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Username, its been countered many times but as you said in your opening line, you just don't(and won't) accept it. So if you close your mind off to something then there's no point in anyone trying to argue the point. And telling us all we just don't understand the figures and you must be the brightest boy in the class is never a good look. Who are the best funded county by the way by your analysis? Just curious.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 05/09/2018 11:21:47 2139382 Link 4 |
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Username, its been countered many times but as you said in your opening line, you just don't(and won't) accept it. So if you close your mind off to something then there's no point in anyone trying to argue the point. And telling us all we just don't understand the figures and you must be the brightest boy in the class is never a good look. Who are the best funded county by the way by your analysis? Just curious."]I apolgise if that sounded arrogant, that wasn't my intention, just i think that evaluating an outcome by one source of finance while makes good copy is not genuine. Like i say mate you are welcome, to rebut the figures, but just saying they are untrue isnt countering the point i made. Im open minded on the finance piece, ive went off and looked into it. Ive critiqued both the figures presented by both Shane Mangan and the other journalist who sues his breakdown. Im just presenting my analysis with the actual figures. Im very open minded to any counter to my points, im just rebutting. Honestly i would have very different opinion on it if Dublin say had registered players of 500k or so. conversely that would bring down per registered player ratio to GDF, but would be terrible for gaelic football really, which is why that ratio is useless and as well as not being the purpose of the allocation of the GDF, Year to year, the county changes cumulatively as it probably should, this year in particular Kerry have done well, if you apply the population ratio to GDF, capital grants and commercial revenue, Cork received great support on the capital front with PUC. And Mayo posted phenomenal commercial figures, 70 odd k less then Dublin. Dont get me wrong im not crying poor mouth here Dublin are up there. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 05/09/2018 11:39:17 2139391 Link 4 |
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for years i thought colm orourke was mad but now its there for all to see the only way to keep any intrest in gaelic football is to split in dublin in two at least dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 693 - 05/09/2018 12:20:06 2139408 Link 2 |
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No I disagree with the above. The GAA needs to start funding the West a bit more. Give money to Mayo, Galway and Roscommon. And also Ulster GAA. This will help the West overcome the big bad Dubs. Remember the Dubs are also up against Leinster rugby, Republic of Ireland soccer team, Horse racing, boxing, Athletics and even Hockey. galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2520 - 05/09/2018 13:25:23 2139448 Link 0 |
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Username, its been countered many times but as you said in your opening line, you just don't(and won't) accept it. So if you close your mind off to something then there's no point in anyone trying to argue the point. And telling us all we just don't understand the figures and you must be the brightest boy in the class is never a good look. Who are the best funded county by the way by your analysis? Just curious."]I apolgise if that sounded arrogant, that wasn't my intention, just i think that evaluating an outcome by one source of finance while makes good copy is not genuine. Like i say mate you are welcome, to rebut the figures, but just saying they are untrue isnt countering the point i made. Im open minded on the finance piece, ive went off and looked into it. Ive critiqued both the figures presented by both Shane Mangan and the other journalist who sues his breakdown. Im just presenting my analysis with the actual figures. Im very open minded to any counter to my points, im just rebutting. Honestly i would have very different opinion on it if Dublin say had registered players of 500k or so. conversely that would bring down per registered player ratio to GDF, but would be terrible for gaelic football really, which is why that ratio is useless and as well as not being the purpose of the allocation of the GDF, Year to year, the county changes cumulatively as it probably should, this year in particular Kerry have done well, if you apply the population ratio to GDF, capital grants and commercial revenue, Cork received great support on the capital front with PUC. And Mayo posted phenomenal commercial figures, 70 odd k less then Dublin. Dont get me wrong im not crying poor mouth here Dublin are up there."]I don't generally take you to be an arrogant poster so I accept you didn't mean it to come across that way. But you say saying something is untrue doesn't make it so but that's exactly what you are yourself doing. I will freely admit I'm not well versed enough or right now have the time to research which figures are the more accurate but this is like a court case with two sides arguing a point. Everyone is entitled to look at both presentations and come to their own conclusion. You say you wouldn't accept the opposition analysis of the figures unless Dublin had a registered player pool of 500k or so, roughly one player per three of population but no county anywhere has that so you are setting the bar very high. And anyhow, the present situation is already terrible for Gaelic football as the falling attendances are indicating. 