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If Monaghan Can Compete, Why Can't The More So Called Traditional Counties

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How much is 'a little bit' MesAmis? I never heard of this tradition in Dublin.
Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3330 - 24/08/2018 11:38:25

The family club tradition is a long standing thing. If your parents/grandparents were involved with say Na Fianna in Glasnevin but you grew up in Blanchardstown there is a strong possibility that instead of playing for one of the Blanch area clubs like Brigid's or even Castleknock there is a strong likelihood that you'd be brought to Na Fianna instead. Not everyone does it but it certainly happens. I know lads that played with my club, Croabh Chiarán, that grew up closer to a host of other clubs. I'm sure if you go through a lot of Dublin footballers and hurlers and saw where they grew up versus where they play there would be some differences no doubt. There is no parish rule in Dublin. On my street growing up there were 4 families involved in the GAA, all with four different clubs; Craobh, Scoil Uí Chonaill, Vinnies and O'Tooles. It's just the way it is.

Like I said I'm sure it happens with Dublin families living in the parts of Meath that are adjacent to Dublin but it isn't like the Meath clubs in those areas haven't benefited massively from the influx of Dubliners and people from all over the country.

Like I said not everyone goes back to the family club, if you're now based in Meath and your club was Erin's Isle then yeah it's probably not that difficult to bring your kids back into Finglas to play and some (not all) might do it but if your club was Kilmacud you're hardly going to bring them back in! Same goes within Dublin, if you moved from Lucan to Clontarf you're hardly going to traverse the city to bring your kids back to the family club but if you haven't moved that far then you might do it.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 24/08/2018 12:44:50    2136241

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It is hard to compare decades, Is 2010s Derry worse than 1960s Derry? Ulster final 2011 and League final 2014, it still isn't viewed as a success, Derry 2008 was viewed as a failure even know they won the league, they were knocked out by Fermanagh in Ulster that year.

Do you measure success by league, championship or a combination?

Derry will compete with the best within the next 20 years as long as they can keep the 18-20 year old interested in playing for the seniors,

PattyONeill (Derry) - Posts: 224 - 24/08/2018 14:08:32    2136293

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1 Meaths decline has nothing to do with Dublin. Nothing.
I can give 30 reasons why Meath have declined and not one mention of the Dubs.
2 However the issues of the Dubs in Meath now is not a reason for decline but is a symbol of our decline and is another barrier another negative another dilmena facing Meath GAA.
3 I have 4 questions.

Lets say your a Mayo supporter
Mayo go the next 15 years without reaching an All Ireland and stay 15 years in div 2. There is a mass migration of Galway people into Mayo, tens of thousands. This doesnt bother you in every day life
. But In this same period that Galway win 5 All Irelands. Not only that the Galway people who move to Mayo their children go to Mayo schools and are part of Mayo clubs. But they support Galway want to play for Galway and hate Mayo. As a Mayo supporter how wud u feel with such developments..Wud u feel this is good for Mayo football. That this will help Mayo win Sam Maguire?.

2 Lets say ur a Dub between 1996 and 2010. Dublin dont reach an All Ireland final..Say in that time ur rival Meath wins 5 Sams. Lets say tens of thousands of Meath people move to Cabra Castleknock Marino etc. In everyday life this those bother u. There children go to Dublin schools and play for Dublin clubs. U see more Meath jerseys in Cabra and see no Dublin jerseys. And those children support Meath want to play for Meath and and hate Dublin. How happy would you be with this development ?

3 Say ur a Tippearey hurling fan
And in next 15 years Tipp dont reach an All Ireland final. And kilkenny win 15 All Irelands. Tens of thousands of kilkenny people move into Tipp. Their children play for Tipp clubs but support and want to play for kilkenny and hate Tipp. How happy would u be with this?
Final question
4 If a young person goes to a school in a county and lives and is reared in that county and they play for a club in that county, should their parents encourange them to not support that county but also hate that counties team. Do u agree or disagree with this. Yay or nay.
PS Because this is what is happening in Meath at moment. I know 4 Dublin parents, their kids play for Meaths clubs and every single parent not only encourages their children to not support Meath, but hate Meath football with a passion.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 24/08/2018 16:16:33    2136346

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http://www.gaa.ie/football/news/condescension-towards-monaghan-annoys-mcmanus/
Might go some way to answer some of the musings in this thread.

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 965 - 24/08/2018 16:30:37    2136351

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Replying To Donegalman:  "You would be inviting a siege mentality doing this. If you made young players feel unwelcome for wearing a Dublin jersey at training in a Meath club for instance, they would probably want to train in Dublin. Are there any instances of this fellow Meath GAA fans? I am just surmising here and have nothing to back up this hypothetical situation with. I have seen many young people walk around Ashbourne wearing Dublin Jerseys but have no info about what they wear to club training.

Would this sort of rivalry not increase the county pride though rather than dilute it? Just saying."
They can wear whatever they want as far as I am aware. What they wear has nothing to do with it, and it should remain the same.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 24/08/2018 16:43:56    2136355

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2 Lets say ur a Dub between 1996 and 2010. Dublin dont reach an All Ireland final..Say in that time ur rival Meath wins 5 Sams. Lets say tens of thousands of Meath people move to Cabra Castleknock Marino etc. In everyday life this those bother u. There children go to Dublin schools and play for Dublin clubs. U see more Meath jerseys in Cabra and see no Dublin jerseys. And those children support Meath want to play for Meath and and hate Dublin. How happy would you be with this development ?

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 477 - 24/08/2018 16:16:33

You'd have serious question marks over what Dublin GAA is doing so wrong that it can't attract people actually living in and from Dublin!

So in your analogy there is no one in Ashbourne/Ratoath/Dunboyne in Meath jerseys at the moment. C'mon man what rubbish.

Hyperbolic nonsense.

Meath GAA has gained thousands of new potential players over the last 20 years whose parents are from all over Ireland. It is and will be of a massive benefit to Meath GAA. This is the truth even if you, and a few others, cannot see what's plain and in front of your faces.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 24/08/2018 16:53:08    2136360

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Replying To MesAmis:  "2 Lets say ur a Dub between 1996 and 2010. Dublin dont reach an All Ireland final..Say in that time ur rival Meath wins 5 Sams. Lets say tens of thousands of Meath people move to Cabra Castleknock Marino etc. In everyday life this those bother u. There children go to Dublin schools and play for Dublin clubs. U see more Meath jerseys in Cabra and see no Dublin jerseys. And those children support Meath want to play for Meath and and hate Dublin. How happy would you be with this development ?

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 477 - 24/08/2018 16:16:33

You'd have serious question marks over what Dublin GAA is doing so wrong that it can't attract people actually living in and from Dublin!

So in your analogy there is no one in Ashbourne/Ratoath/Dunboyne in Meath jerseys at the moment. C'mon man what rubbish.

Hyperbolic nonsense.

