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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "As others have pointed out Bray and Navan have more than one club. Don't accuse me of fantasising!"
Lord help us. If that is the case then Portlaoise has loads of clubs, Emo, Clonad, Portlaoise and The Heath to name four.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1058 - 01/10/2018 21:27:18    2144687

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Replying To browncows:  "Not sure about your facts-Navan has teams which have won the last four senior championships (Navan O'Mahonys and Simonstown Gaels). Another team Bective which is intermediate is in the Navan parish so that is 3 teams in Navan.
Johnstown which is termed Navan has a population of 6 to 7 thousand but in the Walterstown parish. Navan without Johnstown would have a population of 23 thousand close to the population of Portlaoise at 22 thousand odd. Crossmaglen would have a population of approx. 1500 - 1/15 the population of Portlaoise."
Correct browncows there are essentially 4 clubs in navan when you include walterstown as a large area of navan is in the walterstown parish. As for the comment below about simonstown not being in navan well that's hard to believe really it is bang on the middle of navan!

Northsidegaels (Meath) - Posts: 173 - 01/10/2018 21:27:35    2144688

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Replying To Northsidegaels:  "Correct browncows there are essentially 4 clubs in navan when you include walterstown as a large area of navan is in the walterstown parish. As for the comment below about simonstown not being in navan well that's hard to believe really it is bang on the middle of navan!"
Fair enough you know Navan better than I do I'm sure but I thought Simonstown was out near Proudstown on the way to the race course? That would not be the centre of Navan.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1058 - 01/10/2018 21:50:36    2144695

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Some poster mentioned that Laois would not have won the Leinster Senior Football title in 2003 without Barry Brennan. Not true. He contributed handsomely with a point as a late sub. We won the game by 3 however, with the other late points from Ian Fitzgerald and Donal Miller, neither of whom have any Carlow connections.

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 175 - 01/10/2018 22:10:59    2144700

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The 1986 Laois winning team, I want to run through it as a poster said there were 5 Carlow players on it, which is incorrect.

1. Martin Conroy Ballyroan
2. Pat Dunne Ballyroan
3. Martin Dempsey St. Joseph's
4. Eddie Kelly O'Dempseys
5. Mick Ahearne O'Dempseys
6. Pat Brophy Emo
7. Colm Browne Portlaoise
8. Liam Irwin Ballyroan
9. John Costello O'Dempseys
10. Gerry Browne Portlaoise
11. Willie Brennan Graigue
12. Tom Prendergast Portlaoise
13. Mick Dempsey St. Joseph's
14. Eamonn Whelan Portlaoise
15. Christy Maguire Graigue
16. Noel Prendergast Portlaoise
17. Ger Lawlor Emo
18. Brian Nerney O'Dempseys
19. John Ramsbottom Timahoe

Now this is a factual panel from the league final v Monaghan 4th May 1986. There aren't 5 Carlow players. There aren't any. There are 2 Graiguecullen players. A Laois football club.

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 175 - 01/10/2018 23:07:53    2144711

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Was there not an attempt years ago to start a second GAA club in Portlaoise but people simply didnt want anything to do with it and it died a death?

To be fair to Colm Parkinson although a Portlaoise player he has alluded to the same issues with the Club being far too strong etc but im sure he mentioned the fact that there was attempts to get a second club up and running but the club never took off.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 742 - 02/10/2018 10:08:19    2144725

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "The 1986 Laois winning team, I want to run through it as a poster said there were 5 Carlow players on it, which is incorrect.