53k for an All Ireland semi final with the best team in the country in it is a terrible attendance. The GAA has a problem with football, I'm not sure what they intend to do to fix it but it's beginning to get serious. Not saying that's Dublin's fault, they take what's going and make absolutely excellent use of it but if the GAA want to keep the game alive then they need to turn their attention to other counties and resource them properly. Because nobody is buying the argument that they are at the moment, i don't care how you choose to present figures. kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 05/09/2018 14:15:33 2139482 Link 2 |
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Username, its been countered many times but as you said in your opening line, you just don't(and won't) accept it. So if you close your mind off to something then there's no point in anyone trying to argue the point. And telling us all we just don't understand the figures and you must be the brightest boy in the class is never a good look. Who are the best funded county by the way by your analysis? Just curious."]I apolgise if that sounded arrogant, that wasn't my intention, just i think that evaluating an outcome by one source of finance while makes good copy is not genuine. Like i say mate you are welcome, to rebut the figures, but just saying they are untrue isnt countering the point i made. Im open minded on the finance piece, ive went off and looked into it. Ive critiqued both the figures presented by both Shane Mangan and the other journalist who sues his breakdown. Im just presenting my analysis with the actual figures. Im very open minded to any counter to my points, im just rebutting. Honestly i would have very different opinion on it if Dublin say had registered players of 500k or so. conversely that would bring down per registered player ratio to GDF, but would be terrible for gaelic football really, which is why that ratio is useless and as well as not being the purpose of the allocation of the GDF, Year to year, the county changes cumulatively as it probably should, this year in particular Kerry have done well, if you apply the population ratio to GDF, capital grants and commercial revenue, Cork received great support on the capital front with PUC. And Mayo posted phenomenal commercial figures, 70 odd k less then Dublin. Dont get me wrong im not crying poor mouth here Dublin are up there."]I don't generally take you to be an arrogant poster so I accept you didn't mean it to come across that way. But you say saying something is untrue doesn't make it so but that's exactly what you are yourself doing. I will freely admit I'm not well versed enough or right now have the time to research which figures are the more accurate but this is like a court case with two sides arguing a point. Everyone is entitled to look at both presentations and come to their own conclusion. You say you wouldn't accept the opposition analysis of the figures unless Dublin had a registered player pool of 500k or so, roughly one player per three of population but no county anywhere has that so you are setting the bar very high. And anyhow, the present situation is already terrible for Gaelic football as the falling attendances are indicating. 53k for an All Ireland semi final with the best team in the country in it is a terrible attendance. The GAA has a problem with football, I'm not sure what they intend to do to fix it but it's beginning to get serious. Not saying that's Dublin's fault, they take what's going and make absolutely excellent use of it but if the GAA want to keep the game alive then they need to turn their attention to other counties and resource them properly. Because nobody is buying the argument that they are at the moment, i don't care how you choose to present figures."]Thanks a chara i genuinely was not trying to be arrogant. I didn't say it was untrue, i said i didnt accept the the methond the figures were presented or the method of registered players behind the conclusion and the figures presented i beleive its mirepresentation and lacking in knowledge of whwere GDF actually is allocated and goes, ultimately though i am one persons opinion. Im providing the contrast by logical debate and a different analysis. Ive posted the math behind as well. The difficulty i have though and im not being confrontational saying this, is that you accept you haven't looked into it in any great detail. Yet i have and can present a reasoned