Meath GAA has gained thousands of new potential players over the last 20 years whose parents are from all over Ireland. It is and will be of a massive benefit to Meath GAA. This is the truth even if you, and a few others, cannot see what's plain and in front of your faces."
U still haven't answered my question. U did everything but answer the question. Yes or no.
If Dublin dont reach All Ireland final for next 20 years, stay in div 2 for next 20 years, dont even reach All Ireland semi final. Meath win 6 All Irelands. Thousands of Meath people move to Dublin play with Dublin clubs but support and want to play for Meath and hate Dublin. Would u be happy with development? Yes or no. Would see this development as a positive development for Dublin football ? Yes or no.
I would be grateful if u cud answer these questions. If u dont answer I will take that as u saying no this is not a positive development. But u wouldnt just admit this.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 24/08/2018 17:51:00    2136381

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Replying To MesAmis:  "2 Lets say ur a Dub between 1996 and 2010. Dublin dont reach an All Ireland final..Say in that time ur rival Meath wins 5 Sams. Lets say tens of thousands of Meath people move to Cabra Castleknock Marino etc. In everyday life this those bother u. There children go to Dublin schools and play for Dublin clubs. U see more Meath jerseys in Cabra and see no Dublin jerseys. And those children support Meath want to play for Meath and and hate Dublin. How happy would you be with this development ?

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 477 - 24/08/2018 16:16:33

You'd have serious question marks over what Dublin GAA is doing so wrong that it can't attract people actually living in and from Dublin!

So in your analogy there is no one in Ashbourne/Ratoath/Dunboyne in Meath jerseys at the moment. C'mon man what rubbish.

Hyperbolic nonsense.

Meath GAA has gained thousands of new potential players over the last 20 years whose parents are from all over Ireland. It is and will be of a massive benefit to Meath GAA. This is the truth even if you, and a few others, cannot see what's plain and in front of your faces."
U still havent answered my question.

In the latest census 18% of people in Donegal are not from Donegal
19% of people in Cork are not from Cork
In latest census 70% of people in Meath are not from Meath.
Economically socially culturally this is having positive impact. Town in the south east are thriving when once they were small sleepy towns.
From GAA aspect it aint working at the moment. It is negative it is another issue dilmena that Meath have to deal and face with. This is what Meath person like I sees and hears with my own eyes and ears. Thats it. Its my opinion. And I am not the only person who thinks.But a Dub who probaly hates Meath football knows and understands what is going on the ground in Meath. Thats hyperbole of the highest order.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 24/08/2018 18:14:42    2136385

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Replying To Furlong1949:  "
Replying To MesAmis:  "2 Lets say ur a Dub between 1996 and 2010. Dublin dont reach an All Ireland final..Say in that time ur rival Meath wins 5 Sams. Lets say tens of thousands of Meath people move to Cabra Castleknock Marino etc. In everyday life this those bother u. There children go to Dublin schools and play for Dublin clubs. U see more Meath jerseys in Cabra and see no Dublin jerseys. And those children support Meath want to play for Meath and and hate Dublin. How happy would you be with this development ?

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 477 - 24/08/2018 16:16:33

You'd have serious question marks over what Dublin GAA is doing so wrong that it can't attract people actually living in and from Dublin!

So in your analogy there is no one in Ashbourne/Ratoath/Dunboyne in Meath jerseys at the moment. C'mon man what rubbish.

Hyperbolic nonsense.

Meath GAA has gained thousands of new potential players over the last 20 years whose parents are from all over Ireland. It is and will be of a massive benefit to Meath GAA. This is the truth even if you, and a few others, cannot see what's plain and in front of your faces."
U still haven't answered my question. U did everything but answer the question. Yes or no.
If Dublin dont reach All Ireland final for next 20 years, stay in div 2 for next 20 years, dont even reach All Ireland semi final. Meath win 6 All Irelands. Thousands of Meath people move to Dublin play with Dublin clubs but support and want to play for Meath and hate Dublin. Would u be happy with development? Yes or no. Would see this development as a positive development for Dublin football ? Yes or no.
I would be grateful if u cud answer these questions. If u dont answer I will take that as u saying no this is not a positive development. But u wouldnt just admit this."
Dublin GAA has had years upon years of people coming into Dublin and bringing their kids to see their original county play be they successful or not. It has happened for decades upon decades and all those people coming to Dublin has been an advantage to Dublin GAA. Just like it is currently and will be an advantage to Meath GAA what is currently happening in Meath.

It continues to happen in Dublin. A neighbours child hasn't been out of his Limerick jersey all week! It's great to see him so interested in hurling and showing his passion for his mother's native county. My own 3 girls have Cork jerseys and it is great that they feel a connection to their mother's county. They're still Dubs though.

I don't see how Meath will become this massive exception where the Meath raised children of people from all over the country won't develop an affinity with their county but instead only support their parents counties. Some will grow up continually supporting only their parents county, I know a few Dublin born people that this has happened with that they will support their parents county over Dublin still but for the vast majority it is not the case.

I really don't see what makes Meath so different that Meath people (because that's who we're talking about here) will refuse to support and represent Meath. What makes Meath so supposedly different from the other 31 counties?

The odd few Dubs that will bring their kids back to Dublin for football/hurling doesn't change the fact that migration to Meath is a great thing for Meath GAA. How is load of extra potential footballers and hurlers a bad thing?

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 24/08/2018 18:25:24    2136389

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Replying To Furlong1949:  "
Replying To MesAmis:  "2 Lets say ur a Dub between 1996 and 2010. Dublin dont reach an All Ireland final..Say in that time ur rival Meath wins 5 Sams. Lets say tens of thousands of Meath people move to Cabra Castleknock Marino etc. In everyday life this those bother u. There children go to Dublin schools and play for Dublin clubs. U see more Meath jerseys in Cabra and see no Dublin jerseys. And those children support Meath want to play for Meath and and hate Dublin. How happy would you be with this development ?

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 477 - 24/08/2018 16:16:33

You'd have serious question marks over what Dublin GAA is doing so wrong that it can't attract people actually living in and from Dublin!

So in your analogy there is no one in Ashbourne/Ratoath/Dunboyne in Meath jerseys at the moment. C'mon man what rubbish.

Hyperbolic nonsense.

Meath GAA has gained thousands of new potential players over the last 20 years whose parents are from all over Ireland. It is and will be of a massive benefit to Meath GAA. This is the truth even if you, and a few others, cannot see what's plain and in front of your faces."
U still haven't answered my question. U did everything but answer the question. Yes or no.
If Dublin dont reach All Ireland final for next 20 years, stay in div 2 for next 20 years, dont even reach All Ireland semi final. Meath win 6 All Irelands. Thousands of Meath people move to Dublin play with Dublin clubs but support and want to play for Meath and hate Dublin. Would u be happy with development? Yes or no. Would see this development as a positive development for Dublin football ? Yes or no.
I would be grateful if u cud answer these questions. If u dont answer I will take that as u saying no this is not a positive development. But u wouldnt just admit this."
What's the solution for Meath GAA to this problem you speak of?

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7876 - 24/08/2018 18:31:50    2136391

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Replying To Furlong1949:  "
Replying To MesAmis:  "2 Lets say ur a Dub between 1996 and 2010. Dublin dont reach an All Ireland final..Say in that time ur rival Meath wins 5 Sams. Lets say tens of thousands of Meath people move to Cabra Castleknock Marino etc. In everyday life this those bother u. There children go to Dublin schools and play for Dublin clubs. U see more Meath jerseys in Cabra and see no Dublin jerseys. And those children support Meath want to play for Meath and and hate Dublin. How happy would you be with this development ?

