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Amazing that there has been no mention of tthe minor hurling team on this forum. A fantastic team, lead by a super manager and players from all over the county. Congratulations to all involved.

onlyhurling (Galway) - Posts: 800 - 24/08/2018 16:26:06    2136349

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Top marks , some level of consistency over last few years , on a par with Kerry minors in football, setting the standards

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 24/08/2018 16:55:56    2136363

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Really good team. I thought the Dublin minors were a fine side this year and Galway just blew them away.

Well done all.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 24/08/2018 17:48:42    2136378

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What was interesting to note was the mix of clubs involved - with a good few coming from traditional football areas of the county. Good to see the net being spread far and wide and a few potential senior prospects also

jkiamasnake (Galway) - Posts: 81 - 24/08/2018 18:16:44    2136386

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Replying To jkiamasnake:  "What was interesting to note was the mix of clubs involved - with a good few coming from traditional football areas of the county. Good to see the net being spread far and wide and a few potential senior prospects also"
Before the senior game last Sunday, a well known football delegate was bemoaning the fact that around 6 of the winning minor team should be playing for the minor footballers in next weekend's final.
Tongue-in-cheek complaining, but there are at least 6 of the hurling team who are excellent footballers and would have been in the panel if allowed.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2049 - 24/08/2018 20:51:36    2136421

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Lynskey is an excellent Manager.3 All-Irelands in 4 years is a fine achievement.Thought Galway struggled at times in this year's Final against Kilkenny but they pulled away to win well in the end.A sure sign of a good team.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2176 - 24/08/2018 20:59:04    2136423

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Replying To endgame:  "Lynskey is an excellent Manager.3 All-Irelands in 4 years is a fine achievement.Thought Galway struggled at times in this year's Final against Kilkenny but they pulled away to win well in the end.A sure sign of a good team."
Keep in mind that they beat Kilkenny TWICE this year. Not an easy task at all.

WoodlawnPat (Galway) - Posts: 288 - 26/08/2018 08:45:20    2136586

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Replying To WoodlawnPat:  "Keep in mind that they beat Kilkenny TWICE this year. Not an easy task at all."
Yes I know that.Galway beat Kilkenny by the same 7 points in the Leinster round robin.All the pressure was on Galway in last Sunday's minor match and I think that did show but they pulled away to win well in the end.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2176 - 26/08/2018 12:37:51    2136606

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The future looks bright for Galway Hurling! Our Minors and U21 teams are loaded.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2135 - 26/08/2018 18:18:04    2136664

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Replying To Trump2020:  "The future looks bright for Galway Hurling! Our Minors and U21 teams are loaded."
9 minor hurling All-Irelands in the last 20 years is some going for Galway. Their minor footballers are in their 2nd in 3 years next week. Whatever they are doing at underage there is clearly working.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 26/08/2018 21:32:30    2136689

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Replying To Trump2020:  "The future looks bright for Galway Hurling! Our Minors and U21 teams are loaded."
Yes they are. I hope it carries over to the Seniors.

WoodlawnPat (Galway) - Posts: 288 - 26/08/2018 21:46:02    2136692

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Replying To WoodlawnPat:  "Yes they are. I hope it carries over to the Seniors."
Galway seniora have lost 20 All Irelands. 10 since 1980. This is a pretty bad return. While Galway always have been competitive at minor and under 21 i would question there mental strength at senior level. They should be after winning more all irelands with some excellent past teams.

I backed limerick in the final as i just didn't fancy Galway. I think teams are so close now you will see different winners every year.

rebeltrev (Cork) - Posts: 344 - 27/08/2018 07:50:48    2136713

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Replying To rebeltrev:  "Galway seniora have lost 20 All Irelands. 10 since 1980. This is a pretty bad return. While Galway always have been competitive at minor and under 21 i would question there mental strength at senior level. They should be after winning more all irelands with some excellent past teams.

