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Can any people tell me how many of the dublin footballers are from other counties originally? like there parents?
dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 693 - 07/09/2018 11:52:55
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jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 07/09/2018 12:11:47
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Jesus Wept!
Like that matters..............
The same could be said of any county.
Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 07/09/2018 12:14:00
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Replying To dickie10: "Can any people tell me how many of the dublin footballers are from other counties originally? like there parents?" Are you asking how many of the Dublin footballers are, like their parents, from other counties originally?
If that's your question then the answer is none. They're all from Dublin ;)
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 07/09/2018 12:18:03
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Ffs we're all culchies down the line somewhere, if we weren't there'd be no GAA in Dublin.
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 07/09/2018 13:24:40
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Replying To realdub: "Ffs we're all culchies down the line somewhere, if we weren't there'd be no GAA in Dublin." Speak for yourself man, my ancestors sailed up the Liffey in a longboat in the 9th Century ;)
No Celtic blood in my veins, pure Viking!
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 07/09/2018 13:26:46
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poor old dickie
keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 07/09/2018 13:28:23
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Touchy subject!
bigboon (Tyrone) - Posts: 50 - 07/09/2018 13:34:48
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Is there some kind of support group going?
Asking for a friend! :D
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 07/09/2018 13:43:07
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Funny if you go far enough back most of us in Connacht are probably descendants of folks from Dublin and all over Ireland who were banished to Connacht..."to hell or to Connacht"
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11236 - 07/09/2018 13:54:34
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Replying To MesAmis: "Speak for yourself man, my ancestors sailed up the Liffey in a longboat in the 9th Century ;)
No Celtic blood in my veins, pure Viking!" :D
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 07/09/2018 14:40:39
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How many of the Mayo team have parents who are not from Mayo? Plenty of Galway players in either code have parents from other counties.
JDF (Galway) - Posts: 322 - 07/09/2018 14:46:46
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my god this is getting embarrassing. Every second thread on here is in someway linked to begrudging this Dublin teams success. Its absolutely petty.
ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 2007 - 07/09/2018 15:24:05
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I think this is quite an interesting topic and does have a serious relevance here. One of the reasons behind Dublins sucess one of the reasons of the growth of GAA in parts of suburbia Dublin , south Dublin , middle class Dublin, is country parents.
There has definitely been a shift in Dublin GAA from working class to more middle class. The classic example is Bonos parish Dalkey winning a hurling club All-Ireland. 10 or 15 years ago this was unimaginable.
Let me explain. If you look at Dublin teams of 70s 80s 90s etc. I would say most players came from Dublin familes. Of course there was some that didnt eg Paul Currans father won All Ireland with Meath, Paddy Christie also I think family was from Meath with a grandfather winning an All Ireland with Meath, Sean Doherty was from Wicklow etc. But many were from Dublin families. Now the current team , so many have country parents. Brogans have a kerry mother, Sullivan has kerry father, McMemanin and quite a few of the players have Donegal parents. So many of the current Dublin team have country parenta. Something has happened.
In the 60s 70s 80s 90s people moved from rural Ireland to Dublin for education or job reasons. They settled down. Many of them were guard teachers , other similar occupations. They brought with them a love of GAA. They passed on to their children two important characteristics, they emphasised education was very important and they gave their children a love a passion of GAA. These families moved to the suburbs and jioned the local Dublin GAA. Today you will find so many individuals who are involved in local Dublin GAA club for twenty or thirty clubs but orginally from the country.
The country parents emphasised the importance of education eg so many current Dublin players have attended third level education. Of course it must be said all county teams now have more third level students then the panels of old which had farmers etc. But these country parents passed on a passion and love of GAA also. So many of the current Dublin team have country parents. This is a simple observational fact.
