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Monaghan For AI??

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Replying To mayotyroneman:  "so what have kerry actually done to prove their worth at a higher ranking...monaghan had a way better league, and to be honest the quality of opposition in munster has been pathetic...kerry yet to prove themselves and while little between them and monaghan, monaghan edge the third ranked team at the moment"
If Kerry are not contenders then IMO Dublin have already won the AI. There's no way you can say Galway, Monaghan or anyone else are ahead of them to challenge Dublin. For a start Kerry are already in the Super 8. Monaghan are not yet. Galway are not a proven Croke Park championship team yet. Kerry put them away with little fuss last year. They beat Dublin in a league final last year. They have also improved since last year and will be all guns blazing. They waltzed through Munster with no fuss this year and with their talent if they click there's not many to match them outside Dublin. You can run down Munster football if you like but you may find in your next match that the opposition there might be slightly better than pathetic.

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 02/07/2018 17:35:38    2117830

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Let's just take it game by game, steady march, We have to get to Super 8s first. Let's get past Laois first.

OrielAbu (Monaghan) - Posts: 21 - 02/07/2018 17:48:04    2117836

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Replying To Hardtimes:  "If Kerry are not contenders then IMO Dublin have already won the AI. There's no way you can say Galway, Monaghan or anyone else are ahead of them to challenge Dublin. For a start Kerry are already in the Super 8. Monaghan are not yet. Galway are not a proven Croke Park championship team yet. Kerry put them away with little fuss last year. They beat Dublin in a league final last year. They have also improved since last year and will be all guns blazing. They waltzed through Munster with no fuss this year and with their talent if they click there's not many to match them outside Dublin. You can run down Munster football if you like but you may find in your next match that the opposition there might be slightly better than pathetic."
so you are basing your argument of kerry strengths on what they did last year and yet you leave out the trimming that mayo handed out to them last year...then add in that they have had to introduce a lot of inexperienced young players who lets face had a very poor league run this year where they were beat by monaghan...yes monaghan, galway (who you completely rule out), and get a good beating by both tyrone and dublin..you state that their arrival already in the super 8 is good enough to be contenders..(based on handing out beatings to two average div 2 teams?)...so what is the basis for your argument that they have improved this year...beating clare and cork?...and based on all that there's nothing to match them outside of dublin..
they may well yet make a semi-final, but lets see how they manage against galway and monaghan, two teams that beat them in this years league, so they have a lot to prove yet.

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 05/07/2018 18:49:33    2118898

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Replying To mayotyroneman:  "so you are basing your argument of kerry strengths on what they did last year and yet you leave out the trimming that mayo handed out to them last year...then add in that they have had to introduce a lot of inexperienced young players who lets face had a very poor league run this year where they were beat by monaghan...yes monaghan, galway (who you completely rule out), and get a good beating by both tyrone and dublin..you state that their arrival already in the super 8 is good enough to be contenders..(based on handing out beatings to two average div 2 teams?)...so what is the basis for your argument that they have improved this year...beating clare and cork?...and based on all that there's nothing to match them outside of dublin..
they may well yet make a semi-final, but lets see how they manage against galway and monaghan, two teams that beat them in this years league, so they have a lot to prove yet."
You're putting a serious amount of faith into league football. That's not where the barometer is at. We beat Mayo last year in Castlebar but there is no way we would live with them in CP during the summer. I'd say Kerry are quite happy with their league. Won first couple of games and could afford to give plenty of the young guns game time thereafter. They are much stronger up front this year IMO, an area which let them down against Mayo last year in the replay. Where did I say there is nothing to match them outside Dublin? I said they are head of the chasing pack. When is the last time Galway or Monaghan won a big championship game in Croke Park? Kerry do it regularly, transition or not. If they are the ones with a lot to prove then God help the rest.

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 06/07/2018 13:54:31    2119130

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Replying To Hardtimes:  "You're putting a serious amount of faith into league football. That's not where the barometer is at. We beat Mayo last year in Castlebar but there is no way we would live with them in CP during the summer. I'd say Kerry are quite happy with their league. Won first couple of games and could afford to give plenty of the young guns game time thereafter. They are much stronger up front this year IMO, an area which let them down against Mayo last year in the replay. Where did I say there is nothing to match them outside Dublin? I said they are head of the chasing pack. When is the last time Galway or Monaghan won a big championship game in Croke Park? Kerry do it regularly, transition or not. If they are the ones with a lot to prove then God help the rest."
"They waltzed through Munster with no fuss this year and with their talent if they click there's not many to match them outside Dublin"
i do believe thats a direct quote from yourself

