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Solutions To The Hand Pass In Gaelic Football? Or Traditionalist's Just Stop Whining!

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Tired of listening to commentators, co-commentators and analysts judging the way teams play. Canning and Dessie should be put to pasture for their performance at the end of the Dublin game. Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 16/07/2018 13:28:21 2122687 Link
Replying To Ban: "Tired of listening to commentators, co-commentators and analysts judging the way teams play. Canning and Dessie should be put to pasture for their performance at the end of the Dublin game." We can't blame teams for finding a winning formula within the rules. If we don't like the spectacle (i.e. a boring way to win), rules need to change to produce the desired football product. And, it is NOT easier said than done - it's as simple as not allowing the ball behind the 65, limiting the hand pass and requiring kick outs beyond the 45. The harder part is to get GAA rulemakers to know what they want - and more so - to have the courage to act. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2596 - 16/07/2018 13:52:34 2122708 Link
Too complicated imo. What about if you receive bal via handpass you must kick it? Simple to understand and not difficult for refs to enforce. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 16/07/2018 14:35:25 2122751 Link
Replying To gormdubhgorm: "That's a good idea actually, simple to enforce as well." In the mid-70's you could throw the ball into the net - was called a hand pass and that rule was changed. In AI seven-aside the changed the rules over 25 years ago so that you could not hand pass the ball backwards inside your own half and the same should be done in 15 -aside. Lateral and back passing is not good to watch, however I do not blame teams when it is allowed. Changing the rules would be good and it would not weaken the teams with best players. Something also need to be done to reduce the workload on the Ref. browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 16/07/2018 16:01:54 2122792 Link
How about simply just banning the hand pass altogether? tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1338 - 16/07/2018 16:17:19 2122804 Link
Or simply ban it from open play and only allow a hand pass when a player is being tackled? tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1338 - 16/07/2018 16:23:06 2122805 Link
In my post I should have said 'back passing (not hand passing) should not be allowed inside one's own half of field'. browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 16/07/2018 16:33:25 2122807 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "It's not the hand pass that's the problem. Most of Dublin's period of possession was backwards or sideways foot passing. I think a rule whereby if a team advances the ball into the opposite 45 they can't then play the ball back behind the 65 line. This would restrict the playing area and make it more feasible for the defensive team to press the team in possession." The problem with that is that in a situation like Saturday evening when one team is sitting back in the hope of a turnover and counter attack, then Dublin simply wouldn't enter the Donegal 45 at all. There was no need to so why would they? AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 16/07/2018 16:47:58 2122811 Link
The hand pass is a joke, i honestly believe that 90% of "hand passes" are illegal. Any oul flip of the hand and flick it off to your team mate is allowed, no clear striking action given. Constantly is allowed to happen leitrim4sam (Leitrim) - Posts: 644 - 16/07/2018 16:53:29 2122814 Link
In AI seven-aside the changed the rules over 25 years ago so that you could not hand pass the ball backwards inside your own half and the same should be done in 15 -aside. browncows (Meath) - Posts: 1791 - 16/07/2018 16:01:54 2122792 This is an excellent rule " A player receiving a backwards pass may not be in his own half when collecting the ball " lasertech (UK) - Posts: 129 - 16/07/2018 16:57:12 2122815 Link
Replying To lasertech: " In AI seven-aside the changed the rules over 25 years ago so that you could not hand pass the ball backwards inside your own half and the same should be done in 15 -aside. browncows (Meath) - Posts: 1791 - 16/07/2018 16:01:54 2122792 This is an excellent rule " A player receiving a backwards pass may not be in his own half when collecting the ball "" that would cut out a lot of it for sure, not a bad idea arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 16/07/2018 17:18:35 2122826 Link
I like Browncows idea although it would be much more difficult to ref it in a 15 a side game, particularly when you get a lot of players and much of the action happening in the middle third of the pitch. On a couple of occasions yesterday I saw Kerry forwards passing the ball back but passing it to Galway players. I think the hand-pass has a place in the game and should not be banned. The use of the hand-pass improves players' spacial awareness and movement but requires a lot of concentration. However, what I really hate to see is young U 10 players, in the half-time games continually trying to hand-pass the ball - now that should be banned. neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 16/07/2018 17:18:44 2122827 Link