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 477 - 24/08/2018 16:16:33

You'd have serious question marks over what Dublin GAA is doing so wrong that it can't attract people actually living in and from Dublin!

So in your analogy there is no one in Ashbourne/Ratoath/Dunboyne in Meath jerseys at the moment. C'mon man what rubbish.

Hyperbolic nonsense.

Meath GAA has gained thousands of new potential players over the last 20 years whose parents are from all over Ireland. It is and will be of a massive benefit to Meath GAA. This is the truth even if you, and a few others, cannot see what's plain and in front of your faces."
U still havent answered my question.

In the latest census 18% of people in Donegal are not from Donegal
19% of people in Cork are not from Cork
In latest census 70% of people in Meath are not from Meath.
Economically socially culturally this is having positive impact. Town in the south east are thriving when once they were small sleepy towns.
From GAA aspect it aint working at the moment. It is negative it is another issue dilmena that Meath have to deal and face with. This is what Meath person like I sees and hears with my own eyes and ears. Thats it. Its my opinion. And I am not the only person who thinks.But a Dub who probaly hates Meath football knows and understands what is going on the ground in Meath. Thats hyperbole of the highest order."
By latest census records Meath have received a huge boost in thousands and thousands of extra potential players!

But no, some of those extra people are from Dublin!

Oh the horror of it all for poor Meath!

This is a great thing for Meath GAA.

Same as people coming to Dublin has always been a good thing for Dublin GAA.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 24/08/2018 18:51:04    2136397

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Furlong

Before you say I haven't answered your question I have already but I'll spell it out for you again just to see if it gets through to you.

As regards your hypothetical situation of Meath people living in Dublin bringing their kids in Dublin up to support Meath it wouldn't bother me. Same as it has never bothered me when country people bring their kids up supporting their (the parents) counties. It has always happened and will always happen in Dublin. If those kids are involved in the GAA, even though some of them may always support their parents counties, it is still of benefit to Dublin GAA that those country people have come to Dublin and gotten their children interested in GAA.

Your supposed doomsday scenario is literally the story of Dublin GAA. Country people migrating here and making Dublin GAA stronger, despite the odd few staying loyal and making their children loyal to their original county.

Meath GAA have huge numbers of potential players in places they never had them before. It's great for yous.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 24/08/2018 18:59:38    2136401

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Meath reasons for decline
1 Always going to dip after high of 80s and 90s
2 Not producing player of the calibre of the past
3 Any time a manger leaves after two decade in charge chaos follows. Look at Utd after Ferguson. The same with Meath after Boylan.
4 lack of underage sucess. No leinster under 21 title since 2001.
5 Changing manager over and over again. Meath had 1 manger for nearly 22 years. Since Meath have had 7 managers in the last 12 years. This leads to inconsistency of player selection and halting in development of tactics.
6 Meath have not had a top class manager since Boylan left.
7 Population growth had led to identity been diluted.
8 Very bad defeats to Dublin Kildare Westmeath have led to low confidence levels.
9 Problem with strenght and conditioning. Armagh had a strenght and conditioning coach in the early 00s. Meath only appointed one in the mid part of this decade. Meath lag behind other teams in the department of strenght and conditioning.
10 Meath have not produced a top class midfielder since McDermont. And a top class centre back since Liam Harnan.
11 Meath have had problems at centre field and the half back line.
12 Meath have lost potentially 3 top class midfielders eg Nash Gillespie and O Rourke
13 Meath have not adapted to change in modern tactics.
14 Meaths traditional kick and catch game does not work in the more modern posession game.
15 Meaths kick and catch game does not work well v blanket defences and sweepers.
16 Meath have a problem of deciding which way to play. A possession game or a kick and catch game. They fall between both stools . They havd neither.

So there are my reasons. A reason I think people use which is not as important as people think is Meaths record at club level in leinster. People think Meath lack of sucess at club level in leinster, it is a reason for lack of sucess, it is not. The stats show not in my viewpoint . Between 1987 and 2001 Meath reached 9 All Ireland senior final including replays. In the same period a Meath club did not even reach a club senior All Ireland final. Meaths most sucessful period at club level was in the late 70s and early 80s.

Walterstown reached Meaths only All Ireland club final in 84. While Summerhill won leinster club title in 77 beating one of the greatest club teams ever St Vincent's by 5 goals. Meath club won 3 leinster club titles in 7 years between 1977 and 1984. It is Meath most sucessful period at club level. At the same time at inter county Meath in late 70s early 80s where heading to div 4 after championship defeats to longford and Wexford in 81 82. I think this shows Meath club form is not as big a reason for Meaths decline in football. Carlow and Wicklow have a better club record in leinster club then Meath Kildare or Offaly. It does not translate to inter county game. And when Meath won the All Ireland in 1996, they did this with 15 players from 15 different clubs. Which shows Meath sucess is not based on one or two strong clubs but based on a wide selection of players from different clubs in different parts of the county.

Anyway these are my overall reasons for Meaths decline . And you will notice not one mention of the Dubs. The Dubs have not being a reason why Meath declined. The issue of Dubs parents making sure their children support Dublin and hate Meath, this is just another dilemna Meath have to face. Another issue for Meath to deal with. The Meath v Dublin rivalry is essential to Meath football sucess. We wouldnt have half the All Irelands without that rivalry. Beat Dublin you become All Ireland contenders overnight. Playing Dublin is the closest thing to an All Ireland final. It meant when Meath supporters defeated Dublin they were able to take on Kerry Mayo Tyrone. Meath greats from Paddy O Brien to Mick lyons had an obsession to beat Dublin. If Meath footballers no longer have that mentality, we wouldnt win an All Ireland in next 50 or 60 years.

Final point, Its disappointing the Dubs response regarding demise of Meath Cork Down etc . When the Dubs were losing to Westmeath in 03 and laois in 04 and didnt reach a final for 16 years in 00s , the GAA community supported the Dubs. The Dubs response to counties decline like Meath and Cork is look at Mayo, look at Mayo, look at Mayo, look at Monaghan,look at Monaghan, its ur own fault,its ur own fault,its ur own fault . Ex players , supporters from Dublin keep repeating this , its your own fault you are in the mess you are in, look at Monaghan. In 2005 , the GAA community did not say to the Dubs its ur own fault, look at Westmeath or Fermanagh. The GAA community was supportive and very encouraging. The Dubs response is the complete opposite now. Very disappointing.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 24/08/2018 19:04:07    2136404

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Replying To legendzxix:  "
Replying To Furlong1949:  "[quote=MesAmis:  "2 Lets say ur a Dub between 1996 and 2010. Dublin dont reach an All Ireland final..Say in that time ur rival Meath wins 5 Sams. Lets say tens of thousands of Meath people move to Cabra Castleknock Marino etc. In everyday life this those bother u. There children go to Dublin schools and play for Dublin clubs. U see more Meath jerseys in Cabra and see no Dublin jerseys. And those children support Meath want to play for Meath and and hate Dublin. How happy would you be with this development ?

