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All-Ireland Hurling Preliminary Quarter-Finals

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Replying To Skippy2:  "Thanks for spelling it out for us. 3 game's no wins!!! God the Tipp lads are not even complaining. Maybe you are just getting nervous about your own county being in a similar position in the next couple of years. We all know how they struggled for the last 10 years and probably will again now that the davy factor is wearing off."
i hope the referee protects our players better than he did the likes of neil mcmanus.
god knows what some players will try to do to rory o connor,conor mcdonald,etc.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 2526 - 12/06/2018 09:30:20    2110389

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Replying To 890202:  "So beating kerry, Meath,, laois and Westmeath means you deserve to progress further in the championship than a team capable of drawing with Cork, waterford and losing to Clare by 2 points?"
Can't you see/understand that there is a developmental aspect to these structures which surely is a good thing.

The McDonagh Cup has been a great competition with most games being very close and fiercely competitive. Carlow have never had a succession of such intensive matches and at the right time of year as well.

If the incentive of automatic promotion for the winners and also the back door entry to McCarthy Cup for the finalists wasn't there I have no doubt the McDonagh Cup wouldn't have been the success it has been. Every county in it has raised their game and are better for it. That helps equip the winners to take the step up next year. At the moment there are only 9 counties truly competitive in the Mccarthy Cup. This structure could quite conceivably see that rise to 12 in less than 5 years.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1029 - 12/06/2018 09:44:52    2110397

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Replying To 890202:  "So beating kerry, Meath,, laois and Westmeath means you deserve to progress further in the championship than a team capable of drawing with Cork, waterford and losing to Clare by 2 points?"
It received big support at congress. It's a massive opportunity for these counties to get a high profile home game. Congress had already agreed to exclude 4th and 5th from the provinces. The motion that passed was then inclusive of the top two in the McDonagh Cup. It was the first time that congress properly held out an olive branch to this middle tier. The Hurling Development Committee were very supportive of it.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 5392 - 12/06/2018 14:11:23    2110524

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Replying To 890202:  "Only the winners of the Joe McDonagh cup should advance. There should not be 40% of the teams (2 out of 5, Meath were thrown in for 1 year only to make 6) in a 2nd tier competition qualifying for a 1st tier competition, when only 60% of the 1st tier qualify.
Both 4th placed teams in Leinster and Munster should play each other with the winner going to the Preliminary quarter finals along with 3rd in Munster and Leinster and the winner of the McDonagh Cup.

For example this year that would involve a double header of Carlow vs Westmeath, and Tipp vs Dublin, with winners of both qualifying for preliminary quarter finals against Wexford and 3rd in Munster"
The football community were over the moon when Fermanagh beat Monaghan, Giving the two finalists in the JMcD Cup a chance to replicate Fermanagh's win is much better than giving Tipp another chance to kick start their season.

Brian_Coyote (Antrim) - Posts: 307 - 12/06/2018 14:50:43    2110552

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "I went to university with a guy that didn't know Carlow was a county. He thought it was in Kildare.!

PeggyShippen (Limerick) - Posts: 224 - 11/06/2018 18:15:44


Was he from Ireland, if so from where?"
Yeah he was from Cork. Clever guy too, an accountant too. Alot of people not into GAA don't know much about other counties especially small ones. Shur Cork is practically a country of its own.
I always had a huge interest in hurling and Geography so it was so shocking and funny at the same time. He reckoned Carlow was a town in Kildare but was shocked to find out it was a county..

PeggyShippen (Limerick) - Posts: 270 - 12/06/2018 15:05:12    2110566

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Replying To Onion Breath:  "Carlow and Westmeath won't be "drawn"against Wexford or the third placed team in Munster. The winners of the McDonagh will play the third in Munster with the runners up getting Wexford. Ties to be played the following Saturday after the McDonagh final which doesn't leave the winners any time for celebrating. Still, it's a great set up now."
Given the (current) competitiveness of Munster (where all 5 can beat each other) compared to Leinsters situation, the winners of the Joe McDonagh Cup should have played 3rd place team in Leinster, with the runner up getting the 3rd place team from Munster.

Miami305 (Galway) - Posts: 29 - 12/06/2018 16:56:26    2110613

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Replying To Miami305:  "Given the (current) competitiveness of Munster (where all 5 can beat each other) compared to Leinsters situation, the winners of the Joe McDonagh Cup should have played 3rd place team in Leinster, with the runner up getting the 3rd place team from Munster."
Wexford would be as tough a game, if not tougher, than Clare or Cork.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 3012 - 12/06/2018 17:06:10    2110620

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Wexford would be as tough a game, if not tougher, than Clare or Cork."
I'm not so sure. Id like to say yes as I was hoping Wexford were on the rise and would progress this year... but based on Wexford's last two championship performances against Galway, they lost both games by 9 points, against the All-Ireland champions, which is a good yard stick. In Munster by comparison, the two teams who haven't even come in the top 3, Tipp and Waterford, lost their games to Galway by 1 and 3 points respectively.