So the sucess of this Dublin team is down to many things. Brillant managers like Gilroy Farrell and Galvin who changed the mindset of Dublin team players a golden generation of players. But a secondary reason is the migration of country folk to the capital in 70s 80s 90s etc. People used to say migration from western seaboard was one of the reasons for Meaths sucess. On closer examination this wasnt as influential as people thought. Meaths All Irelands wins in 40s 50s and 60s happened when migration was just occurring. It had more impact on teams of 80s and 90s with some players having west of Ireland parents. (But it cannot be solely explained because kildare had just as similar migration from the west but only reached 1 senior All Ireland final in 90 years to Meaths 15 All Ireland senior appearances.)
This current Dublin team is a greater example of migration having a positive on a counties sucess. Its interesting that the first 15 or so All Irelands won by Dublin were basically country lads playing for Dublin. In an All Ireland final in the early 40s between Dublin and kerry the best kerry player was playing for Dublin and best player on the field was a longford man playing for Dublin. Dublin have 7 senior hurling All Irelands, yet only 2 or 3 players born in Dublin have winners medals. As those hurling teams were made of country players. It was not til 50s that you had Dublin players born and bred in Dublin playing and winning All Irelands for Dublin.
And here we have today the current great Dublin team also having such a country dimension to it. I would say that maybe 20% of Dublin teams from 80s and 90s had country parents. I would say 80% plus of the current team or panel have country parents. Its an interesting development.
But there definatly has been a shift of Dublin GAA to the suburbs in recent times. And if you look closely country parents with a love of GAA have had very positive impact on modern Dublin GAA.
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 07/09/2018 15:35:15
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Replying To MesAmis: "Speak for yourself man, my ancestors sailed up the Liffey in a longboat in the 9th Century ;)
No Celtic blood in my veins, pure Viking!" Not your fault. Don't feel bad about it.
neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 07/09/2018 16:25:49
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Replying To Furlong1949: "I think this is quite an interesting topic and does have a serious relevance here. One of the reasons behind Dublins sucess one of the reasons of the growth of GAA in parts of suburbia Dublin , south Dublin , middle class Dublin, is country parents.
There has definitely been a shift in Dublin GAA from working class to more middle class. The classic example is Bonos parish Dalkey winning a hurling club All-Ireland. 10 or 15 years ago this was unimaginable.
Let me explain. If you look at Dublin teams of 70s 80s 90s etc. I would say most players came from Dublin familes. Of course there was some that didnt eg Paul Currans father won All Ireland with Meath, Paddy Christie also I think family was from Meath with a grandfather winning an All Ireland with Meath, Sean Doherty was from Wicklow etc. But many were from Dublin families. Now the current team , so many have country parents. Brogans have a kerry mother, Sullivan has kerry father, McMemanin and quite a few of the players have Donegal parents. So many of the current Dublin team have country parenta. Something has happened.
In the 60s 70s 80s 90s people moved from rural Ireland to Dublin for education or job reasons. They settled down. Many of them were guard teachers , other similar occupations. They brought with them a love of GAA. They passed on to their children two important characteristics, they emphasised education was very important and they gave their children a love a passion of GAA. These families moved to the suburbs and jioned the local Dublin GAA. Today you will find so many individuals who are involved in local Dublin GAA club for twenty or thirty clubs but orginally from the country.
The country parents emphasised the importance of education eg so many current Dublin players have attended third level education. Of course it must be said all county teams now have more third level students then the panels of old which had farmers etc. But these country parents passed on a passion and love of GAA also. So many of the current Dublin team have country parents. This is a simple observational fact.
So the sucess of this Dublin team is down to many things. Brillant managers like Gilroy Farrell and Galvin who changed the mindset of Dublin team players a golden generation of players. But a secondary reason is the migration of country folk to the capital in 70s 80s 90s etc. People used to say migration from western seaboard was one of the reasons for Meaths sucess. On closer examination this wasnt as influential as people thought. Meaths All Irelands wins in 40s 50s and 60s happened when migration was just occurring. It had more impact on teams of 80s and 90s with some players having west of Ireland parents. (But it cannot be solely explained because kildare had just as similar migration from the west but only reached 1 senior All Ireland final in 90 years to Meaths 15 All Ireland senior appearances.)