evidenced based article as to why i believe the figures are gerry mandered and not representative. With all respect despite not looking into the figures you are drawing huge conclusions on the welfare of the game and Dublin and funding as a root cause of the problem. I think most people do if im honest as its a popular narrative. I am open to question on the validity of the figure si posted for anyone who wants to push a different angle, if im being honest i thought Dublin really well out of finance comparatively until i looked into it and analysed it, they do well certainly but not to the extent that many suggest. Im not sure i look at it as a court case or the issue, this is A GAA debating forum and its function is to present argument and debate, i do think its important to back up particularly financial debates with how you are deriving figures rally, else wise its juts dogma. Of course you are right people are entitled to believe what they choose. I picked the 500k figure out of the air really, but personally my own opinion is that Dublin could do a hell of a lot better with the GDF they do receive if im honest. I personally feel 39k registered players to 1.345 is massively poor. Just maybe the success the senior team is having at the moment is wallpapering over the cracks, many close to Dublin GAA would suggest this also. I know where you are coming from on the football championship, im not sure that has everything to do with a dominant team, clearly thats not ideal, but i think the S8 and maximizing choice has elicited a response, i think the semi in particular could be explained by Galways participation in the hurling final. While i think many of the defensive systems employed this year haven't been attractive viewing, i think thre are many contributing factors if im honest. If Kildare and the Dubs play in the Leinster final next year, i still think that would pull a crowd seen in 2017 if im honest. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 05/09/2018 14:52:04 2139505 Link 2 |
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The only team to beat Dublin in league and championship in 2018...Monaghan :) Muineachain76 (Monaghan) - Posts: 180 - 05/09/2018 15:10:57 2139515 Link 2 |
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Username, its been countered many times but as you said in your opening line, you just don't(and won't) accept it. So if you close your mind off to something then there's no point in anyone trying to argue the point. And telling us all we just don't understand the figures and you must be the brightest boy in the class is never a good look. Who are the best funded county by the way by your analysis? Just curious."]I apolgise if that sounded arrogant, that wasn't my intention, just i think that evaluating an outcome by one source of finance while makes good copy is not genuine. Like i say mate you are welcome, to rebut the figures, but just saying they are untrue isnt countering the point i made. Im open minded on the finance piece, ive went off and looked into it. Ive critiqued both the figures presented by both Shane Mangan and the other journalist who sues his breakdown. Im just presenting my analysis with the actual figures. Im very open minded to any counter to my points, im just rebutting. Honestly i would have very different opinion on it if Dublin say had registered players of 500k or so. conversely that would bring down per registered player ratio to GDF, but would be terrible for gaelic football really, which is why that ratio is useless and as well as not being the purpose of the allocation of the GDF, Year to year, the county changes cumulatively as it probably should, this year in particular Kerry have done well, if you apply the population ratio to GDF, capital grants and commercial revenue, Cork received great support on the capital front with PUC. And Mayo posted phenomenal commercial figures, 70 odd k less then Dublin. Dont get me wrong im not crying poor mouth here Dublin are up there."]I don't generally take you to be an arrogant poster so I accept you didn't mean it to come across that way. But you say saying something is untrue doesn't make it so but that's exactly what you are yourself doing. I will freely admit I'm not well versed enough or right now have the time to research which figures are the more accurate but this is like a court case with two sides arguing a point. Everyone is entitled to look at both presentations and come to their own conclusion. You say you wouldn't accept the opposition analysis of the figures unless Dublin had a registered player pool of 500k or so, roughly one player per three of population but no county anywhere has that so you are setting the bar very high. And anyhow, the present situation is already terrible for Gaelic football as the falling attendances are indicating. 