Miami305 (Galway) - Posts: 29 - 12/06/2018 17:17:19    2110626

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Replying To Miami305:  "I'm not so sure. Id like to say yes as I was hoping Wexford were on the rise and would progress this year... but based on Wexford's last two championship performances against Galway, they lost both games by 9 points, against the All-Ireland champions, which is a good yard stick. In Munster by comparison, the two teams who haven't even come in the top 3, Tipp and Waterford, lost their games to Galway by 1 and 3 points respectively."
But Tipp and Waterford have both fallen way back this year!
Wexford haven't made the progress many thought they would, but they're no worse than they were last year.

They'll beat whoever they meet in the preliminary 1/4 final (as will the Munster 3rd place team) so it's a bit of a moot point.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 3012 - 12/06/2018 18:02:17    2110653

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There has been a bit of comment in the print media about the lack of tv coverage for the McDonagh Cup. It's a new competition. It will take time to become established. It's only the first year of three for this trial period. It'll take a shock result by a McDonagh Cup finalist against a provincial third placed team to give the competition a real boost.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 5392 - 12/06/2018 19:20:17    2110688

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Replying To cavanman47:  "But Tipp and Waterford have both fallen way back this year!
Wexford haven't made the progress many thought they would, but they're no worse than they were last year.

They'll beat whoever they meet in the preliminary 1/4 final (as will the Munster 3rd place team) so it's a bit of a moot point."
Yeah agree, moot point. Wexford and third place in Munster will beat whichever MacDonagh team they meet.

Galway are ahead of the bunch as of now and you could throw a blanket over Cork/Clare/Limerick/Wexford/Kilkenny.

county man (Limerick) - Posts: 1027 - 12/06/2018 22:59:49    2110818

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Replying To county man:  "Yeah agree, moot point. Wexford and third place in Munster will beat whichever MacDonagh team they meet.

Galway are ahead of the bunch as of now and you could throw a blanket over Cork/Clare/Limerick/Wexford/Kilkenny."
There's a lot of negativity about the Mcdonagh cup from one particular county on here. Is that a bit of insecurity????. They certainly didn't like it much when we beat their minors three years ago.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 514 - 13/06/2018 07:36:20    2110848

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Replying To Miami305:  "Given the (current) competitiveness of Munster (where all 5 can beat each other) compared to Leinsters situation, the winners of the Joe McDonagh Cup should have played 3rd place team in Leinster, with the runner up getting the 3rd place team from Munster."
well there is only 1 also-ran in leinster too,dublin came 4th and lost to wexford/kilkenny/galway by a combined 5 points.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 2526 - 13/06/2018 09:10:32    2110872

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Replying To jobber:  "There's a lot of negativity about the Mcdonagh cup from one particular county on here. Is that a bit of insecurity????. They certainly didn't like it much when we beat their minors three years ago."
You're probably talking about Wexford and two years ago Westmeath would have put it up to them, but Wexford have improved significantly in the last 2 years whereas Westmeath haven't.

It would be a huge shock if Westmeath or Carlow beat Wexford now.

county man (Limerick) - Posts: 1027 - 13/06/2018 21:39:33    2111278

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Carlow, Westmeath, Kerry etc. have to start claiming big scalps to get more recognition and attention. The Ireland cricket team made headlines on the park through results and performances.

It's no different to any other sports code or team. The McDonagh Cup has seen great games within the confines of the level of those counties ranked 11 to 16. Teams from this tier have to close the gap to the top 8 for more respect.

Glass ceilings in the past weren't helpful. These have thankfully been removed.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 5392 - 13/06/2018 23:16:56    2111341

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Replying To 890202:  "Only the winners of the Joe McDonagh cup should advance. There should not be 40% of the teams (2 out of 5, Meath were thrown in for 1 year only to make 6) in a 2nd tier competition qualifying for a 1st tier competition, when only 60% of the 1st tier qualify.
Both 4th placed teams in Leinster and Munster should play each other with the winner going to the Preliminary quarter finals along with 3rd in Munster and Leinster and the winner of the McDonagh Cup.

For example this year that would involve a double header of Carlow vs Westmeath, and Tipp vs Dublin, with winners of both qualifying for preliminary quarter finals against Wexford and 3rd in Munster"
With both 4ths in - why play the groups at all ?

omahant (USA) - Posts: 1179 - 14/06/2018 11:31:22    2111432

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