Ban backward passing between the 2 45's, would prevent teams running down clock = good. But it would also mean every team would revert to 15 men inside their own 45 because eventually the attacking team will have to play ball inside that 45 and would then be gobbled up. Need a rule that stops all players inside own 45 too, but too difficult to referee at club level I would imagine. It's going to take some tactical genius to come up with a new plan to negate the benefits of 15 men behind the ball to get rid of the tactic I feel. Dermoot (Tyrone) - Posts: 46 - 16/07/2018 21:54:57 2122928 Link
Dont understand why you would bring in rules to combat something just cause you dont like it. Ridiculous carry on. THE GAME IS FINE AS IT IS, LEAVE IT waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 16/07/2018 22:46:52 2122948 Link
Would this work ? - Divide the pitch into 3 zones - defensive (behind own 45), midfield (between both 45s) and attacking (beyond opponent's 45). A team is allowed two plays of any kind (incl. passes by foot, hand and even backwards) in its defensive and midfield zones - BUT, on the 3rd play, MUST kick (or solo) into the next zone or beyond. in the 3rd zone (attacking) - there is no longer a limit on passing - the only restriction is - the ball cannot cross the 45 backwards. Ref only needs to count to 3 in 1st and 2nd zones - DOH, RAY and team must kick out (or solo) of zone on ME. This restriction brings new strategy - does a team still go for the short kick out (allowed) or go directly over the 45 from the kick out ? You could tweak this - kick on 4th possession etc - I just want to keep the count simple. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2596 - 16/07/2018 23:05:23 2122955 Link
Some ridiculous and utterly unenforceable suggestions going on here, and all coming about because Dublin wisely didn't play into the stultifying gameplan that had been beaten into Donegal by Bonner and his coaches. Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 382 - 17/07/2018 08:08:58 2122989 Link
Replying To AHP: "The problem with that is that in a situation like Saturday evening when one team is sitting back in the hope of a turnover and counter attack, then Dublin simply wouldn't enter the Donegal 45 at all. There was no need to so why would they?" I don't think that's what would happen, I think a defensive team would come out of their 45 to try and force the attacking team into it and swarm them once they're in there. But because they've come out, there'll be more space to exploit within that 45 if the attacking team are quick enough and good enough (which I've no doubt Dublin are). You saw it once or twice on Saturday when Donegal did push up a bit and try and tackle the Dubs, I think it was Flynn's last point where it happened and there was a turn of pace and a bit of room for a shot on goal. But this is why I'd like to see it trialled at least, because teams will adapt in different ways to new rules. It could change the type of player you need for example, with more pace to get back into defensive shape and more of a focus on good tackling technique (though the tackle is probably the biggest area of the game that I think needs looked at). Although in general I don't have an issue with what happened on Saturday, it's up to the team chasing the game to come out but sometimes that's easier said than done. It's just another hysteria over nothing really. JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 17/07/2018 09:30:04 2123001 Link
Replying To waynoI: "Dont understand why you would bring in rules to combat something just cause you dont like it. Ridiculous carry on. THE GAME IS FINE AS IT IS, LEAVE IT" Yes my thought as well. its up to other teams to come with a plan to counter it. Just leave the game alone. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 17/07/2018 10:21:19 2123030 Link
Behind own 45 - Two plays (by foot, hand or even backwards), then kick or solo to between 45s. Between 45s - Two plays (by foot, hand or even backwards), then kick or solo to beyond opponent's 45. Beyond other 45 - Unlimited plays but ball cannot cross back over 45. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2596 - 17/07/2018 11:16:38 2123061 Link
The game is not fine to watch and many like myself have said that rules needs to be changed as we go along in time (as happens in other sports). Back passing all over the pitch especially in one's own half of pitch is difficult to watch and it has nothing to do with any particular team- this could be monitored by lines men who have very little to do during a game -may keep some of them from going to sleep. The black card rule is a joke and the Ref has to be a mind reader to apply it correctly. New rules should be written in a way that it is easier to Ref. browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 17/07/2018 11:41:42 2123068 Link