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Replying To extranjero: "I'd say when the refurbishments/rebuilds were done on a lot of grounds recently, it was on the basis you might get 1 big championship game at home every 3/4 years, if you're lucky. With round-robins introduced in hurling, and super 8s in football (and who knows where that'll lead), it wouldn't be surprising in the next few years to see counties developing their home stadiums a bit better to maximize potential earnings." I would agree, although in the case of Semple it's the second biggest ground outside of Croker and for a ground of such standing it really is a long long way off the standard it should be at. Refurbishing old structures is never the ideal solution and the new PUC beats it up a stick being honest, won't be l My before the planners are back about Thurles again methinks Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 18/06/2018 22:40:31 2112925 Link
Replying To county man: "Couldn't agree more and you're spot on about the Gaelic Grounds too...." No real slight on the Gaelic Grounds now, I like what they done there but just when you spend that much money why not put a roof on the stand, it would make such a difference, I know they want to do it and I would assume it was designed and built that a roof could be added quite easily and the GAA should look at projects like that and prioritise them now which would make a real difference to spectator comfort without a major rebuild Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 18/06/2018 23:06:27 2112936 Link
Replying To county man: "Nope, Nou Camp's tiering gradient wouldn't be allowed in Ireland !! Just finish the stadium they have. A small county is allowed to have terracing behind the goals too..." Hahaha, you're probably right! I'd say the stadium is pretty much as finished as it needs to, or will be. It'd probably cost into the millions to build another terrace, and the extra capacity would be needed once every 10+ years anyway? Why not put that money elsewhere, player development for example (esp. underage). The ground as it is, it's more than adequate. extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 18/06/2018 23:40:36 2112940 Link
people talk about putting terraces behind the goals in o connor park - why?i have never seen the stand full let alone the terrace. same with gaelic grounds-i could count on 1 hand the amount of times i have seen that openside full or even anything other than sparsely full. a roof costs a lot of money,one without pillars costs a lot more. i could see why limerick didnt bother.they have 1 covered stand,that is enough for most games played in limerick. no point building stuff for the sake of it and how it looks on tv. re waterford,they should be allowed play their home games in thurles/kilkenny if they want.it is unfair that they dont have a ground to at least somewhat call a home advantage. perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 19/06/2018 09:01:01 2112962 Link
Replying To Tadhgmacda: "Isn't the problem that a perimeter wall on Keanes road was knocked making access unsafe thus reducing capacity further? Why you would knock a perimeter wall this year is beyond me but that's what happened I believe. Regarding capacity, the venue must be big enough to house all season ticket holders for both counties playing. I think they are capped at 5k per county but I'm not aware of what each county has sold." I understand some season ticket holders were not accommodated in Ennis last Sunday Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4322 - 19/06/2018 22:23:42 2113217 Link
Replying To Pinkie: "You can't play Munster hurling championship games outside Munster. Remember when tourists think of Ireland the first thing they think of is the Munster hurling championship. That Kilkenny air would be to the detriment of the game. My point re Offaly above was that complaining over something 20 years later than the problem is locking the door when the horse has bolted" We play Leinster games outside Leinster, if counties don't bother with the required facilites then tough no right to complain if they have no home games. Most counties try to upgrade county grounds, ironically Dublin have been held back in this area by the use of Croke Park. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 19/06/2018 22:39:35 2113221 Link
Replying To Richieq: "No real slight on the Gaelic Grounds now, I like what they done there but just when you spend that much money why not put a roof on the stand, it would make such a difference, I know they want to do it and I would assume it was designed and built that a roof could be added quite easily and the GAA should look at projects like that and prioritise them now which would make a real difference to spectator comfort without a major rebuild" It's not that great a rebuild. The Mackey stand has poor viewing and needs to be knocked to be honest. It's 88 I think since that was built. The terraces are good and the 'open stand is good. I don't think roofing it is as big an issue as it's made out. As bad as our summer's can be, for 3 or 4 big matches a year..it's not worth the money to roof it. Alot if the big American college stadiums are open aswell. Thurles is disappointing.The old and new stands could have been redone way better. I disagree with all the alcohol sales points in there aswell especially with Ireland's dysfunctional relationship with drink. That Rubicon should have been left. Cusack Park...a disaster. Stand should be demolished. Toilets make the elderly and young cry. They've very little room in there but they haven't even tarmaced behind the terraces PeggyShippen (Limerick) - Posts: 300 - 20/06/2018 10:03:59 2113286 Link