53k for an All Ireland semi final with the best team in the country in it is a terrible attendance. The GAA has a problem with football, I'm not sure what they intend to do to fix it but it's beginning to get serious. Not saying that's Dublin's fault, they take what's going and make absolutely excellent use of it but if the GAA want to keep the game alive then they need to turn their attention to other counties and resource them properly. Because nobody is buying the argument that they are at the moment, i don't care how you choose to present figures."]Thanks a chara i genuinely was not trying to be arrogant. I didn't say it was untrue, i said i didnt accept the the methond the figures were presented or the method of registered players behind the conclusion and the figures presented i beleive its mirepresentation and lacking in knowledge of whwere GDF actually is allocated and goes, ultimately though i am one persons opinion. Im providing the contrast by logical debate and a different analysis. Ive posted the math behind as well. The difficulty i have though and im not being confrontational saying this, is that you accept you haven't looked into it in any great detail. Yet i have and can present a reasoned evidenced based article as to why i believe the figures are gerry mandered and not representative. With all respect despite not looking into the figures you are drawing huge conclusions on the welfare of the game and Dublin and funding as a root cause of the problem. I think most people do if im honest as its a popular narrative. I am open to question on the validity of the figure si posted for anyone who wants to push a different angle, if im being honest i thought Dublin really well out of finance comparatively until i looked into it and analysed it, they do well certainly but not to the extent that many suggest. Im not sure i look at it as a court case or the issue, this is A GAA debating forum and its function is to present argument and debate, i do think its important to back up particularly financial debates with how you are deriving figures rally, else wise its juts dogma. Of course you are right people are entitled to believe what they choose. I picked the 500k figure out of the air really, but personally my own opinion is that Dublin could do a hell of a lot better with the GDF they do receive if im honest. I personally feel 39k registered players to 1.345 is massively poor. Just maybe the success the senior team is having at the moment is wallpapering over the cracks, many close to Dublin GAA would suggest this also. I know where you are coming from on the football championship, im not sure that has everything to do with a dominant team, clearly thats not ideal, but i think the S8 and maximizing choice has elicited a response, i think the semi in particular could be explained by Galways participation in the hurling final. While i think many of the defensive systems employed this year haven't been attractive viewing, i think thre are many contributing factors if im honest. If Kildare and the Dubs play in the Leinster final next year, i still think that would pull a crowd seen in 2017 if im honest."]As you said before, not accepting something doesn't make it untrue and you give a perfectly reasoned argument for your figures as did a previous poster for his opposing figures. I only used the courtroom analogy to say it's two opposing arguments and people will decide who and what figures they believe. I didn't say either way which I believe so I'm drawing no definitive conclusions either way as i said, i haven't done any research. I am drawing a conclusion on the welfare of the game in general though and I said before on here attendances will drop and I was chastised for it, but they are dropping. I'm sure the S8 games will be published and the extra games will bring up the total attendance figure for the year but on a game by game basis attendances are falling off. Yes the style of football being played at the moment by quite a few teams isn't entertaining, that's a contributing factor but be it true or be it not, people around the country believe Dublin have been treated differently to the rest so the GAA has a serious optics issue and as long as that prevails, interest in the game will lag. As seen on threads on here, people are now talking about 6,7 or ten in a row and while the last number is ambitious, the fact it's even in people's heads is enough to keep interest down. People see that €1.6m figure and it screams at them, like I say I haven't time at the moment to look too in depth into it but optics are hard to get over and I do think the game has a problem. I'm not blaming Dublin for any of it, i blame the GAA. Yes if our two counties were to meet in the next Leinster Final I think there would be a good attendance but one of us would be hoping, the other would be pretty sure of success. There in lies the problem. kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 05/09/2018 18:57:11 2139605 Link 3 |
