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in rugby league,you get 6 passes before you have to give the ball back,or have made 10 yards.
could we have a "set of 6" where you have 6 passes before you have to shoot or give the ball back to the opposition.
i have no idea if this would work at all,and it might lead to more defensive play,but throwing it up for discussion.
perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 25/07/2018 17:26:11
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The best way to negate the blanket defence is to keep the ball and wait patiently for an opening.
It's taken teams a long time to figure this out but they've finally cottoned on to it.
And now that we are seeing the blanket defence's weakness being exposed, people aren't happy and they want to see the tactics that negate the blanket being outlawed through rule changes!
I really don't get it.
This suggestion would be the same and play into the hands of any team playing negatively. Same as limiting handpasses, forcing players to kick (I mean c'mon!), shot clocks etc.
If there are to be rule changes they need to be focused on the blanket defence, not on the tactics that can beat the blanket defence.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 25/07/2018 17:37:27
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Replying To MesAmis: "The best way to negate the blanket defence is to keep the ball and wait patiently for an opening.
It's taken teams a long time to figure this out but they've finally cottoned on to it.
And now that we are seeing the blanket defence's weakness being exposed, people aren't happy and they want to see the tactics that negate the blanket being outlawed through rule changes!
I really don't get it.
This suggestion would be the same and play into the hands of any team playing negatively. Same as limiting handpasses, forcing players to kick (I mean c'mon!), shot clocks etc.
If there are to be rule changes they need to be focused on the blanket defence, not on the tactics that can beat the blanket defence." Amen.
The handwringing and nonsense that's come out since Dublin decided not to bother playing into Donegal's hands is puerile.
Are we to be barraged with this guff everytime Dublin innovate within the laws of the game? First the Cluxton Rule, next a take-your-pick pot-pourri of rules because Dublin decide to retain possession rather than get sucked into a blanket vortex?
The onus is on the opposition to pressure the ball, not the rulemakers.
Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 383 - 25/07/2018 18:03:32
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Replying To Gavvygavgav: "Amen.
The handwringing and nonsense that's come out since Dublin decided not to bother playing into Donegal's hands is puerile.
Are we to be barraged with this guff everytime Dublin innovate within the laws of the game? First the Cluxton Rule, next a take-your-pick pot-pourri of rules because Dublin decide to retain possession rather than get sucked into a blanket vortex?
The onus is on the opposition to pressure the ball, not the rulemakers." I don't think it is anything to do with Dublin to be honest but it is really hard to work out what people want.
There is far too much hyperbole surrounding talk about football at the moment. Everyone has an opinion and it all negative.
The sport is as good as it ever was if we're actually honest. Look at games from the halcyon past if you don't believe.
If you think football is bad now, then it has always been awful so.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 25/07/2018 18:20:54
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Replying To MesAmis: " Replying To Gavvygavgav: "Amen.
The handwringing and nonsense that's come out since Dublin decided not to bother playing into Donegal's hands is puerile.
Are we to be barraged with this guff everytime Dublin innovate within the laws of the game? First the Cluxton Rule, next a take-your-pick pot-pourri of rules because Dublin decide to retain possession rather than get sucked into a blanket vortex?
The onus is on the opposition to pressure the ball, not the rulemakers." I don't think it is anything to do with Dublin to be honest but it is really hard to work out what people want. There is far too much hyperbole surrounding talk about football at the moment. Everyone has an opinion and it all negative. The sport is as good as it ever was if we're actually honest. Look at games from the halcyon past if you don't believe. If you think football is bad now, then it has always been awful so."
This 'set-ofsix', 'shot-clock', 'no-passing-back-beyond-your-45' stuff only came about after the Dublin Donegal match.
What's next?
Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 383 - 25/07/2018 19:19:00
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in rugby league,you get 6 passes before you have to give the ball back,or have made 10 yards.
could we have a "set of 6" where you have 6 passes before you have to shoot or give the ball back to the opposition.
i have no idea if this would work at all,and it might lead to more defensive play,but throwing it up for discussion.
perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 2668 - 25/07/2018 17:26:11 You dont have 6 passes before you turn the ball over to the opposition and you dont have to make 10 metres. After each tackle all bar 2 of the opposition have to be 10 metres back but there is nothing stating you have to make 10metres/yards. Cant have 6 possessions before you have to shoot as what if you gain possession on your 14m line. 6 passes wont get you into a scoring opportunity 90% of the time
The best way to negate the blanket defence is to keep the ball and wait patiently for an opening.
Kickout rule was only brought in because teams weren't pressing cluxton's kickouts all the way back.
This 'set-ofsix', 'shot-clock', 'no-passing-back-beyond-your-45' stuff only came about after the Dublin Donegal match.
What's next?
Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 268 - 25/07/2018 19:19:00 No matter how much you and some other dublin fans want it to be the case. people have been calling for changes to the game long before the dublin donegal game and long before dublins recent dominance of the game. it is attempts to improve the sport and not an anti dublin agenda
DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 25/07/2018 19:38:18
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Kickout rule change had nothing to do with Cluxton. It was brought in because every team was taking short kickouts and it was making cack of the game as a spectacle. This idea Dublin fans have that it was done to penalise or subdue cluxton is laughably egotistical.
There is a lot of talk about rule changes at the minute alright, again Dubs seem to have this warped idea that it's about them. It's not! The Dublin v Donegal game probably brought about the discussion, but it's a much wider issue than 10 minutes at the end of a game Dublin has already won (i have no issue with how Dubs finished out that game btw). The game has become over tactical and as a spectacle is brutal at the moment, with the odd good game among the dross. Maybe it was always that way, but that doesn't mean it can't be improved.
I have no particular agenda to bring in rule changes myself but if changes can be brought in that would open up the game and incentivise tactics that will benefit progressive teams I think it's worth a discussion. I think the new kickout rule has benefited the game, as has the mark for example.
They need to be carefully considered however, I would be completely against rushed rules driven by the media.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 25/07/2018 19:48:31
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Replying To MesAmis: " Replying To Gavvygavgav: "Amen.
The handwringing and nonsense that's come out since Dublin decided not to bother playing into Donegal's hands is puerile.
Are we to be barraged with this guff everytime Dublin innovate within the laws of the game? First the Cluxton Rule, next a take-your-pick pot-pourri of rules because Dublin decide to retain possession rather than get sucked into a blanket vortex?
The onus is on the opposition to pressure the ball, not the rulemakers." I don't think it is anything to do with Dublin to be honest but it is really hard to work out what people want. There is far too much hyperbole surrounding talk about football at the moment. Everyone has an opinion and it all negative. The sport is as good as it ever was if we're actually honest. Look at games from the halcyon past if you don't believe. If you think football is bad now, then it has always been awful so."
Constant requests to change the rules to deal with the latest issue, without any real foresight.
The consistent quality of scores and passes in the game today are way above previous eras.
Another common thread is any time a team gets hammered, there's an immediate denouncing of the fact that they're in the same competition as the team who beat them.
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2046 - 25/07/2018 20:25:24
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A set of 6 or anything like that is ridiculous. There needs to be solutions in terms of finding an appropriate level of competition going forward. The GAA have let the Railway Cup slip away when it should be the way forward for a higher level of competition that can bring the sport to a whole new level.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 26/07/2018 11:36:03
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A set of 6 or anything like that is ridiculous. There needs to be solutions in terms of finding an appropriate level of competition going forward. The GAA have let the Railway Cup slip away when it should be the way forward for a higher level of competition that can bring the sport to a whole new level.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 5458 - 26/07/2018 11:36:03 The Railway Cup isnt really a step forwatd that can bring the sport to a whole new level when its so limited with it just being 4 teams and cant expand.
DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 26/07/2018 12:36:09
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Replying To perfect10: "in rugby league,you get 6 passes before you have to give the ball back,or have made 10 yards.
could we have a "set of 6" where you have 6 passes before you have to shoot or give the ball back to the opposition.
i have no idea if this would work at all,and it might lead to more defensive play,but throwing it up for discussion." afer a score/wide firstly the kickout should be "mandatory" that the ball is kicked out field towards half way..not towards either wing back postions!...when caught or taken possession of, the ball must cross the half way line (if not already done so) after say 3 passes (it must be kicked or handpassed beyond halfway after 3 passes)..once over half way, once in attack end of the field, either a set number of passes or say 90 seconds a shot must be taken on goal/point..if not, free kick awared to opposing team from their own 45m line..same rules apply then to the opposition, 3 passes to cross half way, 90 seconds/number of passes to shoot for a score..this holding up the ball and kicking it everywhere bar up the field is disgusting football and destroying it..see players getting the ball into 30 yards from goal and make space and stop to turn around to see if they can off load it to someone else...another solution would be where the player that gets it free on 30 or so and doesn't shoot if free..whistle blows..free out...
Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 26/07/2018 12:49:17
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Replying To WanPintWin: " Replying To MesAmis: "[quote=Gavvygavgav: "Amen.
The handwringing and nonsense that's come out since Dublin decided not to bother playing into Donegal's hands is puerile.
Are we to be barraged with this guff everytime Dublin innovate within the laws of the game? First the Cluxton Rule, next a take-your-pick pot-pourri of rules because Dublin decide to retain possession rather than get sucked into a blanket vortex?
The onus is on the opposition to pressure the ball, not the rulemakers." I don't think it is anything to do with Dublin to be honest but it is really hard to work out what people want. There is far too much hyperbole surrounding talk about football at the moment. Everyone has an opinion and it all negative. The sport is as good as it ever was if we're actually honest. Look at games from the halcyon past if you don't believe. If you think football is bad now, then it has always been awful so."
Constant requests to change the rules to deal with the latest issue, without any real foresight.
The consistent quality of scores and passes in the game today are way above previous eras.
Another common thread is any time a team gets hammered, there's an immediate denouncing of the fact that they're in the same competition as the team who beat them."]I agree with the point that the quality of the football now is much higher than in the past. Kerry V Dublin from 2001 in Thurles was on Eir Sport the other night. Much of that game was absolute dross, first half especially but everyone remembers it as a classic because of the novelty factor in thurles and the dramatic finish. GAA gold on TG4 and classic GAA on Eir Sport is a dose of reality for the misty eyed brigade harking back to the old days.
I think most peoples issue with the game these days is that it has gone more possession based and people want to see more man on man contests. So I think there are small tweaks can be made, but some of the ideas going around are crazy (rugby league!!)
Good small changes recently have been the 'mark' and having the kickout go beyond the 21. Both rules do not disrupt the game or fundamentally change it, are easy to ref and gently encourage teams to play a certain way (long kickouts, pressing kickouts... encouraging a contest for the ball)
I'd be open to other ideas like those. Small changes which to not fundamentally change the game
himachechy (Donegal) - Posts: 293 - 26/07/2018 13:17:01
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Just stop these ridiculous threads.
What do people want? I'm genuinely curious what people want. Do they want to go back to games of 20 years ago with their high scoring? Wait, aren't scoring averages up something crazy?
Do they want to go back to an era where teams weren't getting hockeyed and beat out the gate? Wait, weren't teams on the receiving end of numerous hammers in years gone by?
The game has evolved and will continue to evolve. The game doesn't need a rule change to fix it because it is not broken!!!!
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 26/07/2018 13:51:33
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Replying To gotmilk: "Just stop these ridiculous threads.
What do people want? I'm genuinely curious what people want. Do they want to go back to games of 20 years ago with their high scoring? Wait, aren't scoring averages up something crazy?