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 477 - 24/08/2018 16:16:33

You'd have serious question marks over what Dublin GAA is doing so wrong that it can't attract people actually living in and from Dublin!

So in your analogy there is no one in Ashbourne/Ratoath/Dunboyne in Meath jerseys at the moment. C'mon man what rubbish.

Hyperbolic nonsense.

Meath GAA has gained thousands of new potential players over the last 20 years whose parents are from all over Ireland. It is and will be of a massive benefit to Meath GAA. This is the truth even if you, and a few others, cannot see what's plain and in front of your faces."
U still haven't answered my question. U did everything but answer the question. Yes or no.
If Dublin dont reach All Ireland final for next 20 years, stay in div 2 for next 20 years, dont even reach All Ireland semi final. Meath win 6 All Irelands. Thousands of Meath people move to Dublin play with Dublin clubs but support and want to play for Meath and hate Dublin. Would u be happy with development? Yes or no. Would see this development as a positive development for Dublin football ? Yes or no.
I would be grateful if u cud answer these questions. If u dont answer I will take that as u saying no this is not a positive development. But u wouldnt just admit this."
What's the solution for Meath GAA to this problem you speak of?"]Massive work on the ground, investment, its a dilemana, but the idea that population growth is helping Meath football is false. Since 2000 Meath and kildare have saw a population explosion. This decade is the worst in Meath football since 1920s, this decade along with 1980s is the worst decade in 120 years for kildare football. In terms of future sucess, look at Wicklow, Wicklow is the prime example of how population growth doesnt gurantee sucess. The idea that Meath and kildare could become football nurseries for Dublin GAA has begun and could become a future reality.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 24/08/2018 19:20:26    2136405

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Not at all. I said 3 years. And I'm sticking to it. With Wayne's 3 clubmen on panel next year (Reilly, Brennan, Conlon) the return of a couple of lads from studies, I see no reason why we won't give it a good rattle."
Is that young James Conlon you mentioned ? born and bred in Monaghan and will return to the Farney !

Shelbourne (Monaghan) - Posts: 567 - 24/08/2018 19:45:01    2136413

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Replying To MesAmis:  "
Replying To Furlong1949:  "[quote=MesAmis:  "2 Lets say ur a Dub between 1996 and 2010. Dublin dont reach an All Ireland final..Say in that time ur rival Meath wins 5 Sams. Lets say tens of thousands of Meath people move to Cabra Castleknock Marino etc. In everyday life this those bother u. There children go to Dublin schools and play for Dublin clubs. U see more Meath jerseys in Cabra and see no Dublin jerseys. And those children support Meath want to play for Meath and and hate Dublin. How happy would you be with this development ?

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 477 - 24/08/2018 16:16:33

You'd have serious question marks over what Dublin GAA is doing so wrong that it can't attract people actually living in and from Dublin!

So in your analogy there is no one in Ashbourne/Ratoath/Dunboyne in Meath jerseys at the moment. C'mon man what rubbish.

Hyperbolic nonsense.

Meath GAA has gained thousands of new potential players over the last 20 years whose parents are from all over Ireland. It is and will be of a massive benefit to Meath GAA. This is the truth even if you, and a few others, cannot see what's plain and in front of your faces."
U still haven't answered my question. U did everything but answer the question. Yes or no.
If Dublin dont reach All Ireland final for next 20 years, stay in div 2 for next 20 years, dont even reach All Ireland semi final. Meath win 6 All Irelands. Thousands of Meath people move to Dublin play with Dublin clubs but support and want to play for Meath and hate Dublin. Would u be happy with development? Yes or no. Would see this development as a positive development for Dublin football ? Yes or no.
I would be grateful if u cud answer these questions. If u dont answer I will take that as u saying no this is not a positive development. But u wouldnt just admit this."
Dublin GAA has had years upon years of people coming into Dublin and bringing their kids to see their original county play be they successful or not. It has happened for decades upon decades and all those people coming to Dublin has been an advantage to Dublin GAA. Just like it is currently and will be an advantage to Meath GAA what is currently happening in Meath.

It continues to happen in Dublin. A neighbours child hasn't been out of his Limerick jersey all week! It's great to see him so interested in hurling and showing his passion for his mother's native county. My own 3 girls have Cork jerseys and it is great that they feel a connection to their mother's county. They're still Dubs though.

I don't see how Meath will become this massive exception where the Meath raised children of people from all over the country won't develop an affinity with their county but instead only support their parents counties. Some will grow up continually supporting only their parents county, I know a few Dublin born people that this has happened with that they will support their parents county over Dublin still but for the vast majority it is not the case.

I really don't see what makes Meath so different that Meath people (because that's who we're talking about here) will refuse to support and represent Meath. What makes Meath so supposedly different from the other 31 counties?

The odd few Dubs that will bring their kids back to Dublin for football/hurling doesn't change the fact that migration to Meath is a great thing for Meath GAA. How is load of extra potential footballers and hurlers a bad thing?"]Dublin and Meath r different counties, just because country folk came up to Dublin and their children supported and played for Dublin eg Brogan kerry, Sullivan kerry, McMenanim Donegal. Coz ,Its has worked for Dublin, doesnt necessarly it will be a sucess for Meath.

Yes Meath is different, it is unique. Every county has their own unique characteristics. And there is massive differences between Meath and Dublin. Dublin can take the hit, if thousands of parents kids from down the country support limerick or Galway, Dublin can take the hit , Meath cannot why?. Dublin have ten times the population , ten times the resources, ten times the finances, Dublin is the most powerful county in Irish society, Meath is an average midland county.

Meath unique characteristics are in the area we are situated, we come from a football mad area, but counties are starved of sucess for decades eg Cavan Kildare louth. Yet Meath were hugely sucessful. Meath r in the top 5 counties. Dublin Cork and Galway are in the top 5. No surprise there. All top three counties which are economic social cultural centre points, world famous counties. Kerry is another standout county , a world famous county. Meath is the odd one out. In Irish society Meath wouldnt make top 20 in terms of importance, impact on Irish society. Yet in football terms, we are top county in an area leaving Dublin to one side, starved of sucess. That is unique. We were involved in the most unequal rivalry in Irsh sport. Tipp v Kilkenny are similar size counties, Galway and Mayo have differences, but are similar enough. Meath and Dublin are not similar whatsoever. it was the most unequal rivalry in Irsih sport, yet for 90 years Meath went toe to toe with the capital, and for long periods Dublin couldnt beat strong Meath oppostion. The one thing Dublin could never handle was All Ireland winning Meath team. Our rivalry with Dublin is unique.

No county in football and only Tipp in hurling has as many rivals on its border. This means wherever u are in Meath you have a rival county on your doorsteps. These rivalries with Cavan, Louth, Kildare, Offaly, Westmeath and especially Dublin meant when Meath came out of the provience of leinster we were battle harden. Again soemthing unique to our county.

There has always being migration to Meath, there has always been a hatred towards Meath inside and outside county. No team in gaelic football in the past was more hated then Meath. Not Dublin no county is hated with the passion Meath has being. People can have a more affinity to Dublin. Dublin is our capital, people have a certain respect, gra for Dublin. That is something unique to Meath football, the hatred towards the county. You could meet a Tyrone or Mayo supporter even today and the venom towards Meath from them is a sight to behold.