1. Martin Conroy Ballyroan
2. Pat Dunne Ballyroan
3. Martin Dempsey St. Joseph's
4. Eddie Kelly O'Dempseys
5. Mick Ahearne O'Dempseys
6. Pat Brophy Emo
7. Colm Browne Portlaoise
8. Liam Irwin Ballyroan
9. John Costello O'Dempseys
10. Gerry Browne Portlaoise
11. Willie Brennan Graigue
12. Tom Prendergast Portlaoise
13. Mick Dempsey St. Joseph's
14. Eamonn Whelan Portlaoise
15. Christy Maguire Graigue
16. Noel Prendergast Portlaoise
17. Ger Lawlor Emo
18. Brian Nerney O'Dempseys
19. John Ramsbottom Timahoe

Now this is a factual panel from the league final v Monaghan 4th May 1986. There aren't 5 Carlow players. There aren't any. There are 2 Graiguecullen players. A Laois football club."
Curly and Noel are from Bagenalstown but played for Portlaoise where they lived at the time. Christy and Willie are from Carlow town, Pascal Doran was injured and didn't play in the final is from Tinryland. There's your 5. Nuff said. You haven't gotten a single fact right yet so back to work with now making up your fantasy population projections. Good lad.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1058 - 02/10/2018 14:26:57    2144765

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Why do so many lads born and bred in Carlow want to play for Laois?

the_walls (Mayo) - Posts: 300 - 04/10/2018 11:49:46    2145093

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Replying To the_walls:  "Why do so many lads born and bred in Carlow want to play for Laois?"
Long story and and I won't go into it as it'll only start another row with the Planters about both history and geography. Suffice to say there's a long running dispute over Graiguecullen which won't be settled until that club is forced to play in Carlow again.

I could ask why do so many lads from Ballaghadereen want to play for Mayo?

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1058 - 04/10/2018 15:56:42    2145143

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Isn't there only one club in Clonmel? A bigger town? They are split in 2 for the 2 codes but isn't there only the one club?
Likewise Enniscorthy, a similar size town only have one club, again split in two?

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8034 - 04/10/2018 16:24:24    2145149

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Replying To Onion Breath:  "Long story and and I won't go into it as it'll only start another row with the Planters about both history and geography. Suffice to say there's a long running dispute over Graiguecullen which won't be settled until that club is forced to play in Carlow again.

I could ask why do so many lads from Ballaghadereen want to play for Mayo?"
Tbh if I was from anywhere in Carlow I would still want to play for laois.

maroonkingdom (Westmeath) - Posts: 38 - 04/10/2018 16:28:16    2145150

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How many underage sides per age group do Portlaoise field? Surely easiest way for a new club to be set up in town is start with new club(s) at underage level?

DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 341 - 04/10/2018 16:44:03    2145154

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Replying To Onion Breath:  "Long story and and I won't go into it as it'll only start another row with the Planters about both history and geography. Suffice to say there's a long running dispute over Graiguecullen which won't be settled until that club is forced to play in Carlow again.

I could ask why do so many lads from Ballaghadereen want to play for Mayo?"
But from going through the thread it doesn't seem to be just players from Graiguecullen, which I understand, they are playing in Laois. Maybe I've taken it up wrong but you seem to be making the point that you are losing lads from all over Carlow who are any way decent and have a family connection to Laois. I can't understand why they are not choosing their own county.

As for Ballagh, it's a Mayo club and has always been a Mayo club but I would be in favour of letting people from Ballagh choose whether they want to represent Mayo or Roscommon.

the_walls (Mayo) - Posts: 300 - 05/10/2018 12:38:06    2145271

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Replying To Liamwalkinstown:  "Isn't there only one club in Clonmel? A bigger town? They are split in 2 for the 2 codes but isn't there only the one club?
Likewise Enniscorthy, a similar size town only have one club, again split in two?"
2 clubs in enniscorthy, split geographicaly by the slaney.

Rapparees/Starlights on one side and Shamrocks on the other side but the Rocks have been struggling for a few years to be honest.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 742 - 05/10/2018 18:30:11    2145301

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Replying To tearintom:  "2 clubs in enniscorthy, split geographicaly by the slaney.