So now your argument is based on winning big championship games in croke pk in the past...most of this kerry team haven't played in a senior championship game in croke pk, never mind winning one.
As for winning big championship games in croke park regularly, in the last 3 seasons kerry have played 8 championship games in croke park and won 4 of them...i'd say thats an average record, not a regular occurence

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 06/07/2018 22:17:10    2119237

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Replying To mayotyroneman:  ""They waltzed through Munster with no fuss this year and with their talent if they click there's not many to match them outside Dublin"
i do believe thats a direct quote from yourself

So now your argument is based on winning big championship games in croke pk in the past...most of this kerry team haven't played in a senior championship game in croke pk, never mind winning one.
As for winning big championship games in croke park regularly, in the last 3 seasons kerry have played 8 championship games in croke park and won 4 of them...i'd say thats an average record, not a regular occurence"
Football is only a Third Sport in Galway! Hurling and Rugby come first.

SAMMYTHEBULL (Galway) - Posts: 1646 - 07/07/2018 01:34:00    2119258

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Replying To mayotyroneman:  ""They waltzed through Munster with no fuss this year and with their talent if they click there's not many to match them outside Dublin"
i do believe thats a direct quote from yourself

So now your argument is based on winning big championship games in croke pk in the past...most of this kerry team haven't played in a senior championship game in croke pk, never mind winning one.
As for winning big championship games in croke park regularly, in the last 3 seasons kerry have played 8 championship games in croke park and won 4 of them...i'd say thats an average record, not a regular occurence"
If you're going to quote me you'd want to learn to read first. If they click not many to match them. That's implying their potential if they click but a far cry from saying no one to match them. One of those teams they beat was Galway with no fuss. 4 wins is 4 wins more than the other 2 combined. Bet against them so versus said opposition. If you're right I suspect you'll make a pretty penny but my money says you'll be down.

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 07/07/2018 02:01:13    2119260

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well we are now in a better position to judge where everything is at after first round of super 8's, and monaghan are very much on course albeit still being outsiders.
However, the big news of the weekend is the emergence of tyrone now as genuine all ireland contenders...
Teams can be ranked as follows;
1. Dublin
2. galway
3. Tyrone
these three definite contenders
4. Monaghan
5. Kerry
Both of them are outsiders and the hype around kerry remains what it is...hype
6. Donegal
Are still dark horses but have a lot of work to do
7. Kildare
8. Roscommon
Both of them really not in the race for all-ireland and will be doing extremely well to get to a semi-final

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 15/07/2018 19:03:51    2122275

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Ffs not this again...

patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 936 - 15/07/2018 19:20:07    2122294

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Replying To patk:  "Ffs not this again..."
yes patk...it sure is and kerry and donegal didn't exactly live up to the billing you and other posters gave them...monaghan and tyrone have every right to be ranked above them and as for the deluded tyrone men?...well?

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 15/07/2018 19:25:55    2122296

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Replying To mayotyroneman:  "well we are now in a better position to judge where everything is at after first round of super 8's, and monaghan are very much on course albeit still being outsiders.
However, the big news of the weekend is the emergence of tyrone now as genuine all ireland contenders...
Teams can be ranked as follows;
1. Dublin
2. galway
3. Tyrone
these three definite contenders
4. Monaghan
5. Kerry
Both of them are outsiders and the hype around kerry remains what it is...hype
6. Donegal
Are still dark horses but have a lot of work to do
7. Kildare
8. Roscommon
Both of them really not in the race for all-ireland and will be doing extremely well to get to a semi-final"
You have Monaghan above Kerry as all Ireland contenders? I wouldn't mind being your bookie. Monaghan will likely play rubbish the next day, though maybe they played rubbish today and won I didn't see the game live, Mayo must be kicking themselves I think they'd have beaten Monaghan today.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2756 - 15/07/2018 19:29:30    2122298

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Replying To mayotyroneman:  "well we are now in a better position to judge where everything is at after first round of super 8's, and monaghan are very much on course albeit still being outsiders.
However, the big news of the weekend is the emergence of tyrone now as genuine all ireland contenders...
Teams can be ranked as follows;
1. Dublin
2. galway
3. Tyrone
these three definite contenders
4. Monaghan
5. Kerry
Both of them are outsiders and the hype around kerry remains what it is...hype
6. Donegal
Are still dark horses but have a lot of work to do
7. Kildare
8. Roscommon
Both of them really not in the race for all-ireland and will be doing extremely well to get to a semi-final"
Like last year Tyrone hammered a lower league team coming through the qualifers at the quarter final stage albeit Roscommon will be Division 1 next year. I think Dublin will win their three games and Donegal imo will win at the Hyde next week. This would set up a decider in Ballybofey between Tyrone and Donegal. Tyrone would do very well to come through that game, if they manage it then Galway and Dublin await. I doubt Tyrone will get near the All Ireland.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 15/07/2018 19:33:56    2122307

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Replying To patk:  "Ffs not this again..."
Best to ignore....