Meath won 3 All Irelands before migration from the west. Its wasnt the reason for our sucess. If it was how come. kildare which also had massive migration from west of Ireland , there is a massive Galway popuation in kildare, how come kildare has reached 1 All Ireland senior final in 90 years and Meath reached 15 All Ireland senior finals. Some of the people who migrated from the west would live in Meath for 70 or 80 years and you would meet them and they would not only not follow Meath, but hate the county team with a passion. But mostly the children of migrates became involved with Meath clubs and they started to follow Meath and want to play for Meath eg O Malley Mayo, Coyle Donegal, O Rourke leitrim. It was benefiical to Meath.

The current situation seems not to be beneficial. At the moment it aint working, maybe that will change. But just because Dublin current team is an example of a positive migration . It doesnt mean it will work for Meath. Dublin is so big , it can take young people supporting other counties, supporting other sports. A population of 1 million is a massive plus, Dublin can take the hit. Meath might not be able. Meath has unique characterisrtics, the same way most countiel, dublin has , kerry has, down has , Galway has, Offaly has.

But the hatred towards Meath has always being there. And for many Dubs to see their offspring supporting the county of Mick lyons or Graham Gerathy, it is not going to happen. As they said in the 80s and 90s the Dubs hated REM , not the band, but REM, Rangers, England, Meath. I know 4 Dublin parents and their kids play with Meath clubs but are making sure they hate the Meath football county team. Meath has different characteristics , raises different emotions agmost different sections of the GAA community then . My experience so far, that there is an issue on the ground at the moment. And for Dublin supporters who live in Dublin to say there is not an issue, there is nothing to see here. They dont really know what is going on, they have a viewpoint based on a Dublin agenda. There is an issue on the ground, to say there is not, is just not factually incorrect , it is not the reality of the situation. We are not making this up. It is the reality of the situation on the ground in Meath GAA. Fact.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 24/08/2018 20:44:50    2136418

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Furlong - if you want to go down that road there is plenty of reading out there that shows families from the west who moved to Meath in many cases were made feel unwelcome and took many years before the locals accepted them..

Anyway that's the past and not the reason for Martha current woes...

An uncle of mine would be friendly with a well known ex Meath player and he claims Meath took their eye of the ball during their last glory spell...

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11236 - 24/08/2018 21:11:16    2136428

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Replying To Furlong1949:  "
Replying To MesAmis:  "[quote=Furlong1949:  "[quote=MesAmis:  "2 Lets say ur a Dub between 1996 and 2010. Dublin dont reach an All Ireland final..Say in that time ur rival Meath wins 5 Sams. Lets say tens of thousands of Meath people move to Cabra Castleknock Marino etc. In everyday life this those bother u. There children go to Dublin schools and play for Dublin clubs. U see more Meath jerseys in Cabra and see no Dublin jerseys. And those children support Meath want to play for Meath and and hate Dublin. How happy would you be with this development ?

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 477 - 24/08/2018 16:16:33

You'd have serious question marks over what Dublin GAA is doing so wrong that it can't attract people actually living in and from Dublin!

So in your analogy there is no one in Ashbourne/Ratoath/Dunboyne in Meath jerseys at the moment. C'mon man what rubbish.

Hyperbolic nonsense.

Meath GAA has gained thousands of new potential players over the last 20 years whose parents are from all over Ireland. It is and will be of a massive benefit to Meath GAA. This is the truth even if you, and a few others, cannot see what's plain and in front of your faces."
U still haven't answered my question. U did everything but answer the question. Yes or no.
If Dublin dont reach All Ireland final for next 20 years, stay in div 2 for next 20 years, dont even reach All Ireland semi final. Meath win 6 All Irelands. Thousands of Meath people move to Dublin play with Dublin clubs but support and want to play for Meath and hate Dublin. Would u be happy with development? Yes or no. Would see this development as a positive development for Dublin football ? Yes or no.
I would be grateful if u cud answer these questions. If u dont answer I will take that as u saying no this is not a positive development. But u wouldnt just admit this."
Dublin GAA has had years upon years of people coming into Dublin and bringing their kids to see their original county play be they successful or not. It has happened for decades upon decades and all those people coming to Dublin has been an advantage to Dublin GAA. Just like it is currently and will be an advantage to Meath GAA what is currently happening in Meath.

It continues to happen in Dublin. A neighbours child hasn't been out of his Limerick jersey all week! It's great to see him so interested in hurling and showing his passion for his mother's native county. My own 3 girls have Cork jerseys and it is great that they feel a connection to their mother's county. They're still Dubs though.

I don't see how Meath will become this massive exception where the Meath raised children of people from all over the country won't develop an affinity with their county but instead only support their parents counties. Some will grow up continually supporting only their parents county, I know a few Dublin born people that this has happened with that they will support their parents county over Dublin still but for the vast majority it is not the case.

I really don't see what makes Meath so different that Meath people (because that's who we're talking about here) will refuse to support and represent Meath. What makes Meath so supposedly different from the other 31 counties?

The odd few Dubs that will bring their kids back to Dublin for football/hurling doesn't change the fact that migration to Meath is a great thing for Meath GAA. How is load of extra potential footballers and hurlers a bad thing?"]Dublin and Meath r different counties, just because country folk came up to Dublin and their children supported and played for Dublin eg Brogan kerry, Sullivan kerry, McMenanim Donegal. Coz ,Its has worked for Dublin, doesnt necessarly it will be a sucess for Meath.

Yes Meath is different, it is unique. Every county has their own unique characteristics. And there is massive differences between Meath and Dublin. Dublin can take the hit, if thousands of parents kids from down the country support limerick or Galway, Dublin can take the hit , Meath cannot why?. Dublin have ten times the population , ten times the resources, ten times the finances, Dublin is the most powerful county in Irish society, Meath is an average midland county.

Meath unique characteristics are in the area we are situated, we come from a football mad area, but counties are starved of sucess for decades eg Cavan Kildare louth. Yet Meath were hugely sucessful. Meath r in the top 5 counties. Dublin Cork and Galway are in the top 5. No surprise there. All top three counties which are economic social cultural centre points, world famous counties. Kerry is another standout county , a world famous county. Meath is the odd one out. In Irish society Meath wouldnt make top 20 in terms of importance, impact on Irish society. Yet in football terms, we are top county in an area leaving Dublin to one side, starved of sucess. That is unique. We were involved in the most unequal rivalry in Irsh sport. Tipp v Kilkenny are similar size counties, Galway and Mayo have differences, but are similar enough. Meath and Dublin are not similar whatsoever. it was the most unequal rivalry in Irsih sport, yet for 90 years Meath went toe to toe with the capital, and for long periods Dublin couldnt beat strong Meath oppostion. The one thing Dublin could never handle was All Ireland winning Meath team. Our rivalry with Dublin is unique.

No county in football and only Tipp in hurling has as many rivals on its border. This means wherever u are in Meath you have a rival county on your doorsteps. These rivalries with Cavan, Louth, Kildare, Offaly, Westmeath and especially Dublin meant when Meath came out of the provience of leinster we were battle harden. Again soemthing unique to our county.

