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Honestly thought it was only a yellow card.

When is a late shoulder ever a red card?

kevdog (Westmeath) - Posts: 113 - 11/06/2018 22:00:41    2110265

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Replying To kevdog:  "Honestly thought it was only a yellow card.

When is a late shoulder ever a red card?"
When the player is airborne, clearly you have no clue of the dangers involved in such a tackle, very few team sports allow it. It is dangerous, reckless

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 3616 - 11/06/2018 22:20:34    2110279

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Replying To kevdog:  "Honestly thought it was only a yellow card.

When is a late shoulder ever a red card?"
obviously the post is just to get a reaction - so i will oblige - my initial reaction was yellow card, would be yellow anywhere else on pitch, shoulder challenge a tad late, no fist raised, no elbow, no knee, hope cluxton isn't out for long, and although we play them next, think the longford player should have the red card rescinded,

NorthKildare (Kildare) - Posts: 157 - 11/06/2018 22:25:14    2110283

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Replying To MillerX:  "You have commented.....Deegan did his duty of course and then ignored Cooper's thump on the Longford forward. So on balance the referee was harder on the underdog as always."
I agree and It'l be interesting to see what refs the dubs get for the rest of the championship.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 7178 - 11/06/2018 22:29:51    2110291

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5.12 To deliberately collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play.
Sanction: Black Card
5.17 To behave in any way which is dangerous to an opponent
Sanction: Red Card
5.27 To inflict an injury recklessly on an opponent by means other than those stated above (Kick/Stamp/Punch)

He got a red and deserved it

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 3616 - 11/06/2018 22:55:19    2110313

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I hope Cluxton was not seriously and makes a quick recovery. BTW, did Dublin use a 'blood sub.' to replace him?

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1180 - 11/06/2018 23:29:22    2110332

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Replying To NorthKildare:  "obviously the post is just to get a reaction - so i will oblige - my initial reaction was yellow card, would be yellow anywhere else on pitch, shoulder challenge a tad late, no fist raised, no elbow, no knee, hope cluxton isn't out for long, and although we play them next, think the longford player should have the red card rescinded,"
No chance of getting it rescinded and rightly so. You can't plough into a guy in mid air and get away with it. It's a straight red card and suspension.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 545 - 11/06/2018 23:34:01    2110334

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Replying To Floops:  "no comparison between the 2 incidents. The ball was there for jc to go for. Good defending end of."
Correct.- Coopers tackle should have been punished with a straight red. The Longford full forward went in with a late shoulder charge while Cooper went in with an elbow and fist into the guys jaw-end off!!

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 1780 - 12/06/2018 00:43:35    2110343

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Replying To Floops:  "no comparison between the 2 incidents. The ball was there for jc to go for. Good defending end of."
Lol Cooper gave the lad a sneaky smack in the face, knew exactly what he was doing.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 5836 - 12/06/2018 04:28:47    2110351

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Replying To browncows:  "Correct.- Coopers tackle should have been punished with a straight red. The Longford full forward went in with a late shoulder charge while Cooper went in with an elbow and fist into the guys jaw-end off!!"
Ha. Late shoulder charge with the ball having been played away, the target in the air and defenceless and the shoulder making contact with the target's ribs and chest. I'm guessing you never played the game if you think that's a shoulder within the definition of the rules. As Dolan said, a very dangerous tackle. Straight red all day long.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 3105 - 12/06/2018 08:09:18    2110365

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it was a red card for mcgivney but don't believe he meant to injure cluxton. leave a mark on him or maybe ruffle Stephens feathers but to land the fella in hospital ? I don't believe he would have meant that.

it's totally illogical to think a fella who is playing in croke park in front of almost 40000 people, who would have dreamed of playing there as a young lad, who knows the chance doesn't come round very often, playing the biggest and greatest dublin team of all time, a mammoth challenge that's hard enough 15 on 15, would intentionally give his team a man short making an already tough task become practically impossible by getying purposely sent off for a reckless premeditated tackle on a key dublin player. he achieves nothing personally and collectively by purposely going out to injure a fella player.

for me, he was late and reckless. And it was a red, but don't believe for a second he intended to leave cluxton in the mater.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 12647 - 12/06/2018 10:18:56    2110415

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Replying To arock:  "5.12 To deliberately collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play.
Sanction: Black Card
5.17 To behave in any way which is dangerous to an opponent
Sanction: Red Card
5.27 To inflict an injury recklessly on an opponent by means other than those stated above (Kick/Stamp/Punch)

He got a red and deserved it"
So cooper should have got a red card so according to that.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 7178 - 12/06/2018 10:41:51    2110419

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Replying To arock:  "5.12 To deliberately collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play.
Sanction: Black Card
5.17 To behave in any way which is dangerous to an opponent
Sanction: Red Card
5.27 To inflict an injury recklessly on an opponent by means other than those stated above (Kick/Stamp/Punch)

He got a red and deserved it"
Presume you're referring to 5.17 then?

If that was the case, then a high tackle, shoulder to the chest/back, late tackle etc (all of which are dangerous) merit a red card.

There must be more then 5.12, 5.17 and 5.27 that deals with this.

kevdog (Westmeath) - Posts: 113 - 12/06/2018 10:49:07    2110423

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I notice Clondalkin hasn't bothered adding anything further. Surely not a case of wind them up and watch them go is it?

the_walls (Mayo) - Posts: 263 - 12/06/2018 10:56:38    2110429

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Replying To the_walls:  "I notice Clondalkin hasn't bothered adding anything further. Surely not a case of wind them up and watch them go is it?"
He might claim that now but I doubt it. His posts are often hilarious, like the time he was outraged at ROC going travelling, he couldn't believe he was giving up the beloved blue jersey.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 5836 - 12/06/2018 11:26:36    2110455

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Mcgivney desrved a red, dangerous challenge that could have badly hurt cluxton
Cooper deserved a red.

There is nothing else to say on this, anyone else saying different needs their head examined.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4768 - 12/06/2018 12:57:41    2110493

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Agree with gotmilk.Both red card offences.

Barnowl94 (Galway) - Posts: 2938 - 12/06/2018 13:03:53    2110499

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Done and dusted.

I hope Cluxton takes his time and that Evan Comerford gets his start.

I'd actually consider dropping Cooper for final.

I watched it back. It was deliberate alright and no harm discipling him. He could have easily been off and it's not on.

The cover is there to replace him and give him something to think about.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 18167 - 12/06/2018 13:10:53    2110506

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Done and dusted.

I hope Cluxton takes his time and that Evan Comerford gets his start.

I'd actually consider dropping Cooper for final.

I watched it back. It was deliberate alright and no harm discipling him. He could have easily been off and it's not on.

The cover is there to replace him and give him something to think about."
Ive heard rumors about on young master Cooper that the incident is going to be under review by Central Competitions Control Committee.

Lets see.

Good old uncle Pat and his rule book.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 1411 - 12/06/2018 14:54:36    2110556

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Well unfortunately he has no one to blame but himself.

He could have still put in a strong challenge without following through like that.

He could have seriously hurt the fella similar to what Diarmuid OConnor did which let's be honest was one very unsavory incident . Just mindless and unnecessary.

You can be tough without resorting to the sort of tackles that could fracture a cheekbone or eye socket.

Not sure Cooper put the same sort of force into it but it doesn't take much to do plenty of damage around the eye.

I looked at it now a couple of times. It's a one game ban for me and then no harm having him miss another one. We've plenty of options to cover.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 18167 - 12/06/2018 16:51:56    2110611

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