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I wholeheartedly agree, its constant moaning and negative rubbish. The game has its problems, but there are multiple excellent games throughout the year, with this year being no different. RTE in particular are constantly sticking the boot in. And while there have been many brilliant games in the hurling this year, people seem to be willing to overlook the fact that the Leinster championship was like watching paint dry outside of the Dublin-Kilkenny game. I think its just become fashionable to knock the game all the time. Hopefully Sky continue to get access to games, at least you can listen to some sort of sensible and realistic analysis there instead of 'Kevin McStay threw the ball at the linesman as he was frustrated, and he wouldn't have been frustrated if we had a two tier championship.' There is also a lot of people looking through rose tinted glasses. Go back and re-watch a match of brainless hoof the ball football from the 70's or 80's, and compare it to what we saw in the first half of Galway-Kildare, or the whole of Monaghan v Kerry, Roscommon v Armagh, Tyrone v Monaghan, any of a number of Leinster championship games not involving Dublin, and tell me that we're not in a better place petejoeduff (Donegal) - Posts: 329 - 03/08/2018 19:08:01 2128807 Link
Huge Amount of negativity for sure A pity some of these lads don't talk about the good stuff: Leinster championship (aside from Dublin games) Connacht final Monaghan v Tyrone Monaghan v Fermanagh Wexford v Waterford Carlow Shane walshe and Clifford Kildare games including Derry and Longford Kerry v Monaghan Tyrone v Dublin After week one of the super 8's the commentators bemoaned the lack of a shock result in week, Galway had just beaten Kerry in the championship for the first time in 53 years, FFS ......... My favourite Carr quote was 2 years ago on RTE radio 1 during the league "I find these high scoring games boring" Have to say the keep ball in the Dublin Donegal was annoying but the fact that a team that was loosing by 4 or 5 points in the last few minutes and wouldn't attack the ball drove me bonkers Galway were at it against Kildare but it was exciting because Kildare pushed up to try and force turnovers Maroonedinlongford (Galway) - Posts: 242 - 03/08/2018 22:07:12 2128833 Link
its-atrocious-stuff-former-dublin-manager-tom-carr-claims-you-would-have-to-pay-him-to-watch-modern-gaelic-football Very ironic that with his press pass, its a long time since Tommy ( was Tommy when he was our manager ) had to pay into a game and he does get paid to watch gaelic football unlike the overwhelming majority of us who play and support the game through thick and thin. facethepuckout (Roscommon) - Posts: 214 - 03/08/2018 22:38:47 2128838 Link
Replying To supporter: "I agree 100%. I know there are issues with the game of football but there is a lot of good too but we rarely hear about it. Also I don't agree with the ongoing comparisons with hurling mainly by hurling pundits. Its a completely different game so direct comparisons are pointless." Tell Owen Mulligan that. He was saying somehting similar recently and hes a football man for sure. ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 693 - 03/08/2018 22:48:11 2128840 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "It's the usual rubbish that plays to the auld lad in the pub. There's definitely a certain lack of competition to Dublin that hurts any game they're involved in. There are other big gaps in quality in match ups that lead to one team setting up ultra defensively. When you get 2 teams going all out to win though it is a very exciting game. The Kildare games against Mayo and Galway and the Monaghan Kerry games it's still an exciting game. Recent Dublin Mayo Kerry encounters have entertained. Granted we do see too few games that are exciting but I really think it's to do with imbalances in quality rather than the game itself. I also think moving the league out of February March would be good. For all best the best teams league is a more important competition for them so they devote a lot of their season to football in bad conditions where defense is king." Is the auld lad in the pub who played for his parish for 25 years winning 11 county tittles. Went on to play for his county for 16 years. Could kick a dead ball from the centre of the field over the bar or from 60 yds out on the side line. Could field the ball in between 6 players and solo run toe to hand the length of the field. Got in at least 6 blockdowns in a game and stuck his opponents head in the ground a dozen times with a hefty shoulder. Could deliver a pass to a team mate with his boot from 40 yds.Later on in his career he went in full forward and would rattle the net a few times in a game. This must be the auld you are talking about alright. If you ever meet him in person kneel down and bow to him. Don't let on you know any thing about football because compared to him you don't; Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 04/08/2018 01:42:13 2128855 Link
What needs to stop? Free speech? 890202 (Wexford) - Posts: 1278 - 04/08/2018 01:51:16 2128857 Link
Replying To petejoeduff: "I wholeheartedly agree, its constant moaning and negative rubbish. The game has its problems, but there are multiple excellent games throughout the year, with this year being no different. RTE in particular are constantly sticking the boot in. And while there have been many brilliant games in the hurling this year, people seem to be willing to overlook the fact that the Leinster championship was like watching paint dry outside of the Dublin-Kilkenny game. I think its just become fashionable to knock the game all the time. Hopefully Sky continue to get access to games, at least you can listen to some sort of sensible and realistic analysis there instead of 'Kevin McStay threw the ball at the linesman as he was frustrated, and he wouldn't have been frustrated if we had a two tier championship.' There is also a lot of people looking through rose tinted glasses. Go back and re-watch a match of brainless hoof the ball football from the 70's or 80's, and compare it to what we saw in the first half of Galway-Kildare, or the whole of Monaghan v Kerry, Roscommon v Armagh, Tyrone v Monaghan, any of a number of Leinster championship games not involving Dublin, and tell me that we're not in a better place" Don't talk rubbish about the Leinster hurling championship, it had plenty of exciting games - the drawn final, tough battle and exciting finish; the replay, Kilkenny coming from 12 points down to within a point before Galway pulled clear again in the last few minutes; Kilkenny coming from 9 points down to beat Wexford by 1 point in a packed Nowlan Park; the unexpected competitiveness of Dublin coming within 2 points of Kilkenny and Wexford and 1 point of Galway, when everyone expected them to take three hammerings. If the Ulster championship had half as many exciting matches we'd never hear the end of it on here. Paint dry, my arse. ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 04/08/2018 12:26:44 2128901 Link