There has always being migration to Meath, there has always been a hatred towards Meath inside and outside county. No team in gaelic football in the past was more hated then Meath. Not Dublin no county is hated with the passion Meath has being. People can have a more affinity to Dublin. Dublin is our capital, people have a certain respect, gra for Dublin. That is something unique to Meath football, the hatred towards the county. You could meet a Tyrone or Mayo supporter even today and the venom towards Meath from them is a sight to behold.

Meath won 3 All Irelands before migration from the west. Its wasnt the reason for our sucess. If it was how come. kildare which also had massive migration from west of Ireland , there is a massive Galway popuation in kildare, how come kildare has reached 1 All Ireland senior final in 90 years and Meath reached 15 All Ireland senior finals. Some of the people who migrated from the west would live in Meath for 70 or 80 years and you would meet them and they would not only not follow Meath, but hate the county team with a passion. But mostly the children of migrates became involved with Meath clubs and they started to follow Meath and want to play for Meath eg O Malley Mayo, Coyle Donegal, O Rourke leitrim. It was benefiical to Meath.

The current situation seems not to be beneficial. At the moment it aint working, maybe that will change. But just because Dublin current team is an example of a positive migration . It doesnt mean it will work for Meath. Dublin is so big , it can take young people supporting other counties, supporting other sports. A population of 1 million is a massive plus, Dublin can take the hit. Meath might not be able. Meath has unique characterisrtics, the same way most countiel, dublin has , kerry has, down has , Galway has, Offaly has.

But the hatred towards Meath has always being there. And for many Dubs to see their offspring supporting the county of Mick lyons or Graham Gerathy, it is not going to happen. As they said in the 80s and 90s the Dubs hated REM , not the band, but REM, Rangers, England, Meath. I know 4 Dublin parents and their kids play with Meath clubs but are making sure they hate the Meath football county team. Meath has different characteristics , raises different emotions agmost different sections of the GAA community then . My experience so far, that there is an issue on the ground at the moment. And for Dublin supporters who live in Dublin to say there is not an issue, there is nothing to see here. They dont really know what is going on, they have a viewpoint based on a Dublin agenda. There is an issue on the ground, to say there is not, is just not factually incorrect , it is not the reality of the situation. We are not making this up. It is the reality of the situation on the ground in Meath GAA. Fact."]Correlation does not imply causation.

Just because Meath have declined since they've had massive migration into it does not mean the 2 things are in anyway linked.

Meath are no different to any other county in regards more players is a good thing. It always has been a good thing and will continue to be a good thing for all counties, the unique Meath being no different!

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 24/08/2018 21:11:25    2136429

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Replying To MesAmis:  "
Replying To Furlong1949:  "[quote=MesAmis:  "[quote=Furlong1949:  "[quote=MesAmis:  "2 Lets say ur a Dub between 1996 and 2010. Dublin dont reach an All Ireland final..Say in that time ur rival Meath wins 5 Sams. Lets say tens of thousands of Meath people move to Cabra Castleknock Marino etc. In everyday life this those bother u. There children go to Dublin schools and play for Dublin clubs. U see more Meath jerseys in Cabra and see no Dublin jerseys. And those children support Meath want to play for Meath and and hate Dublin. How happy would you be with this development ?

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 477 - 24/08/2018 16:16:33

You'd have serious question marks over what Dublin GAA is doing so wrong that it can't attract people actually living in and from Dublin!

So in your analogy there is no one in Ashbourne/Ratoath/Dunboyne in Meath jerseys at the moment. C'mon man what rubbish.

Hyperbolic nonsense.

Meath GAA has gained thousands of new potential players over the last 20 years whose parents are from all over Ireland. It is and will be of a massive benefit to Meath GAA. This is the truth even if you, and a few others, cannot see what's plain and in front of your faces."
U still haven't answered my question. U did everything but answer the question. Yes or no.
If Dublin dont reach All Ireland final for next 20 years, stay in div 2 for next 20 years, dont even reach All Ireland semi final. Meath win 6 All Irelands. Thousands of Meath people move to Dublin play with Dublin clubs but support and want to play for Meath and hate Dublin. Would u be happy with development? Yes or no. Would see this development as a positive development for Dublin football ? Yes or no.
I would be grateful if u cud answer these questions. If u dont answer I will take that as u saying no this is not a positive development. But u wouldnt just admit this."
Dublin GAA has had years upon years of people coming into Dublin and bringing their kids to see their original county play be they successful or not. It has happened for decades upon decades and all those people coming to Dublin has been an advantage to Dublin GAA. Just like it is currently and will be an advantage to Meath GAA what is currently happening in Meath.

It continues to happen in Dublin. A neighbours child hasn't been out of his Limerick jersey all week! It's great to see him so interested in hurling and showing his passion for his mother's native county. My own 3 girls have Cork jerseys and it is great that they feel a connection to their mother's county. They're still Dubs though.

I don't see how Meath will become this massive exception where the Meath raised children of people from all over the country won't develop an affinity with their county but instead only support their parents counties. Some will grow up continually supporting only their parents county, I know a few Dublin born people that this has happened with that they will support their parents county over Dublin still but for the vast majority it is not the case.

I really don't see what makes Meath so different that Meath people (because that's who we're talking about here) will refuse to support and represent Meath. What makes Meath so supposedly different from the other 31 counties?

The odd few Dubs that will bring their kids back to Dublin for football/hurling doesn't change the fact that migration to Meath is a great thing for Meath GAA. How is load of extra potential footballers and hurlers a bad thing?"]Dublin and Meath r different counties, just because country folk came up to Dublin and their children supported and played for Dublin eg Brogan kerry, Sullivan kerry, McMenanim Donegal. Coz ,Its has worked for Dublin, doesnt necessarly it will be a sucess for Meath.

Yes Meath is different, it is unique. Every county has their own unique characteristics. And there is massive differences between Meath and Dublin. Dublin can take the hit, if thousands of parents kids from down the country support limerick or Galway, Dublin can take the hit , Meath cannot why?. Dublin have ten times the population , ten times the resources, ten times the finances, Dublin is the most powerful county in Irish society, Meath is an average midland county.

Meath unique characteristics are in the area we are situated, we come from a football mad area, but counties are starved of sucess for decades eg Cavan Kildare louth. Yet Meath were hugely sucessful. Meath r in the top 5 counties. Dublin Cork and Galway are in the top 5. No surprise there. All top three counties which are economic social cultural centre points, world famous counties. Kerry is another standout county , a world famous county. Meath is the odd one out. In Irish society Meath wouldnt make top 20 in terms of importance, impact on Irish society. Yet in football terms, we are top county in an area leaving Dublin to one side, starved of sucess. That is unique. We were involved in the most unequal rivalry in Irsh sport. Tipp v Kilkenny are similar size counties, Galway and Mayo have differences, but are similar enough. Meath and Dublin are not similar whatsoever. it was the most unequal rivalry in Irsih sport, yet for 90 years Meath went toe to toe with the capital, and for long periods Dublin couldnt beat strong Meath oppostion. The one thing Dublin could never handle was All Ireland winning Meath team. Our rivalry with Dublin is unique.