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 965 - 15/07/2018 19:41:24    2122318

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All 4 winners from this weekend are obvious contenders. As seen in the World Cup, a loss in the first game makes it difficult.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7868 - 15/07/2018 19:48:58    2122329

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There was no performance this weekend that suggests to me that anyone but Dublin will win the All-Ireland. Great victory for Galway but Kerry were really poor. Tyrone played really well and if they can repeat that performance next weekend against Dublin then they are real contenders. But can Tyrone do to Dublin what they did to Roscommon? Its fine beating inferior opposition by cricket scores but Dublin are an entirely different matter.

Mayo have been heavily criticized these past few years but they were genuine contenders and could match Dublin.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1876 - 15/07/2018 20:05:24    2122342

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "You have Monaghan above Kerry as all Ireland contenders? I wouldn't mind being your bookie. Monaghan will likely play rubbish the next day, though maybe they played rubbish today and won I didn't see the game live, Mayo must be kicking themselves I think they'd have beaten Monaghan today."
so on what basis are kerry ranked above monaghan at the moment?...not much between them but monaghan should be winning by a couple of points next weekend

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 15/07/2018 21:02:19    2122390

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No is the answer - Monaghan won't win the All Ireland. However inviting Kerry to Clones in the middle of summer will be some occasion. I wouldn't be surprised if that game attracted a fair few neutrals to go alongside a huge Monaghan support, bringing the crowd to near sell out. The pressure is on Kerry, but I have a feeling Monaghan won't be beaten in Clones which should almost guarantee Monaghan a semi final slot.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 15/07/2018 21:54:16    2122413

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Replying To Hardtimes:  "If Kerry are not contenders then IMO Dublin have already won the AI. There's no way you can say Galway, Monaghan or anyone else are ahead of them to challenge Dublin. For a start Kerry are already in the Super 8. Monaghan are not yet. Galway are not a proven Croke Park championship team yet. Kerry put them away with little fuss last year. They beat Dublin in a league final last year. They have also improved since last year and will be all guns blazing. They waltzed through Munster with no fuss this year and with their talent if they click there's not many to match them outside Dublin. You can run down Munster football if you like but you may find in your next match that the opposition there might be slightly better than pathetic."
So then Kerry are gone and Monaghan are still standing...I rest my case ..this kerry team were at best outsiders all year..can't understand what all the hype was about

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 05/08/2018 01:55:02    2129194

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Replying To mayotyroneman:  "So then Kerry are gone and Monaghan are still standing...I rest my case ..this kerry team were at best outsiders all year..can't understand what all the hype was about"
I still don't understand the monaghan hype.

lost to fermanagh.

the handiest of draws in the qualifiers (leitrim, carlow and laois............please zzz)

snuck past kildare.

bottled it big style against a kerry team you never got the hype about full of kids.

and then beat galway who where already through focusing on next week??

Monaghan are the least likely out of everyone left to win it now imo

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 05/08/2018 09:32:01    2129233

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Replying To waynoI:  "I still don't understand the monaghan hype.

lost to fermanagh.

the handiest of draws in the qualifiers (leitrim, carlow and laois............please zzz)

snuck past kildare.

bottled it big style against a kerry team you never got the hype about full of kids.

and then beat galway who where already through focusing on next week??

Monaghan are the least likely out of everyone left to win it now imo"
Major monkey off their back now. I don't think anyone will have enough to beat Dublin but if I was to pick one that had it would be Monaghan. They are hitting form at the right time.

Yes they lost to fermanagh but plenty of teams before have gone on back door runs after bad early losses. Sorry for being pedantic but it was Waterford and not Carlow - anyway you can only beat what's in front of you they did that. Wouldnt say they bottled it against Kerry - they were naive if anything. You could also argue that the point they won put Kerry out. Finally I don't believe for one minute that Galway weren't trying. That's just lazy analysis.

footballfirst (Dublin) - Posts: 48 - 05/08/2018 09:44:50    2129240

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