I backed limerick in the final as i just didn't fancy Galway. I think teams are so close now you will see different winners every year."
Yes I agree. Very bad return when you consider their talent level. I hope we don't go as long between titles again at Senior level.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2135 - 27/08/2018 13:20:09    2136762

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Replying To rebeltrev:  "Galway seniora have lost 20 All Irelands. 10 since 1980. This is a pretty bad return. While Galway always have been competitive at minor and under 21 i would question there mental strength at senior level. They should be after winning more all irelands with some excellent past teams.

I backed limerick in the final as i just didn't fancy Galway. I think teams are so close now you will see different winners every year."
Good post.Galway seniors have lost 7 of the last 8 Hurling Finals they've contested.It's a poor record.Can only be put down to a certain lack of mental fortitude on hurling' s biggest day.Galway should have been able to beat a young inexperienced Limerick team.Only 3 Galway players rose to the occasion and they still only lost by a point.Incidentally,Mayo footballers have lost the last 9 senior finals they've contested.(All since 1989).I think that no matter how many minor hurling All-Ireland's Galway win,they'll never be a Kilkenny at senior level because the winning tradition just isn't there.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2176 - 27/08/2018 13:28:54    2136770

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Replying To endgame:  "Good post.Galway seniors have lost 7 of the last 8 Hurling Finals they've contested.It's a poor record.Can only be put down to a certain lack of mental fortitude on hurling' s biggest day.Galway should have been able to beat a young inexperienced Limerick team.Only 3 Galway players rose to the occasion and they still only lost by a point.Incidentally,Mayo footballers have lost the last 9 senior finals they've contested.(All since 1989).I think that no matter how many minor hurling All-Ireland's Galway win,they'll never be a Kilkenny at senior level because the winning tradition just isn't there."
I don't want to deflect from this topic which is celebrating an excellent minor team but I think it is fair to say that a number of the finals we lost were because we were not good enough. Of our losses I would say you could put 1990 & 2018 into the category you mention and possible (coz i'm not sure we were good enough) the last loss to KK when we were 3 points up at half time.

2018, with no disrespect to Limerick, we did not perform. 1990 we were cruising and fluffed our lines.

In 2012 we may have been well a head at one stage but KK were a super team. I think it is more fair to say they just blew us away once they got their sh*t together.

I think the mental fortitude line is rubbish.

Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1835 - 27/08/2018 14:41:24    2136806

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Replying To rebeltrev:  "Galway seniora have lost 20 All Irelands. 10 since 1980. This is a pretty bad return. While Galway always have been competitive at minor and under 21 i would question there mental strength at senior level. They should be after winning more all irelands with some excellent past teams.

I backed limerick in the final as i just didn't fancy Galway. I think teams are so close now you will see different winners every year."
In the past winning underage competitions seemed to be the be all and end all for the management of those teams. In the last few years this seems to have changed.

I watched an interview with Jeff Lynskey a number of years ago and he talked about his role as developing players rather than winning All Irelands. If they won them great but it was not a primary objective. They have now an S&C man overseeing all teams from minor. They have selectors from the senior teams involved in the underage. There seems to be a much more integrated approach and Micheal Donoghue always comes back to that in interviews. They are trying to develop a player pathway to senior.

In Galway we were sick of winning minors with no future out of it.

I have to say I am reasonable hopefully because of the above for the future. While it would be naive to think we would ever match what KK did in the last 15 years with this approach (if continued) we should always be in the top few and a realistic All Ireland contender given our playing base and population. The nauties and nineties were grim!!!

Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1835 - 27/08/2018 14:50:36    2136808

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Replying To rebeltrev:  "Galway seniora have lost 20 All Irelands. 10 since 1980. This is a pretty bad return. While Galway always have been competitive at minor and under 21 i would question there mental strength at senior level. They should be after winning more all irelands with some excellent past teams.

I backed limerick in the final as i just didn't fancy Galway. I think teams are so close now you will see different winners every year."
Sure they must have been 'competitive' at senior level as well, to reach that many finals?