No county in football and only Tipp in hurling has as many rivals on its border. This means wherever u are in Meath you have a rival county on your doorsteps. These rivalries with Cavan, Louth, Kildare, Offaly, Westmeath and especially Dublin meant when Meath came out of the provience of leinster we were battle harden. Again soemthing unique to our county.

There has always being migration to Meath, there has always been a hatred towards Meath inside and outside county. No team in gaelic football in the past was more hated then Meath. Not Dublin no county is hated with the passion Meath has being. People can have a more affinity to Dublin. Dublin is our capital, people have a certain respect, gra for Dublin. That is something unique to Meath football, the hatred towards the county. You could meet a Tyrone or Mayo supporter even today and the venom towards Meath from them is a sight to behold.

Meath won 3 All Irelands before migration from the west. Its wasnt the reason for our sucess. If it was how come. kildare which also had massive migration from west of Ireland , there is a massive Galway popuation in kildare, how come kildare has reached 1 All Ireland senior final in 90 years and Meath reached 15 All Ireland senior finals. Some of the people who migrated from the west would live in Meath for 70 or 80 years and you would meet them and they would not only not follow Meath, but hate the county team with a passion. But mostly the children of migrates became involved with Meath clubs and they started to follow Meath and want to play for Meath eg O Malley Mayo, Coyle Donegal, O Rourke leitrim. It was benefiical to Meath.

The current situation seems not to be beneficial. At the moment it aint working, maybe that will change. But just because Dublin current team is an example of a positive migration . It doesnt mean it will work for Meath. Dublin is so big , it can take young people supporting other counties, supporting other sports. A population of 1 million is a massive plus, Dublin can take the hit. Meath might not be able. Meath has unique characterisrtics, the same way most countiel, dublin has , kerry has, down has , Galway has, Offaly has.

But the hatred towards Meath has always being there. And for many Dubs to see their offspring supporting the county of Mick lyons or Graham Gerathy, it is not going to happen. As they said in the 80s and 90s the Dubs hated REM , not the band, but REM, Rangers, England, Meath. I know 4 Dublin parents and their kids play with Meath clubs but are making sure they hate the Meath football county team. Meath has different characteristics , raises different emotions agmost different sections of the GAA community then . My experience so far, that there is an issue on the ground at the moment. And for Dublin supporters who live in Dublin to say there is not an issue, there is nothing to see here. They dont really know what is going on, they have a viewpoint based on a Dublin agenda. There is an issue on the ground, to say there is not, is just not factually incorrect , it is not the reality of the situation. We are not making this up. It is the reality of the situation on the ground in Meath GAA. Fact."]Correlation does not imply causation.

Just because Meath have declined since they've had massive migration into it does not mean the 2 things are in anyway linked.

Meath are no different to any other county in regards more players is a good thing. It always has been a good thing and will continue to be a good thing for all counties, the unique Meath being no different!"]Again its not working on the ground. You can say it is and will work . But your a Dub with a Dublin agenda who is not going to say anything bad about Dublin or Dublin supporters.

On the ground in reality, in real life, it is not benefitting Meath or kildare. You can the deny truth. Its your perogative. In terms of futture, I have serious doubts it will be a benefit. Just look at Wicklow, big popuation no Leinster title ever, limerick big population, no Munster title or All Ireland title in 120 years in football, and up to this year 1 hurling All Ireland in 90 years. Meath has different characteristics, I have already explained them above. All counties do. But our rivalry with Dublin is unique. There is nothing like it in Irish sport in terms on how unequal the rivalry was , the million plus capital v bogmen from midlands county of Meath. That rivalry is dead at the moment, the issues I talked about above will not help things. Meath v Dublin rivalry was and will always be essential to Meaths sucess as a football county. If you have many Meath youngsters in Meath clubs supporting and wanting to play for Dublin and hating Meath, I dont know how in gods name you could see that as a benefit to Meath. I have the interests of Meath football. No disrespect to u, but being Dub Im sure you would be very happy if Meath didnt score another single point in the football championship ever again ; You have a Dublin agenda , thats where ur coming from. And what you are saying is not reality. There is reality , young people in Meath club supporting Dublin and then there is your version , which is not reality. Its just another barrier , another dilemna, another issue that Meath need to deal with if we are to come roaring back. Its aint a help. its another hinderance.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 24/08/2018 21:31:13    2136434

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Replying To Furlong1949:  "
Replying To MesAmis:  "[quote=Furlong1949:  "[quote=MesAmis:  "[quote=Furlong1949:  "[quote=MesAmis:  "2 Lets say ur a Dub between 1996 and 2010. Dublin dont reach an All Ireland final..Say in that time ur rival Meath wins 5 Sams. Lets say tens of thousands of Meath people move to Cabra Castleknock Marino etc. In everyday life this those bother u. There children go to Dublin schools and play for Dublin clubs. U see more Meath jerseys in Cabra and see no Dublin jerseys. And those children support Meath want to play for Meath and and hate Dublin. How happy would you be with this development ?

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 477 - 24/08/2018 16:16:33

You'd have serious question marks over what Dublin GAA is doing so wrong that it can't attract people actually living in and from Dublin!

So in your analogy there is no one in Ashbourne/Ratoath/Dunboyne in Meath jerseys at the moment. C'mon man what rubbish.

Hyperbolic nonsense.

Meath GAA has gained thousands of new potential players over the last 20 years whose parents are from all over Ireland. It is and will be of a massive benefit to Meath GAA. This is the truth even if you, and a few others, cannot see what's plain and in front of your faces."
U still haven't answered my question. U did everything but answer the question. Yes or no.
If Dublin dont reach All Ireland final for next 20 years, stay in div 2 for next 20 years, dont even reach All Ireland semi final. Meath win 6 All Irelands. Thousands of Meath people move to Dublin play with Dublin clubs but support and want to play for Meath and hate Dublin. Would u be happy with development? Yes or no. Would see this development as a positive development for Dublin football ? Yes or no.
I would be grateful if u cud answer these questions. If u dont answer I will take that as u saying no this is not a positive development. But u wouldnt just admit this."
Dublin GAA has had years upon years of people coming into Dublin and bringing their kids to see their original county play be they successful or not. It has happened for decades upon decades and all those people coming to Dublin has been an advantage to Dublin GAA. Just like it is currently and will be an advantage to Meath GAA what is currently happening in Meath.

It continues to happen in Dublin. A neighbours child hasn't been out of his Limerick jersey all week! It's great to see him so interested in hurling and showing his passion for his mother's native county. My own 3 girls have Cork jerseys and it is great that they feel a connection to their mother's county. They're still Dubs though.

I don't see how Meath will become this massive exception where the Meath raised children of people from all over the country won't develop an affinity with their county but instead only support their parents counties. Some will grow up continually supporting only their parents county, I know a few Dublin born people that this has happened with that they will support their parents county over Dublin still but for the vast majority it is not the case.

I really don't see what makes Meath so different that Meath people (because that's who we're talking about here) will refuse to support and represent Meath. What makes Meath so supposedly different from the other 31 counties?