Replying To Canuck: "If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck. guess what, it is probably a duck. There is no point in being in denial about what was a good sport that has been gutted like a fish in the name of improvement. Not one of these changes was for the better. My opinion and respect everyone else's." You are correct but the guys in denial have been used to nothing else and if you disagree with their opinion you are being negative. The strength and conditioning levels have increased along with the injuries, however the skill levels have gone down. The game is called football for a reason, but we now have so much hand-passing along with all types of lateral / back passing that is fast becoming like that other sport that occupied a lot of minds over the last few weeks. browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 04/08/2018 14:05:14 2128928 Link
Replying To Canuck: "Is the auld lad in the pub who played for his parish for 25 years winning 11 county tittles. Went on to play for his county for 16 years. Could kick a dead ball from the centre of the field over the bar or from 60 yds out on the side line. Could field the ball in between 6 players and solo run toe to hand the length of the field. Got in at least 6 blockdowns in a game and stuck his opponents head in the ground a dozen times with a hefty shoulder. Could deliver a pass to a team mate with his boot from 40 yds.Later on in his career he went in full forward and would rattle the net a few times in a game. This must be the auld you are talking about alright. If you ever meet him in person kneel down and bow to him. Don't let on you know any thing about football because compared to him you don't;" Haha, wow that's a serious reaction. To be clear I didn't call him an auld man in the pub. He was a great player. Doesn't make him a good writer or original thinker. He's now a journalist and in my opinion doesn't hold up to professional journalists like Ewan McKenna. His profile fits what a lot of media wants to provide. It's the match of the day easy analysis that doesn't look to scratch beneath the surface. Whatever it's not for me. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 04/08/2018 16:24:39 2128948 Link
Replying To browncows: "You are correct but the guys in denial have been used to nothing else and if you disagree with their opinion you are being negative. The strength and conditioning levels have increased along with the injuries, however the skill levels have gone down. The game is called football for a reason, but we now have so much hand-passing along with all types of lateral / back passing that is fast becoming like that other sport that occupied a lot of minds over the last few weeks." That is exactly what has occurred. Look I was being a little factious but disgusted where the game has gone. Growing up in a parish that only played football. A dad who was an accomplished footballer by any standard. Never missing an All-Ireland. It is hard to go back but I believe a combination of both would get the sport to where it was. Kicking the dead ball off the ground. Ball must go forward from these plays. If you receive a hand pass you can not play one. Allow a frontal charge provided it is not to the head and the arms are down. This would negate a lot of the pulling and dragging from behind because it would give a better option to stopping progress. Also the player in possession would release quicker. The players are much better athletes now and would love to see them play this type of "FOOTBALL". There is nothing more ridiculous that seeing a free taker walking around with the ball in his hand looking for a better angle. Starts 25 yds and ends up t 15 yds. Give the score and save the time. I am surprised we have not gone further towards soccer drawing a circle on the ground from where it should be taken. What an awful thought? Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 04/08/2018 16:46:55 2128952 Link
Anyone who thinks Carr is talking nonsense must have their head buried up their hole, football today is sh%te of the highest order, hurling putting it into context this year, even the World Cup in Russia provided better entertainment. Some of today's Gaelic footballers throwing themselves to the ground holding their face feigning injury are an embarrassment, they make Neymar look like an amateur. Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 409 - 04/08/2018 16:47:00 2128953 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "Haha, wow that's a serious reaction. To be clear I didn't call him an auld man in the pub. He was a great player. Doesn't make him a good writer or original thinker. He's now a journalist and in my opinion doesn't hold up to professional journalists like Ewan McKenna. His profile fits what a lot of media wants to provide. It's the match of the day easy analysis that doesn't look to scratch beneath the surface. Whatever it's not for me." No you did not but as browncows said people are in denial about the skills that did exist and call everyone anti-football. Put todays skills or lack of head to head with those older skills and it is no contest. Look at hurling and the opposite are the facts. Players slapping the ball off the ground, cutting side line balls from their own half or doing a Nicky Quaid etc. etc. We of the other opinion have no problem in saying the football players today are better athletes. Give them a game other than this bast-rd ball and they will excel. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 04/08/2018 16:57:53 2128956 Link