This current Dublin team is a greater example of migration having a positive on a counties sucess. Its interesting that the first 15 or so All Irelands won by Dublin were basically country lads playing for Dublin. In an All Ireland final in the early 40s between Dublin and kerry the best kerry player was playing for Dublin and best player on the field was a longford man playing for Dublin. Dublin have 7 senior hurling All Irelands, yet only 2 or 3 players born in Dublin have winners medals. As those hurling teams were made of country players. It was not til 50s that you had Dublin players born and bred in Dublin playing and winning All Irelands for Dublin.
And here we have today the current great Dublin team also having such a country dimension to it. I would say that maybe 20% of Dublin teams from 80s and 90s had country parents. I would say 80% plus of the current team or panel have country parents. Its an interesting development.
But there definatly has been a shift of Dublin GAA to the suburbs in recent times. And if you look closely country parents with a love of GAA have had very positive impact on modern Dublin GAA." Good post. Enjoyed reading it.
But then there are many legacy players on the Dublin team also i mean the Brogans, McCarthy's, Rocks, McCafferys, Coopers all had fathers who represented Dublin a generation or a couple ago. You have Costello whose father is heavily involved in Dublin GAA at a structural level. There is also a good few examples of 1995 All Ireland winning teams children appearing at underage.
Actually when i think of it is there another team in the country who have as strong multi generational representation for one county in their senior teams?
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 07/09/2018 16:44:06
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Replying To TheUsername: "Good post. Enjoyed reading it.
But then there are many legacy players on the Dublin team also i mean the Brogans, McCarthy's, Rocks, McCafferys, Coopers all had fathers who represented Dublin a generation or a couple ago. You have Costello whose father is heavily involved in Dublin GAA at a structural level. There is also a good few examples of 1995 All Ireland winning teams children appearing at underage.
Actually when i think of it is there another team in the country who have as strong multi generational representation for one county in their senior teams?" Ur r rite Username
I should have said also so many players had fathers on the team also. Thats a very interesting point. You get the feeling there is a real family
vibe, togetherness with this Dublin team. That so many of their fathers played for Dublin is a help.
A county that has always had huge family eg, brother father's cousins son playing of course is kilkenny hurling. In kilkeeny you have the Fennellys , the Hendersons , the Powers, the Hennesseys, the Powers etc. Surely It's no coincidence that the two greatest teams of the modern era in hurling and football have a great tradition of fathers and sons playing for their county.
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 07/09/2018 17:21:30
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Replying To Furlong1949: "I think this is quite an interesting topic and does have a serious relevance here. One of the reasons behind Dublins sucess one of the reasons of the growth of GAA in parts of suburbia Dublin , south Dublin , middle class Dublin, is country parents.
There has definitely been a shift in Dublin GAA from working class to more middle class. The classic example is Bonos parish Dalkey winning a hurling club All-Ireland. 10 or 15 years ago this was unimaginable.
Let me explain. If you look at Dublin teams of 70s 80s 90s etc. I would say most players came from Dublin familes. Of course there was some that didnt eg Paul Currans father won All Ireland with Meath, Paddy Christie also I think family was from Meath with a grandfather winning an All Ireland with Meath, Sean Doherty was from Wicklow etc. But many were from Dublin families. Now the current team , so many have country parents. Brogans have a kerry mother, Sullivan has kerry father, McMemanin and quite a few of the players have Donegal parents. So many of the current Dublin team have country parenta. Something has happened.
In the 60s 70s 80s 90s people moved from rural Ireland to Dublin for education or job reasons. They settled down. Many of them were guard teachers , other similar occupations. They brought with them a love of GAA. They passed on to their children two important characteristics, they emphasised education was very important and they gave their children a love a passion of GAA. These families moved to the suburbs and jioned the local Dublin GAA. Today you will find so many individuals who are involved in local Dublin GAA club for twenty or thirty clubs but orginally from the country.