The odd few Dubs that will bring their kids back to Dublin for football/hurling doesn't change the fact that migration to Meath is a great thing for Meath GAA. How is load of extra potential footballers and hurlers a bad thing?"]Dublin and Meath r different counties, just because country folk came up to Dublin and their children supported and played for Dublin eg Brogan kerry, Sullivan kerry, McMenanim Donegal. Coz ,Its has worked for Dublin, doesnt necessarly it will be a sucess for Meath.

Yes Meath is different, it is unique. Every county has their own unique characteristics. And there is massive differences between Meath and Dublin. Dublin can take the hit, if thousands of parents kids from down the country support limerick or Galway, Dublin can take the hit , Meath cannot why?. Dublin have ten times the population , ten times the resources, ten times the finances, Dublin is the most powerful county in Irish society, Meath is an average midland county.

Meath unique characteristics are in the area we are situated, we come from a football mad area, but counties are starved of sucess for decades eg Cavan Kildare louth. Yet Meath were hugely sucessful. Meath r in the top 5 counties. Dublin Cork and Galway are in the top 5. No surprise there. All top three counties which are economic social cultural centre points, world famous counties. Kerry is another standout county , a world famous county. Meath is the odd one out. In Irish society Meath wouldnt make top 20 in terms of importance, impact on Irish society. Yet in football terms, we are top county in an area leaving Dublin to one side, starved of sucess. That is unique. We were involved in the most unequal rivalry in Irsh sport. Tipp v Kilkenny are similar size counties, Galway and Mayo have differences, but are similar enough. Meath and Dublin are not similar whatsoever. it was the most unequal rivalry in Irsih sport, yet for 90 years Meath went toe to toe with the capital, and for long periods Dublin couldnt beat strong Meath oppostion. The one thing Dublin could never handle was All Ireland winning Meath team. Our rivalry with Dublin is unique.

No county in football and only Tipp in hurling has as many rivals on its border. This means wherever u are in Meath you have a rival county on your doorsteps. These rivalries with Cavan, Louth, Kildare, Offaly, Westmeath and especially Dublin meant when Meath came out of the provience of leinster we were battle harden. Again soemthing unique to our county.

There has always being migration to Meath, there has always been a hatred towards Meath inside and outside county. No team in gaelic football in the past was more hated then Meath. Not Dublin no county is hated with the passion Meath has being. People can have a more affinity to Dublin. Dublin is our capital, people have a certain respect, gra for Dublin. That is something unique to Meath football, the hatred towards the county. You could meet a Tyrone or Mayo supporter even today and the venom towards Meath from them is a sight to behold.

Meath won 3 All Irelands before migration from the west. Its wasnt the reason for our sucess. If it was how come. kildare which also had massive migration from west of Ireland , there is a massive Galway popuation in kildare, how come kildare has reached 1 All Ireland senior final in 90 years and Meath reached 15 All Ireland senior finals. Some of the people who migrated from the west would live in Meath for 70 or 80 years and you would meet them and they would not only not follow Meath, but hate the county team with a passion. But mostly the children of migrates became involved with Meath clubs and they started to follow Meath and want to play for Meath eg O Malley Mayo, Coyle Donegal, O Rourke leitrim. It was benefiical to Meath.

The current situation seems not to be beneficial. At the moment it aint working, maybe that will change. But just because Dublin current team is an example of a positive migration . It doesnt mean it will work for Meath. Dublin is so big , it can take young people supporting other counties, supporting other sports. A population of 1 million is a massive plus, Dublin can take the hit. Meath might not be able. Meath has unique characterisrtics, the same way most countiel, dublin has , kerry has, down has , Galway has, Offaly has.

But the hatred towards Meath has always being there. And for many Dubs to see their offspring supporting the county of Mick lyons or Graham Gerathy, it is not going to happen. As they said in the 80s and 90s the Dubs hated REM , not the band, but REM, Rangers, England, Meath. I know 4 Dublin parents and their kids play with Meath clubs but are making sure they hate the Meath football county team. Meath has different characteristics , raises different emotions agmost different sections of the GAA community then . My experience so far, that there is an issue on the ground at the moment. And for Dublin supporters who live in Dublin to say there is not an issue, there is nothing to see here. They dont really know what is going on, they have a viewpoint based on a Dublin agenda. There is an issue on the ground, to say there is not, is just not factually incorrect , it is not the reality of the situation. We are not making this up. It is the reality of the situation on the ground in Meath GAA. Fact."]Correlation does not imply causation.

Just because Meath have declined since they've had massive migration into it does not mean the 2 things are in anyway linked.

Meath are no different to any other county in regards more players is a good thing. It always has been a good thing and will continue to be a good thing for all counties, the unique Meath being no different!"]Again its not working on the ground. You can say it is and will work . But your a Dub with a Dublin agenda who is not going to say anything bad about Dublin or Dublin supporters.

On the ground in reality, in real life, it is not benefitting Meath or kildare. You can the deny truth. Its your perogative. In terms of futture, I have serious doubts it will be a benefit. Just look at Wicklow, big popuation no Leinster title ever, limerick big population, no Munster title or All Ireland title in 120 years in football, and up to this year 1 hurling All Ireland in 90 years. Meath has different characteristics, I have already explained them above. All counties do. But our rivalry with Dublin is unique. There is nothing like it in Irish sport in terms on how unequal the rivalry was , the million plus capital v bogmen from midlands county of Meath. That rivalry is dead at the moment, the issues I talked about above will not help things. Meath v Dublin rivalry was and will always be essential to Meaths sucess as a football county. If you have many Meath youngsters in Meath clubs supporting and wanting to play for Dublin and hating Meath, I dont know how in gods name you could see that as a benefit to Meath. I have the interests of Meath football. No disrespect to u, but being Dub Im sure you would be very happy if Meath didnt score another single point in the football championship ever again ; You have a Dublin agenda , thats where ur coming from. And what you are saying is not reality. There is reality , young people in Meath club supporting Dublin and then there is your version , which is not reality. Its just another barrier , another dilemna, another issue that Meath need to deal with if we are to come roaring back. Its aint a help. its another hinderance."]So again you're sticking to the bonkers mantra that extra players in Meath clubs is a hindrance just because a few of their parents are from Dublin.

Extra people coming into a county have never been a hindrance to any other county ever.

You're looking for what is wrong in Meath football and you come up with a fallacy as old as time: "it's all the new people's fault!". "They're dilutung our uniqueness".

It's the logic of a child to be honest. Me being a Dub has nothing to do with it, I just see childish logic that makes no sense beyond excuse making and laying blame in the wrong place. I have no agenda except an agenda against people spouting absolute illogical rubbish.

Without Dublin people moving to Meath the county would still have had massive migration into it in the last 20 years. This is a point you continually failed to grasp seeing as your only problem seems to be with the Dubs moving in.

Migration to Meath is obviously great for Meath GAA. This is undeniable as its so plainly true. Just because it is yet to bare fruit doesn't make it untrue. And if it doesn't bare fruit or won't be because it was a bad thing it'll be because Meath GAA were incompetent. It's that simple that even the likes of you and Royaldunne will eventually understand so don't overly worry about not understanding it yet. You'll get there.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 25/08/2018 09:13:06    2136463

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