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No google search carried out, nobody giving the information on a plate -> happy to keep the head in the sand Link: http://www.stsylvesters.ie/files/the-blue-wave.pdf Andy Kettle's Blue Wave document. From page 29: The Strategic Committee believes that there should be a mutual recognition of the interdependent relationship between Dublin's ambitions for the GAA in the capital city and the overall wellbeing of the Association. It will require Dublin County Board to step up to its responsibility to implement the strategic initiatives recommended in this review. It will also require Central Council to embrace a different funding model, one which addresses the strategic significance of Dublin. One way of addressing this issue is for the GAA to extend Provincial status to Dublin for certain purposes including: ■ providing a long-term commitment to an agreed minimum annual level of funding, commensurate with the development challenge for the GAA in Dublin, to support games development, and club and county infrastructure development. ■ affording the Chairman of the Dublin Co Board permanent representation on Coisti Banaistí."]Seriously? Did you even read what you copied and pasted or did you just put in the first item that had a key word search including "provincial status"? Firstly, the provided quotes are different so I'm not sure why you've included these as a way to corroborate the original post. Secondly, the quotes just refer to a suggestion to extend provincial status to Dublin for funding purposes and to support the overall GAA strategy- no aspect refers to Dublin competing on a provincial level. Can you please explain what point exactly you were trying to make with the provided quotes as I am genuinely lost?"]The original quote from legend started with: "From a financial point of view we do need to be pushing for provincial status." The quote from the blue wave document is not identical but in essence is the same thing. I don't see any merit in the idead of Dublin competing at a provincial level and haven't mentioned it. You brought it up in reply so perhaps you have gotten yourself lost there. Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 522 - 10/09/2018 16:36:11 2140807 Link 1 |
Dublin GAA have done great work in promoting gaelic games and the popularity of the games in the capital is a joy. Their superb football team are wonderful ambassadors for the game. Is their any hope that Antrim with its huge population cannot take a leaf from Dublin GAA and lay the foundations for future success. fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 598 - 10/09/2018 17:04:25 2140817 Link 2 |
Dublin GAA have done great work in promoting gaelic games and the popularity of the games in the capital is a joy. Their superb football team are wonderful ambassadors for the game. Is their any hope that Antrim with its huge population cannot take a leaf from Dublin GAA and lay the foundations for future success."]Comparing Dublin with Belfast or Antrim as a county for that matter is completely chalk and cheese I'm afraid. I'd love nothing more than to see Antrim in any way shape or form near the level of the Dubs. But what works for Dublin would hit a brick wall up here. Just take a look at Casement Park in its current condition. It is symbolic of the mismanagement of our county on all levels. Id be here all evening talking about the many hurdles holding us back as a county. Anything that is going to work for us will take a lot longer than it did for Dublin who were hardly on the scrap heap beforehand anyway. SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 10/09/2018 17:44:39 2140831 Link 0 |
If Dublin is split into however many, will Dubs not want the old entity retained in some form? legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 10/09/2018 19:06:46 2140847 Link 0 |
Dublin will not be split into many, despite the number of times you say it. If splitting were to take place on the basis of population, surely Leitrim would be the common denominator and Kerry would be split in five as Kerry have approximately five times the population of Leitrim and I would not like to have Dublin and Kerry split in many. fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 598 - 10/09/2018 20:25:19 2140857 Link 2 |
Ah! the spin doctor himself.
neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 10/09/2018 20:27:35 2140858 Link 0 |
The majority of the Dubs panel were apparently back in the gym last Thursday. ;) TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 10/09/2018 20:41:20 2140860 Link 2 |
It appears they have their eye on five in a row.
fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 598 - 10/09/2018 20:54:37 2140869 Link 0 |
To be fair they have the club championship in mind I would say too. In Cluxtons speech this year he said they prepare for the All Ireland championship for 50 weeks in the year. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 10/09/2018 20:59:23 2140870 Link 1 |
If Leitrim was the common denominator then Dublin would be entering 50 different teams in to the championship such is the gulf in population alone never mind money, with their approx 1.5 million population to our approx 30,000.