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Username, its been countered many times but as you said in your opening line, you just don't(and won't) accept it. So if you close your mind off to something then there's no point in anyone trying to argue the point. And telling us all we just don't understand the figures and you must be the brightest boy in the class is never a good look. Who are the best funded county by the way by your analysis? Just curious."]I apolgise if that sounded arrogant, that wasn't my intention, just i think that evaluating an outcome by one source of finance while makes good copy is not genuine. Like i say mate you are welcome, to rebut the figures, but just saying they are untrue isnt countering the point i made. Im open minded on the finance piece, ive went off and looked into it. Ive critiqued both the figures presented by both Shane Mangan and the other journalist who sues his breakdown. Im just presenting my analysis with the actual figures. Im very open minded to any counter to my points, im just rebutting. Honestly i would have very different opinion on it if Dublin say had registered players of 500k or so. conversely that would bring down per registered player ratio to GDF, but would be terrible for gaelic football really, which is why that ratio is useless and as well as not being the purpose of the allocation of the GDF, Year to year, the county changes cumulatively as it probably should, this year in particular Kerry have done well, if you apply the population ratio to GDF, capital grants and commercial revenue, Cork received great support on the capital front with PUC. And Mayo posted phenomenal commercial figures, 70 odd k less then Dublin. Dont get me wrong im not crying poor mouth here Dublin are up there."]I don't generally take you to be an arrogant poster so I accept you didn't mean it to come across that way. But you say saying something is untrue doesn't make it so but that's exactly what you are yourself doing. I will freely admit I'm not well versed enough or right now have the time to research which figures are the more accurate but this is like a court case with two sides arguing a point. Everyone is entitled to look at both presentations and come to their own conclusion. You say you wouldn't accept the opposition analysis of the figures unless Dublin had a registered player pool of 500k or so, roughly one player per three of population but no county anywhere has that so you are setting the bar very high. And anyhow, the present situation is already terrible for Gaelic football as the falling attendances are indicating. 53k for an All Ireland semi final with the best team in the country in it is a terrible attendance. The GAA has a problem with football, I'm not sure what they intend to do to fix it but it's beginning to get serious. Not saying that's Dublin's fault, they take what's going and make absolutely excellent use of it but if the GAA want to keep the game alive then they need to turn their attention to other counties and resource them properly. Because nobody is buying the argument that they are at the moment, i don't care how you choose to present figures."]Thanks a chara i genuinely was not trying to be arrogant. I didn't say it was untrue, i said i didnt accept the the methond the figures were presented or the method of registered players behind the conclusion and the figures presented i beleive its mirepresentation and lacking in knowledge of whwere GDF actually is allocated and goes, ultimately though i am one persons opinion. Im providing the contrast by logical debate and a different analysis. Ive posted the math behind as well. The difficulty i have though and im not being confrontational saying this, is that you accept you haven't looked into it in any great detail. Yet i have and can present a reasoned evidenced based article as to why i believe the figures are gerry mandered and not representative. With all respect despite not looking into the figures you are drawing huge conclusions on the welfare of the game and Dublin and funding as a root cause of the problem. I think most people do if im honest as its a popular narrative. I am open to question on the validity of the figure si posted for anyone who wants to push a different angle, if im being honest i thought Dublin really well out of finance comparatively until i looked into it and analysed it, they do well certainly but not to the extent that many suggest. Im not sure i look at it as a court case or the issue, this is A GAA debating forum and its function is to present argument and debate, i do think its important to back up particularly financial debates with how you are deriving figures rally, else wise its juts dogma. Of course you are right people are entitled to believe what they choose. I picked the 500k figure out of the air really, but personally my own opinion is that Dublin could do a hell of a lot better with the GDF they do receive if im honest. I personally feel 39k registered players to 1.345 is massively poor. Just maybe the success the senior team is having at the moment is wallpapering over the cracks, many close to Dublin GAA would suggest this also. I know where you are coming from on the football championship, im not sure that has everything to do with a dominant team, clearly thats not ideal, but i think the S8 and maximizing choice has elicited a response, i think the semi in particular could be explained by Galways participation in the hurling final. While i think many of the defensive systems employed this year haven't been attractive viewing, i think thre are many contributing factors if im honest. If