This again is a typical GAA screw up. The decision to change the format of the championship should not have taken place until all teams were on the same level regards home and away games irrespective of who's fault grounds were not ready. In fact if a county was not ready they should have the right to veto any such decision under a rule that any change has to be fair and equal for all. Also the same is true of hawk eye. Games are played under different rules depending on the venue. Are the people who vote on these things stupid. I don't believe they are but do not care about fairness as long as the interests of the counties at the top are protected. That plus the counties who are pro football not caring and visa versa. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2663 - 20/06/2018 13:35:17 2113347 Link
By that logic we couldn't move forward in Munster with a new format until Waterfords terrible home stadium is dragged into the 21st century. That's un fair to everyone else. The plans for the new 16000 capacity Walsh Park are decidedly underwhelming. Too low a capacity for Munster number 1. We saw Cusack Park being nowhere near big enough last Sunday and that's got a 19000 capacity . It won't be ready for 2 years I would bet...so why not go back and make it 20000 anyway... PeggyShippen (Limerick) - Posts: 300 - 20/06/2018 15:02:37 2113367 Link
Replying To PeggyShippen: "By that logic we couldn't move forward in Munster with a new format until Waterfords terrible home stadium is dragged into the 21st century. That's un fair to everyone else. The plans for the new 16000 capacity Walsh Park are decidedly underwhelming. Too low a capacity for Munster number 1. We saw Cusack Park being nowhere near big enough last Sunday and that's got a 19000 capacity . It won't be ready for 2 years I would bet...so why not go back and make it 20000 anyway..." Dead right the format should not go forward until Waterford were ready. How is that unfair to everyone else ? Everyone had the same rights on the existing system. One loss you went to the qualifiers. The very least could have been was to say that Waterford can play their homes at a venue of their choice. I have no doubt they would say Thurles to do this Saturday games could be used to avoid clashes with Tipps home games. No the system had to twice penalize us with no home games and four straight games like Tipp, while others got a break week. How fair is all that sh-t if you want to talk about fair. You are right it will not be ready for two years because the planning is not even approved yet. So the answer is to continue to penalize our players and supporters. I know that is o.k. with the Deise haters. What did we do to deserve all the negativity I would like to know? Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2663 - 20/06/2018 18:37:52 2113421 Link
Replying To Canuck: "This again is a typical GAA screw up. The decision to change the format of the championship should not have taken place until all teams were on the same level regards home and away games irrespective of who's fault grounds were not ready. In fact if a county was not ready they should have the right to veto any such decision under a rule that any change has to be fair and equal for all. Also the same is true of hawk eye. Games are played under different rules depending on the venue. Are the people who vote on these things stupid. I don't believe they are but do not care about fairness as long as the interests of the counties at the top are protected. That plus the counties who are pro football not caring and visa versa." This is a Waterford Country Board screw up. No ones else. LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2488 - 21/06/2018 03:19:50 2113486 Link
Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "This is a Waterford Country Board screw up. No ones else." The Waterford County board did not change the format of the championship. You seem to have some sort of an understanding problem. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2663 - 21/06/2018 12:08:04 2113544 Link
Replying To Canuck: "Dead right the format should not go forward until Waterford were ready. How is that unfair to everyone else ? Everyone had the same rights on the existing system. One loss you went to the qualifiers. The very least could have been was to say that Waterford can play their homes at a venue of their choice. I have no doubt they would say Thurles to do this Saturday games could be used to avoid clashes with Tipps home games. No the system had to twice penalize us with no home games and four straight games like Tipp, while others got a break week. How fair is all that sh-t if you want to talk about fair. You are right it will not be ready for two years because the planning is not even approved yet. So the answer is to continue to penalize our players and supporters. I know that is o.k. with the Deise haters. What did we do to deserve all the negativity I would like to know?" Do you know how many home games Galway had last year as they won the All-Ireland? Zero. In terms of a fair playing field, the format had to go ahead. Waterford should long since had a suitable venue in place to host home games (which they haven't in Munster since god knows when?) Instead the county board has two sub-standard venues in place in Fraher Field and Walsh Park. You only have to read the google reviews on Walsh Park to see its limitations. Miami305 (Galway) - Posts: 147 - 21/06/2018 13:08:59 2113561 Link