Do they want to go back to an era where teams weren't getting hockeyed and beat out the gate? Wait, weren't teams on the receiving end of numerous hammers in years gone by?
The game has evolved and will continue to evolve. The game doesn't need a rule change to fix it because it is not broken!!!!" Fix the gates !
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7360 - 26/07/2018 14:20:03
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Replying To gotmilk: "Just stop these ridiculous threads.
What do people want? I'm genuinely curious what people want. Do they want to go back to games of 20 years ago with their high scoring? Wait, aren't scoring averages up something crazy?
Do they want to go back to an era where teams weren't getting hockeyed and beat out the gate? Wait, weren't teams on the receiving end of numerous hammers in years gone by?
The game has evolved and will continue to evolve. The game doesn't need a rule change to fix it because it is not broken!!!!" Amen brother
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 26/07/2018 14:40:25
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The only thing currently wrong with the game of gaelic football is the inevitability of so many games as the gap widens between the counties.
The only change I would like to see is in the structure of the championship and not the game itself. Allow the game to develop and it will cycle through styles. The hurling has been a brilliant example this year. It has been a brilliant championship because the structure was changed. Maybe with fine tuning the Super 8's we will have the exciting championship we all want. Some of this years games haven't been too bad.
I don't think there is a county in Ireland that allows all the senior mens teams in the county to play for their senior championship. It's most likely divided into Senior, Intermediate and Junior yet here we are in the biggest championship of all allowing all teams to play for Sam. With the exception of Roscommon, all the teams in the Super 8 played Div 1 in 2018.
Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1671 - 26/07/2018 21:15:29
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Replying To legendzxix: "A set of 6 or anything like that is ridiculous. There needs to be solutions in terms of finding an appropriate level of competition going forward. The GAA have let the Railway Cup slip away when it should be the way forward for a higher level of competition that can bring the sport to a whole new level." Let them try to find a way of reducing the gap in intetcounty standards between top and bottom before they do that.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7360 - 26/07/2018 23:31:12
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Rule one.Four forwards must be inside 45 yard line at all time. Kickouts must be by 45 yard line. Think this would help make game more attractive again?
Harnan6 (Meath) - Posts: 32 - 27/07/2018 18:25:15
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Only one rule will make Football watchable again. I'm a former player and former ardent fan. The game is an embarrassment right now, I only watch really big games on tv - still go to my own county matches of course but more so out of support than loving the game any more.
Its been ruined by the hand-pass. We've lost all interest outside the diehard fans. Hurling and Rugby are far superior games. (To me, Soccer has just become so boring).
The hand-pass was not always in the game - it was brought in to reward fielders who caught a ball but got boxed in and then were too easily penalised, no space to kick, so not rewarded for winning the ball. The fact that hand-passing (i.e. throwing it most of the time) is now the primary means of progressing the ball forward shows how much of a contamination it has become. The solution.......
Hand-pass all day long if you like - but you can't hand-pass forward.
May seem drastic but its not. You can still have over-lapping play. But it one swoop it knocks out half the hand-passing, and forces teams to play longer balls and teams will develop tactics accordingly. No counting or anything like that, easy to officiate, sometimes borderline, so allow lateral perhaps, but not forward.
Game will be transformed from the absolute pile of nonsense it is currently
Solo_Run (Leitrim) - Posts: 209 - 29/07/2018 21:53:16
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Dimensionally and skills wise there's big differences but are there many games as similar to Gaelic football as Hurling? It's mindset may have gotten a smidgen defensive in the past 5 years or so but even then players go out and play with a freedom to play to win. That's the positive hurling culture and long may it continue. A lot of football teams seem to have a fear of losing culture, stop the other team scoring rather than attack as the best form of defence. Once that mindset is there changing rules won't make a huge difference. Coaches will still find ways to set up defensively even there was no hand passing only foot passing.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7360 - 30/07/2018 13:56:57
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