leitrim4sam (Leitrim) - Posts: 645 - 10/09/2018 21:41:56 2140881 Link 2 |
The point that was been made is that many counties would have to be split, if population is a factor. Antrim has the second largest population in Ireland, would you split that county into numerous parts also. Cork have more registered players than Dublin, would you split that into more parts than you would split Dublin. People begrudge Dublins success despite the excellent football they play. It would be great if other counties could play the quality football that Dublin play. Good luck to Leitrim in their quest for Sam. fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 598 - 10/09/2018 22:17:05 2140889 Link 3 |
There needs to be a second tier championhsip...we have it in club football. It's a no brainer. If it's marketed and promoted correctly there is no reason why the second tier can't work out. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11236 - 10/09/2018 22:41:24 2140896 Link 4 |
The population of dublin is still dwarfing every other county hence the call for a split. Saying other counties that have big populations so should be split is a silly argument to be honest which adds nothing to the debate that needs to be had, a simple look at the populations of each county tells you that. I dont agree with a split personally but the populations are there of a province, the financial backing is there of a province and those facts mean people will be calling for a split. When we look at the leinster championship its dead and buried with one county with the population and backing of a province taking on counties whos nearest comparison is Kildare whose population and finance is dwarfed by Dublin. The football argument needs to be seperated from the funding and population argument imho as ive said previously. tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1349 - 11/09/2018 09:53:34 2140933 Link 1 |
Exactly, none of the other counties are receiving the funding and administration of provincial status.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 11/09/2018 10:47:08 2140948 Link 1 |
How do you suggest all these other counties mount a sustainable challenge to Dublin? It's not as if nobody is trying. Every county, including your own, can have a particular bunch of players come along and over 5-7 years give Dublin a game but chances are Dublin's talent pool will outlast yours. Personally I like to think we are a coming team, a decent senior squad already in place and an All Ireland u20 winning team to blend into that squad, so we'll see what we can do but Dublin will always have advantages over everyone else, Dublin fans themselves acknowledge that. Every county has hard working coaches and volunteers who give their best, but if you are working from a smaller base than the team at the top you can pull your socks up as far as you want, it still may not be enough as every single county us finding out. On the Derry thing, if that is going to be the future nothing will matter because nobody will be watching anyway.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 11/09/2018 11:51:57 2140974 Link 3 |
The best Dublin team on and off the pitch of all time and like all great sides will only be truly appreciated in years to come. Do Dublin have huge advantages over other counties? of course they do but that's hardly their fault and as others have said similar inequalities exist right throughout the organisation. The two Newbridge clubs have practically farmed out the Kildare senior championship this century but at least Athy and Celbridge nick the odd one and have more or less equal potential. Leaving the central funding out of it their own business model with AIG and several other partners is something no other county can aspire to and has played a huge role in widening the gap, remember sponsorship is a relatively new thing and Dublin have it to a fine art. Mayo and Kerry have raised huge funds abroad but that's not sustainable especially when the ultimate success doesn't follow. So for me the titles are neither bought or tarnished but the current model isn't sustainable either. lillyboy (Kildare) - Posts: 429 - 11/09/2018 13:19:57 2141005 Link 0 |
This... "but if you are working from a smaller base than the team at the top you can pull your socks up as far as you want, it still may not be enough" ...is all relative though isn't it? Kerry are working from a smaller base than Cork, Sligo from a smaller base than Galway, almost every county from a smaller base than Antrim and Leitrim from a smaller base than any county. This has always been the case but if you think this is the root cause of the problem, if there is one, and the secret to Dublin's success, how do you propose to solve it? Croatia nearly won the world cup this year!!
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 11/09/2018 15:32:59 2141039 Link 1 |
The reality is that Dublin underachieved for many years, especially in the 80's, 90's and 00's. This was partially down to the Kerry team of the 80s, the kerry/tyrone team of the 00s. the 90s is enigmatic, as there were so many teams involved in the race for sam. But the bottom line is that in the late 00s and early teens, they got their act together. Of course money had an impact on this. But there were other factors too (Dublin had good sponsorship previous to their more recent suitors). Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 11/09/2018 16:53:14 2141060 Link 3 |
"Croatia nearly won the world cup this year" is the same as saying Tyrone nearly won the All Ireland. Bottom line is neither one did win either competition so its a lazy line to throw up. Of course some other team will end up in a final, are you saying the height of everyone else's ambitions now is to be "the other team" and accept that that's our lot?
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 11/09/2018 17:57:47 2141074 Link 5 |
I'd agree with a lot of this. The lack of underage success within Dublin would suggest that the simple equation of money + population = success is completely false. This is evidenced by the lack of success for the hurlers also. Funding has been split evenly between football and hurling for over two decades in Dublin I believe. Dubs have favoured the big ball since the 70s successes and hence youths have gravitated towards that code. Cork have a bigger pooulation, more clubs and more money than most hurling counties yet Liam has evaded them. Why? I think bearing these factors in mind, Dublin's lack of success at underage, Kerry's overachievements at underage and there may be a changing of the guard shortly. Dublin's current success is very much hinged on a golden generation of very talented footballers, grounded by a very shrewd coaching panel and management team. Contrary to the belief of some flat earthers in the media, a certain Kildare man comes to mind, Dublin will not dominate for eternity, on a wave of endless investment and a population the size of China. I do expect them to be competitive though but then again they always have been, just like Kerry.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 11/09/2018 17:59:48 2141076 Link 0 |