Replying To Miami305: "Do you know how many home games Galway had last year as they won the All-Ireland? Zero. In terms of a fair playing field, the format had to go ahead. Waterford should long since had a suitable venue in place to host home games (which they haven't in Munster since god knows when?) Instead the county board has two sub-standard venues in place in Fraher Field and Walsh Park. You only have to read the google reviews on Walsh Park to see its limitations." Neither did anyone else except counties who had arrangements with each other. Have you been away or something. The home and away series started this season. It was the Leinster teams that had their foot on yere neck as the saw ye as a Connaught team with no rights in their provence. Rightly or wrongly. Waterford are a Munster team and should have the same rights as the other Munster counties. With regards Walsh Park and Fraher Field there is a lot of comments from people like you outside the county who do not know all the facts and the other mitigating circumstances as well as the county board's neglect. The GAA had a responsibility before making changes to the Munster Championship to ensure that all counties had equal opportunities. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2663 - 21/06/2018 22:30:56 2113659 Link
Replying To Canuck: "The Waterford County board did not change the format of the championship. You seem to have some sort of an understanding problem." I think Lohan is right Canuck. The format change caught the county board ou with their pants down. Kilkenny county board are continuously improving Nowlan park and they fixed the stand where the roof blew off in the last two years. Waterford county board should want to have a nice ground anyway. Tipp and Limerick have upgraded their grounds in the last 10 years and Cork have built a beautiful new stadium. Obviously Cusack park is up to scratch too. Waterford were the only one of the 10 who had to concede home ground advantage. I hope the upgraded Walsh park will be nice. It's a pity that the city missed out on the tourist revenue two home games would have brought. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 22/06/2018 05:49:25 2113683 Link
In fairness to Waterford, this time last year they had a county ground that was fine. Not great but it did it's job in terms of League games and county championships. Then the goalposts were changed and suddenly having an inter-county championship worthy ground became a necessity when it hadn't been previously. A decent home venue is now a necessity for all hurling counties. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13711 - 22/06/2018 08:04:05 2113686 Link
Replying To MesAmis: "In fairness to Waterford, this time last year they had a county ground that was fine. Not great but it did it's job in terms of League games and county championships. Then the goalposts were changed and suddenly having an inter-county championship worthy ground became a necessity when it hadn't been previously. A decent home venue is now a necessity for all hurling counties." Thank you MesAmis. Exactly right. We deserved a heads up long before any change came up and the change should have been only possible if all had equal opportunity. To add insult to injury it was dictated where we could play our home games while scrambling to meet the requirements. The begrudgers on here are quiet happy if this unfairness continues next year. Also we have all these experts outside our county who know what Waterford didn't do, what the should have done and now what they need to do. We are not a big county and the supporters have been putting their money where their mouths are with raffles, fund raising events, travelling away from home etc. I have no doubt the same people will be whining about us when Walsh Park is completed. Too hard to get across the river. Too far south, not enough parking and so on. . Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2663 - 22/06/2018 22:14:07 2113816 Link
After what has transpired with Kildare and the GAA Waterford need to insist that their home games are played in Fraher Field next year. It has 9,000 capacity also and has held an All-Ireland senior final as well as many under 21 finals. Waterford need to concern itself with it's own supporters and their rights. Tough sh-t if there are no tickets for the opposition. This all was the making of the GAA, Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2663 - 27/06/2018 13:42:09 2115955 Link
So Waterford weren't let play "home" matches in Nowlan Park because it's in Leinster and yet the Leinster final replay is going to Thurles!!! You could not make this up I swear...... Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 01/07/2018 18:31:39 2117318 Link
Replying To Richieq: "So Waterford weren't let play "home" matches in Nowlan Park because it's in Leinster and yet the Leinster final replay is going to Thurles!!! You could not make this up I swear......" Was that a Munster Council decisions Central Council? joeteor (Donegal) - Posts: 218 - 01/07/2018 18:49:05 2117323 Link