Rapparees/Starlights on one side and Shamrocks on the other side but the Rocks have been struggling for a few years to be honest."
Shamrocks over past Treacys is it?? Where is the pitch? All my years going to Enniscorthy I never even heard of them!!
Starlights/Raparees have some set up there now, superb place.
Would be familiar with the Dorans, a good GAA name in Wexford!

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8034 - 06/10/2018 14:55:07    2145366

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Replying To Liamwalkinstown:  "Shamrocks over past Treacys is it?? Where is the pitch? All my years going to Enniscorthy I never even heard of them!!
Starlights/Raparees have some set up there now, superb place.
Would be familiar with the Dorans, a good GAA name in Wexford!"
Out past Treacy's and turn off to the right off the oulart rod up past rectory heights housing estate, literally sitting directly underneath vinegar hill beside senans primary school.

The club has struggled to be honest and tend to lose players to the rapps/starlight's, Declan Ruth ex Wexford hurler was originally a Rock's player for example.

Yep bellfield is a fine set up for the rapps/stars, town teams are getting stronger with the exception of Ross which is always a good sign for the county, faythe harriers beat the rapps today in u17 premier final today in what was a cracking game of hurling.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 742 - 06/10/2018 22:45:30    2145394

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Replying To Onion Breath:  "Long story and and I won't go into it as it'll only start another row with the Planters about both history and geography. Suffice to say there's a long running dispute over Graiguecullen which won't be settled until that club is forced to play in Carlow again.

I could ask why do so many lads from Ballaghadereen want to play for Mayo?"
When the Ballaghadereen club was formed in the 1880's the land boundary of the area was in Co. Mayo, however a landlord got that area changed at a later dater into the County Roscommon boundary for financial reasons. Obviously the GAA club was not going to follow suit, hence Ballaghdereen to this day plays their football in Mayo. All clubs have history based on varying factors

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 1886 - 07/10/2018 11:44:11    2145415

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Replying To browncows:  "When the Ballaghadereen club was formed in the 1880's the land boundary of the area was in Co. Mayo, however a landlord got that area changed at a later dater into the County Roscommon boundary for financial reasons. Obviously the GAA club was not going to follow suit, hence Ballaghdereen to this day plays their football in Mayo. All clubs have history based on varying factors"
Thanks for that.

Not quite the same as Graigecullen then who currently are and always were in county Carlow.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1058 - 07/10/2018 20:44:04    2145465

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "The 1986 Laois winning team, I want to run through it as a poster said there were 5 Carlow players on it, which is incorrect.

1. Martin Conroy Ballyroan
2. Pat Dunne Ballyroan
3. Martin Dempsey St. Joseph's
4. Eddie Kelly O'Dempseys
5. Mick Ahearne O'Dempseys
6. Pat Brophy Emo
7. Colm Browne Portlaoise
8. Liam Irwin Ballyroan
9. John Costello O'Dempseys
10. Gerry Browne Portlaoise
11. Willie Brennan Graigue
12. Tom Prendergast Portlaoise
13. Mick Dempsey St. Joseph's
14. Eamonn Whelan Portlaoise
15. Christy Maguire Graigue
16. Noel Prendergast Portlaoise
17. Ger Lawlor Emo
18. Brian Nerney O'Dempseys
19. John Ramsbottom Timahoe

Now this is a factual panel from the league final v Monaghan 4th May 1986. There aren't 5 Carlow players. There aren't any. There are 2 Graiguecullen players. A Laois football club."
I think Matt Connor was born in Portarlington Hospital in Laois

crikey (Australia) - Posts: 349 - 10/10/2018 13:36:16    2145940

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Replying To crikey:  "I think Matt Connor was born in Portarlington Hospital in Laois"
Is it just Carlow footballers who seem to have the inclination and desire to play football for Laois, or does it also happen in hurling? Perhaps, it's vice-versa for hurling?

shoulderghost (Limerick) - Posts: 772 - 18/10/2018 05:11:49    2147055

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