Kildare and the Dubs play in the Leinster final next year, i still think that would pull a crowd seen in 2017 if im honest."]As you said before, not accepting something doesn't make it untrue and you give a perfectly reasoned argument for your figures as did a previous poster for his opposing figures. I only used the courtroom analogy to say it's two opposing arguments and people will decide who and what figures they believe. I didn't say either way which I believe so I'm drawing no definitive conclusions either way as i said, i haven't done any research. I am drawing a conclusion on the welfare of the game in general though and I said before on here attendances will drop and I was chastised for it, but they are dropping. I'm sure the S8 games will be published and the extra games will bring up the total attendance figure for the year but on a game by game basis attendances are falling off. Yes the style of football being played at the moment by quite a few teams isn't entertaining, that's a contributing factor but be it true or be it not, people around the country believe Dublin have been treated differently to the rest so the GAA has a serious optics issue and as long as that prevails, interest in the game will lag. As seen on threads on here, people are now talking about 6,7 or ten in a row and while the last number is ambitious, the fact it's even in people's heads is enough to keep interest down. People see that €1.6m figure and it screams at them, like I say I haven't time at the moment to look too in depth into it but optics are hard to get over and I do think the game has a problem. I'm not blaming Dublin for any of it, i blame the GAA. Yes if our two counties were to meet in the next Leinster Final I think there would be a good attendance but one of us would be hoping, the other would be pretty sure of success. There in lies the problem."]€16.6m, apologies for the typo. kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 05/09/2018 19:06:41 2139611 Link 3 |
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Nobody can stop them. Vishred (Mayo) - Posts: 303 - 05/09/2018 22:23:22 2139682 Link 1 |
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Interesting to read McStay's statement on leaving Roscommon last night, doesn't he get to the heart of the matter in Gaelic football at present? TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 06/09/2018 10:20:16 2139744 Link 1 |
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Username, its been countered many times but as you said in your opening line, you just don't(and won't) accept it. So if you close your mind off to something then there's no point in anyone trying to argue the point. And telling us all we just don't understand the figures and you must be the brightest boy in the class is never a good look. Who are the best funded county by the way by your analysis? Just curious."]I apolgise if that sounded arrogant, that wasn't my intention, just i think that evaluating an outcome by one source of finance while makes good copy is not genuine. Like i say mate you are welcome, to rebut the figures, but just saying they are untrue isnt countering the point i made. Im open minded on the finance piece, ive went off and looked into it. Ive critiqued both the figures presented by both Shane Mangan and the other journalist who sues his breakdown. Im just presenting my analysis with the actual figures. Im very open minded to any counter to my points, im just rebutting. Honestly i would have very different opinion on it if Dublin say had registered players of 500k or so. conversely that would bring down per registered player ratio to GDF, but would be terrible for gaelic football really, which is why that ratio is useless and as well as not being the purpose of the allocation of the GDF, Year to year, the county changes cumulatively as it probably should, this year in particular Kerry have done well, if you apply the population ratio to GDF, capital grants and commercial revenue, Cork received great support on the capital front with PUC. And Mayo posted phenomenal commercial figures, 70 odd k less then Dublin. Dont get me wrong im not crying poor mouth here Dublin are up there."]I don't generally take you to be an arrogant poster so I accept you didn't mean it to come across that way. But you say saying something is untrue doesn't make it so but that's exactly what you are yourself doing. I will freely admit I'm not well versed enough or right now have the time to research which figures are the more accurate but this is like a court case with two sides arguing a point. Everyone is entitled to look at both presentations and come to their own conclusion. You say you wouldn't accept the opposition analysis of the figures unless Dublin had a registered player pool of 500k or so, roughly one player per three of population but no county anywhere has that so you are setting the bar very high. And anyhow, the present situation is already terrible for Gaelic football as the falling attendances are indicating. 