Replying To Uimhir.a.3.: "Anyone who thinks Carr is talking nonsense must have their head buried up their hole, football today is sh%te of the highest order, hurling putting it into context this year, even the World Cup in Russia provided better entertainment. Some of today's Gaelic footballers throwing themselves to the ground holding their face feigning injury are an embarrassment, they make Neymar look like an amateur." Hope you are not talking about Comer neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 04/08/2018 17:38:20 2128961 Link
Replying To Canuck: "No you did not but as browncows said people are in denial about the skills that did exist and call everyone anti-football. Put todays skills or lack of head to head with those older skills and it is no contest. Look at hurling and the opposite are the facts. Players slapping the ball off the ground, cutting side line balls from their own half or doing a Nicky Quaid etc. etc. We of the other opinion have no problem in saying the football players today are better athletes. Give them a game other than this bast-rd ball and they will excel." Complete nonesence. Football players today are far more skillful than players of the, even the relatively recent pass. Pundits complain about how tactical the game has become and indeed about the choice of tactics. Many pine for the past when the only tactic was to kick the ball as far as you could in the general direction of opposing team's goal and hope that your player could outfield his opposite number - a tactic that still survives in most hurling games. Brainless neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 04/08/2018 17:49:41 2128964 Link
Replying To Canuck: "No you did not but as browncows said people are in denial about the skills that did exist and call everyone anti-football. Put todays skills or lack of head to head with those older skills and it is no contest. Look at hurling and the opposite are the facts. Players slapping the ball off the ground, cutting side line balls from their own half or doing a Nicky Quaid etc. etc. We of the other opinion have no problem in saying the football players today are better athletes. Give them a game other than this bast-rd ball and they will excel." A big problem with football is that there's a lack of depth in the game. There's no real challenge to Dublin as a result there are too few good games. Ulster football over the last 10 years has been competitive and as a result we've seen a lot of Ulster football. It hasn't been good. I dislike the football of Ulster teams from 5 years ago or so. I think the Ulster teams are moving away from that style. It's a pity Donegal lost McBrearty as they were trying to get a good style to their play. Kerry need to drop Fitzmaurice they are a shambles tactically and I feel the game needs a strong Kerry. It'll be interesting to see how Galway get on in the semifinals and possible final and how positive they play. I think comparisons with Hurling are unfair. I'm Hurling the only games you see are between the top teams. Hurling has definitely overall has been much better this season and the last few seasons. Dublin Mayo though have treated us to some great games and it's this reason that I don't think the problem is with the game itself. The skill levels are definitely better now. The scores that teams put up despite blanket defenses are testament to that. The coordination and support play now is way better than in the day when players had more room and could get by their man and destroy a defense that easily. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 04/08/2018 18:09:29 2128965 Link
Kick and Catch is the only way to play football.This modern stuff is nonsensical.Nobody now can take a dropkick.Or kick overhead.Or dribble.Or flick the ball over their head. worple (Roscommon) - Posts: 339 - 04/08/2018 18:24:50 2128967 Link
Replying To neverright: "Complete nonesence. Football players today are far more skillful than players of the, even the relatively recent pass. Pundits complain about how tactical the game has become and indeed about the choice of tactics. Many pine for the past when the only tactic was to kick the ball as far as you could in the general direction of opposing team's goal and hope that your player could outfield his opposite number - a tactic that still survives in most hurling games. Brainless" The Kerry team from the 80s would be humiliated by the top teams today. Anyone who can't see that is blinded by nostalgia. There's no shortage of highlights on youtube. Have a look. It's woeful standard altogether. People find that entertaining? Whatever you're into. It made for a better atmosphere at the games because it's end to end and loaded with 50/50 challenges but in terms of technical skills it's schoolboy stuff. Pantani (Dublin) - Posts: 48 - 04/08/2018 18:55:28 2128978 Link
Replying To neverright: "Complete nonesence. Football players today are far more skillful than players of the, even the relatively recent pass. Pundits complain about how tactical the game has become and indeed about the choice of tactics. Many pine for the past when the only tactic was to kick the ball as far as you could in the general direction of opposing team's goal and hope that your player could outfield his opposite number - a tactic that still survives in most hurling games. Brainless" Yeah football is so cerebral now....like chess. And as an action sport just as riveting to watch. PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 04/08/2018 19:01:05 2128979 Link
Replying To PoolSturgeon: "Yeah football is so cerebral now....like chess. And as an action sport just as riveting to watch." You shouldn't be having a go at Galway's performance today. Be a true fan neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 04/08/2018 19:56:29 2129006 Link
Replying To worple: "Kick and Catch is the only way to play football.This modern stuff is nonsensical.Nobody now can take a dropkick.Or kick overhead.Or dribble.Or flick the ball over their head." ?????. What are you on? neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 04/08/2018 19:59:14 2129013 Link