Would our 'mental strength' be questioned as regularly, if we'd only lost 5 finals since 1980? We qualified for the finals of 81 85 86 90 93 by playing only one competitive match in each of those seasons. That is, if you count the Offaly '88-'90 outfit a competitive fixture for semi final level, I know I wouldn't necessarily. That's five finals we'd possibly never have lost, if we had to win 4or5 competitive matches to play in them.

It took a two calendar year unbeaten championship run for people to start talking a lot less about 'mental frailty' in the Galway senior squad, but only one basket case performance on the big day to have it thrown back in their faces. Only as good as your last game!!

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3460 - 27/08/2018 15:40:29    2136821

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Replying To endgame:  "Good post.Galway seniors have lost 7 of the last 8 Hurling Finals they've contested.It's a poor record.Can only be put down to a certain lack of mental fortitude on hurling' s biggest day.Galway should have been able to beat a young inexperienced Limerick team.Only 3 Galway players rose to the occasion and they still only lost by a point.Incidentally,Mayo footballers have lost the last 9 senior finals they've contested.(All since 1989).I think that no matter how many minor hurling All-Ireland's Galway win,they'll never be a Kilkenny at senior level because the winning tradition just isn't there."
Where did the winning tradition at minor level come from so? One title up to 1991. 11 of 27 since.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3460 - 27/08/2018 15:47:55    2136825

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Replying To Mayonman:  "In the past winning underage competitions seemed to be the be all and end all for the management of those teams. In the last few years this seems to have changed.

I watched an interview with Jeff Lynskey a number of years ago and he talked about his role as developing players rather than winning All Irelands. If they won them great but it was not a primary objective. They have now an S&C man overseeing all teams from minor. They have selectors from the senior teams involved in the underage. There seems to be a much more integrated approach and Micheal Donoghue always comes back to that in interviews. They are trying to develop a player pathway to senior.

In Galway we were sick of winning minors with no future out of it.

I have to say I am reasonable hopefully because of the above for the future. While it would be naive to think we would ever match what KK did in the last 15 years with this approach (if continued) we should always be in the top few and a realistic All Ireland contender given our playing base and population. The nauties and nineties were grim!!!"
Ironic that there seemed to be very little on 'the pathway' from 2017 to 2018, to invigorate the senior selection or the gameplan for final day.

Not easy to break up a winning team, I suppose. Cody gave them all the blueprint of course, but most winning managers are still too slow to do it, or lose the plot in the process of trying to do it. That's the challenge for MD in 2019, if he stays on board.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3460 - 27/08/2018 15:56:46    2136830

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Replying To Mayonman:  "I don't want to deflect from this topic which is celebrating an excellent minor team but I think it is fair to say that a number of the finals we lost were because we were not good enough. Of our losses I would say you could put 1990 & 2018 into the category you mention and possible (coz i'm not sure we were good enough) the last loss to KK when we were 3 points up at half time.

2018, with no disrespect to Limerick, we did not perform. 1990 we were cruising and fluffed our lines.

In 2012 we may have been well a head at one stage but KK were a super team. I think it is more fair to say they just blew us away once they got their sh*t together.

I think the mental fortitude line is rubbish."
I'm a Galway supporter.Galway lost Finals to Offaly in 1981 and 1985.Galway were the better team both days.Galway lost Finals to Cork in 1986 and 1990.Galway were the better team both days and by some distance.The 2001 loss to Tipp and the 2005 loss to Cork were both games that could have been won.Fair enough Kilkenny were better in the 2012 replay but that Kilkenny team were well past their peak in 2015 and Galway should have won that.Like it or not and I don't like it one bit,Galway have serious trouble winning senior All Ireland hurling Finals and anyone saying otherwise is ignoring history.Full credit to Galway minors who I think won their first minor hurling title in 1983 against Dublin and have been winning minor titles ever since.Galway are well able to win minor Finals.Unfortunately,they are falling well short in senior hurling Finals.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2176 - 27/08/2018 17:26:50    2136860

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