53k for an All Ireland semi final with the best team in the country in it is a terrible attendance. The GAA has a problem with football, I'm not sure what they intend to do to fix it but it's beginning to get serious. Not saying that's Dublin's fault, they take what's going and make absolutely excellent use of it but if the GAA want to keep the game alive then they need to turn their attention to other counties and resource them properly. Because nobody is buying the argument that they are at the moment, i don't care how you choose to present figures."]Thanks a chara i genuinely was not trying to be arrogant. I didn't say it was untrue, i said i didnt accept the the methond the figures were presented or the method of registered players behind the conclusion and the figures presented i beleive its mirepresentation and lacking in knowledge of whwere GDF actually is allocated and goes, ultimately though i am one persons opinion. Im providing the contrast by logical debate and a different analysis. Ive posted the math behind as well. The difficulty i have though and im not being confrontational saying this, is that you accept you haven't looked into it in any great detail. Yet i have and can present a reasoned evidenced based article as to why i believe the figures are gerry mandered and not representative. With all respect despite not looking into the figures you are drawing huge conclusions on the welfare of the game and Dublin and funding as a root cause of the problem. I think most people do if im honest as its a popular narrative. I am open to question on the validity of the figure si posted for anyone who wants to push a different angle, if im being honest i thought Dublin really well out of finance comparatively until i looked into it and analysed it, they do well certainly but not to the extent that many suggest. Im not sure i look at it as a court case or the issue, this is A GAA debating forum and its function is to present argument and debate, i do think its important to back up particularly financial debates with how you are deriving figures rally, else wise its juts dogma. Of course you are right people are entitled to believe what they choose. I picked the 500k figure out of the air really, but personally my own opinion is that Dublin could do a hell of a lot better with the GDF they do receive if im honest. I personally feel 39k registered players to 1.345 is massively poor. Just maybe the success the senior team is having at the moment is wallpapering over the cracks, many close to Dublin GAA would suggest this also. I know where you are coming from on the football championship, im not sure that has everything to do with a dominant team, clearly thats not ideal, but i think the S8 and maximizing choice has elicited a response, i think the semi in particular could be explained by Galways participation in the hurling final. While i think many of the defensive systems employed this year haven't been attractive viewing, i think thre are many contributing factors if im honest. If Kildare and the Dubs play in the Leinster final next year, i still think that would pull a crowd seen in 2017 if im honest."]As you said before, not accepting something doesn't make it untrue and you give a perfectly reasoned argument for your figures as did a previous poster for his opposing figures. I only used the courtroom analogy to say it's two opposing arguments and people will decide who and what figures they believe. I didn't say either way which I believe so I'm drawing no definitive conclusions either way as i said, i haven't done any research. I am drawing a conclusion on the welfare of the game in general though and I said before on here attendances will drop and I was chastised for it, but they are dropping. I'm sure the S8 games will be published and the extra games will bring up the total attendance figure for the year but on a game by game basis attendances are falling off. Yes the style of football being played at the moment by quite a few teams isn't entertaining, that's a contributing factor but be it true or be it not, people around the country believe Dublin have been treated differently to the rest so the GAA has a serious optics issue and as long as that prevails, interest in the game will lag. As seen on threads on here, people are now talking about 6,7 or ten in a row and while the last number is ambitious, the fact it's even in people's heads is enough to keep interest down. People see that €1.6m figure and it screams at them, like I say I haven't time at the moment to look too in depth into it but optics are hard to get over and I do think the game has a problem. I'm not blaming Dublin for any of it, i blame the GAA. Yes if our two counties were to meet in the next Leinster Final I think there would be a good attendance but one of us would be hoping, the other would be pretty sure of success. There in lies the problem."]