick outs/ zonal rules here not similar to Brollys ideas ?

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 476 - 02/10/2018 23:45:51    2144884

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A shot clock.
Must take a shot within a certain time period or hand over possession.
Done in many sports. Would stop the passing over and back

Kickitwillya (Cavan) - Posts: 3 - 03/10/2018 00:08:36    2144887

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I like the extension of the mark and the six bin. Not sold on the rest, as others have pointed out the game is already too hard to officiate. I know these are only proposals but even at that it's overkill.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 819 - 03/10/2018 00:14:17    2144889

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"They're meddling with forces they can't possibly comprehend..."

Hand pass rule, nonsense.

The kickout rule, Dali-esque.

The sideline rule, pointless.

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 308 - 03/10/2018 00:27:42    2144891

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Replying To bennybunny:  "If it is a guaranteed score, might it encourage more attacking play? Why not give it a chance?"
From a free tho basically and my point is because this will be seen as a way to get a score teams will deploy more defensively to stop a player making a mark. The thought process behind it is wrong. I'm all for trying out stuff but stuff that will improve the game.

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1145 - 03/10/2018 00:27:49    2144892

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A few things, They should state was the desired outcome of the rule change is. What do you want the game to be?

Presumably a hand pass restriction to three in a row is to guarantee more kicking. It will do that but kicks can be backwards, sideways basically very low risk kick passes. It also guarantees that high speed attacks with really intricate intelligent, well practised hand passing moves will be a thing of the past and I don't like that. As someone mentioned the Kevin foley meath goal would never have happened

The offensive mark is a rule that presumably is being recommended to encourage more catching and kicking. I suppose there is no guarantee it will do anything to change how teams approach a game though it will at least reward a clean catch inside the 20 metre line. It should encourage teams to keep players inside. It might encourage donegal to keep Michael Murphy inside. Mind you it might also encourage to keep him outside as he's the best kick passer we have! Though I'm not sure why you would only restrict it to a kick from outside the 45. Why not any kick from outside the 20 metre line. The kick distance would though have to be greater than say 13 metres (like aussie rules). If they do that it will encourage even more kicking. Overall this is a positive rule, it rewards both the kick and the catch and I'm all for trialing it.

Sin bin. What exactly is the goal. discourage cynical play I suppose? If you get two yellows you should be sent off, end of story. Sin bin for a cynical or dangerous (a foul not bad enough to be deemed a red) then I'd be OK but they need to define this better than the current black card foul.

The non back pass from a side line kick is to encourage teams to go forward. I'm indifferent about it.

And the kick out rule. What is that aimed at encouraging old style one on one competition in the middle of the field? Well if it is then as people have mentioned you'll just have your quickest player running into space every time and claiming a mark. It could lead to very little competition on the kick out. Why not just have 12 players 6 from each team and the goal keeper inside the 45 from the kick out and let the rest go where they want.

And one final rule that I don't why they didn't suggest is banning a pass to the keeper (apart from a free). this rule would encourage a full court press from the attacking team and takes a safety blanket away from the team trying to hold on to the ball. It's also really easy to ref it.

And on another note why don't the gaa set up their own discussion forum on the rules encouraging debate and discussion on this with the chaps who have made the proposals.

Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 87 - 03/10/2018 00:45:33    2144893

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Replying To Whammo86:  "These rules changes remind me of when Homer Simpson was allowed to design a car and just added anything that popped into his mind."
C'mon Whammo - I respect you more than that !

Two major problems in gaelic football - 1) ultra defence; and 2) Dubs inter-county dominance.

To address 1) - start with Brolly exclusion zone, BUT tweak - it certainly needs tweaking for sure, AND 'don't throw out the baby with the bath water'.

I would change the zone rule to require a minimum 'two players per side inside' - before a 3rd forward needs to be marked.

To address 2) - this is more problematic - my suggestion was add new teams to the inter-county AI SFC from the population centres - e.g. Dublin City North, Dun Laighaire and Cork West: and combine border neighboring minnows - e.g. South Leinster.

The minnows could revert to county jersey for the tiered NFL.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 1356 - 03/10/2018 01:10:08    2144894

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Impossible game now for referees. I think their bases are already loaded as it is. All these new changes will mean the introduction of a 2nd official. Otherwise, human nature will not be able to keep up with the demands.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3383 - 03/10/2018 02:29:00    2144898

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I'm more and more convinced that there exists a committee at HQ who make up stuff like this just to justify their own existence.

It's about time the GAA stopped reacting to whoever had the loudest rant on the Sunday Game.

muffinbutton (Clare) - Posts: 20 - 03/10/2018 04:31:04    2144899

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Replying To m_the_d:  "All the improvements in goalkeeping regarding accurate and varied kickouts, to be reduced to 'lump it'! Wonderful."
The aim is to stop the short kick outs going about 5 meters which are a disease in the game. In reality we won't go back to 2 big midfielders competing for high kick outs most of the time but the goal keeper kicking the ball wide for players to run into. But this should be a big improvement on where we at and in parallel with zonal rule for kickouts there will be much more space for a midfielder to kick the ball into the forwards.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 476 - 03/10/2018 08:13:37    2144901

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Replying To Skippy2:  "How many average club goalkeepers can kick the ball past the 45 consistently. Add in a stiff wind and they are really in trouble. Can't see that one working. How many handpasses did Meath make for one of the most famous goals of all time against the dubs in 1990. Good handpassing moves can be great to watch."
Could be a bit of an issue for some but since the kicking tee was brought in most can make 45 m line.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 476 - 03/10/2018 08:22:13    2144902

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "I like the extension of the mark and the six bin. Not sold on the rest, as others have pointed out the game is already too hard to officiate. I know these are only proposals but even at that it's overkill."
The extension if the mark, that is the one that worries me. Was at an Aussie rules match, it has good fielding but can be very stop start sport.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 476 - 03/10/2018 08:36:07    2144904

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