The country parents emphasised the importance of education eg so many current Dublin players have attended third level education. Of course it must be said all county teams now have more third level students then the panels of old which had farmers etc. But these country parents passed on a passion and love of GAA also. So many of the current Dublin team have country parents. This is a simple observational fact.
So the sucess of this Dublin team is down to many things. Brillant managers like Gilroy Farrell and Galvin who changed the mindset of Dublin team players a golden generation of players. But a secondary reason is the migration of country folk to the capital in 70s 80s 90s etc. People used to say migration from western seaboard was one of the reasons for Meaths sucess. On closer examination this wasnt as influential as people thought. Meaths All Irelands wins in 40s 50s and 60s happened when migration was just occurring. It had more impact on teams of 80s and 90s with some players having west of Ireland parents. (But it cannot be solely explained because kildare had just as similar migration from the west but only reached 1 senior All Ireland final in 90 years to Meaths 15 All Ireland senior appearances.)
This current Dublin team is a greater example of migration having a positive on a counties sucess. Its interesting that the first 15 or so All Irelands won by Dublin were basically country lads playing for Dublin. In an All Ireland final in the early 40s between Dublin and kerry the best kerry player was playing for Dublin and best player on the field was a longford man playing for Dublin. Dublin have 7 senior hurling All Irelands, yet only 2 or 3 players born in Dublin have winners medals. As those hurling teams were made of country players. It was not til 50s that you had Dublin players born and bred in Dublin playing and winning All Irelands for Dublin.
And here we have today the current great Dublin team also having such a country dimension to it. I would say that maybe 20% of Dublin teams from 80s and 90s had country parents. I would say 80% plus of the current team or panel have country parents. Its an interesting development.
But there definatly has been a shift of Dublin GAA to the suburbs in recent times. And if you look closely country parents with a love of GAA have had very positive impact on modern Dublin GAA." Dalkey would have been a working class area (same as Howth) before the millionaires moved in. I would imagine its GAA strength originate from that time and probably is the main driver of it still. Just cos its a rich man's paradise now doesn't mean that the rich are actively or even passively involved in it.
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1904 - 07/09/2018 17:42:02
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Replying To neverright: "Not your fault. Don't feel bad about it." Never feel bad about our Viking past.
We're as much a Viking nation as a Celtic one in anyways.
Very few people even in the Gaelic West that wouldn't have a drop of the Northmen's blood in them.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 07/09/2018 17:51:54
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well this is my point as furlong has stated. lets not forget a very important fact, along with the country people heading to dublin in 70s ,80s and 90s , the make up of these people should not be forgotten. most of these were college educated when this was rare. they were probably the most intelligent of the family. they brought brains to dublin GAA by which i mean a brain drain was the result in many areas of the country. so dublin gained people with good prfessional contacts, good organistional skills, driven people etc. this becomes even more apparaent from the 90s and 00s. they may be now middle class country people leaving rural areas for dublin at age of 19 and going to college and then settling in dublin but they dont gravitate in large numbers to rugby its still the GAA they become involved in. I have seen this in the last decade in south meath where we have got the exact same results happening, we have gained middle class immigrants mostly from dublin but also other counties who have settled in my village as a suburb of dublin. these people are 90% college educated, bring great enthusiasm, volunteerism spirit and organisational skills, they also have contacts thoughout the country, this becomes important for fundraising ,getting GAA grants and all sorts of day to day work in a GAA club. so meath and kildare are now experiencing what dublin did for decades. we now need to follow the dublin gaa template to become successful. of course by using these valuable new gaa members we can gain more coaching staff, money ,grants into the county. this is all great for the likes of meath and kildare but still a huge problem for more rural ireland. (im not sure you can really classify meath/kildare as rural ireland any more)
dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 693 - 07/09/2018 19:28:37
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