€16.6m, apologies for the typo."]Of course, mate, im not so sure someone posted their own set of figures, rather were sharing an article they had read and accepted. Its important to critique these things as you say, because the optics create label that may be disingenuous and really that s my approach to it, Dublin are well funded but not to the popular narrative. Its like that 16 million figure you post (its a bit dated at this stage), its a great headline and shocking but if say 16 million from 2005, if you equate the same to population in that period you are looking at that money to meet the needs of 17 million people over the period, That less then a euro a year per population. Really thats what no one acknowledges in this argument, everyone talks about equity and big sums but no one acknowledges the massive population that needs to be funded. As for the health game, i think its multi factorial myself, certainly Dublin are a factor. Im actually really surprised with a few things, there was a really relaxed atmosphere before the game on Sunday, even in the ground being four points down in the first half their was a confidence that Dublin had it. It was the most relaxed final ive ever been at, it was nice for a change to be honest. There is a malaise with some Dublin fans, simply Leinster is a turkey shoot and you arent going to see good football. I fancy Kildare to kick on again, but apart from that its preseason really, that not being arrogant its factual. Then you are in to quarter finals and i think the structure of them and some of the pairings didnt really help, you would expect full houses for Mayo VS Kerry, Dublin VS Mayo, Kerry VS Dublin etc if it happened in the quarter finals, may of the counties that competed have low populations or had context like Galway and the hurling in the semi. Im not so sure that falling attendances is a trend that will continue, i think more games contributes as well the cost etc and the quick turnover. Personally i am surprised about some counties reaction to Dublin, in my opinion most counties give them to much respect or fall for the perceived aura. Certainly i was expecting tighter games from Galway and Tyrone. But it is what it is. Each county is responsible for their styule of play, ive been to every league and championship game for Dublin for a hell of a long time and to be honest facing the potential Donegal, Galway, or tyrone defensive system in games didnt get the blood racing the way it would playing Kerry of Galway. So while Dublin may be a part of the problem other counties and their contribution to entertainment is on the wain also in my opinion. Its a recipricol arrangement. I think the key issue is entertainment, its been low, we have had defensive teams nullify attacking teams a lo this year and its brought little joy or entertainment. many were saying dublin were boring in the lead up t the final and its a labor of love watching them break down a team with a blancket defense one after another - then the final and finally a team went man to man, the result was beautiful attacking football that i defy anyone not to admire. As dfar as i can see it is only Dublin and Kerry who try to play football that way, there is lies the problem with the championship for me, its no longer a thing of beauty but exercise in shackling good teams, the entertainment bar from a few is very low. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 06/09/2018 10:47:07 2139760 Link 3 |
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Or even the money into Kerry given to Sligo and Roscommon in addition to Dublin. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 06/09/2018 10:52:37 2139762 Link 3 |
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If Meath made the Super 8"s they'd make Roscommon look competitive.
FootblockREF (Monaghan) - Posts: 564 - 07/09/2018 08:57:49 2140024 Link 3 |
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Footblock what is your problem with Tyrone. Monaghan won the ulster championship game fair and square and then Tyrone won the ai semi final fair and square. Even saying Meath should've been in the super 8s at Tyrone expense. Even if Meath hadve beat Tyrone there's no guarantee they would've beat the other qualifer teams to land a spot in the 8s.
Smiler21 (Tyrone) - Posts: 46 - 07/09/2018 22:29:48 2140260 Link 0 |
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Thats the Spirit! No wonder you are waiting 67 years for Sam. Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 13/09/2018 13:59:21 2141434 Link 1 |
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Another mayo fan will you we can win it next year and will be told he is deluded...you can't win sometimes...
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11236 - 13/09/2018 18:23:16 2141519 Link 3 |
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I think Donegal and Kerry both have the firepower and potential to beat Dublin, although both need to tweak their respective set-ups slightly. Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1121 - 14/09/2018 21:12:38 2141806 Link 0 |
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Monaghan. Knoxboya (Monaghan) - Posts: 358 - 14/09/2018 22:14:44 2141818 Link 0 |
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Who can beat Dublin in 2019?? The answer is probably - Themselves. Dublin are simply ahead of any other team, and are out on their own with nobody near touching them. leitrim4sam (Leitrim) - Posts: 645 - 14/09/2018 22:40:27 2141821 Link 0 |