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Gas all the plaudits (many well deserved) to Monaghan) and much of recent criticism directed at us. Is it not great that at least a few counties are doing their damdest to break into the top tier as the championship has been tired spectacle in recent yrs notwithstanding the very good few teams at the top. I like Monaghan and a semi final spot must be a key objective.
kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1947 - 22/05/2018 10:18:41
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Great result for Monaghan and fully deserved. Donegal, Monaghan and Tyrone are on a par and either of those teams could still easily make an All Ireland semi final. However Ulster football is not going through it's strongest era and even the strongest teams in the province are fairly average. When the big games come around I would still fancy Dublin, Kerry, Mayo and Galway to make it difficult for Ulster teams. Do I see Monaghan winning at least two super 8 matches, followed by a semi final and the final? No is the answer, in fact Donegal will win the Ulster Championship in my opinion.
sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 22/05/2018 10:24:51
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It's really too early in the championship to make a judgement on whether Monaghan can win an All-Ireland but they are the second best team in the country at the moment form wise. Apart from Dublin, it's hard to make a compelling case for any of the other teams to win it. Monaghan are well placed though, a big win Croke Park in the Super 8s could really see them go to the next level.
Before the start of the championship I felt that no Ulster side would make a serious challenge for the All-Ireland this year as we are a bit off the pace and nothing has changed my mind. Monaghan are definitely best placed of the ulster sides and would be great to see them make a breakthrough.
Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1876 - 22/05/2018 10:58:36
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Replying To sam1884: "Great result for Monaghan and fully deserved. Donegal, Monaghan and Tyrone are on a par and either of those teams could still easily make an All Ireland semi final. However Ulster football is not going through it's strongest era and even the strongest teams in the province are fairly average. When the big games come around I would still fancy Dublin, Kerry, Mayo and Galway to make it difficult for Ulster teams. Do I see Monaghan winning at least two super 8 matches, followed by a semi final and the final? No is the answer, in fact Donegal will win the Ulster Championship in my opinion." I think it depends to be honest cant see many teams looking forward to an away game in Monaghan. I think group play will suit them down to the ground.
The make up of the S8's will be key, i think with results so far, we will have at least one or maybe even two groups of death. With at least three teams confident and competitive of progressing.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 22/05/2018 11:11:33
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Two Donegal men are saying monaghan put a lot into the league. This is bull. In previous years Monaghan struggled due to same players being used over and over again. During the league I believe 30 different players started. Only Rory Beggan and Niall Kearns who made his championship debut on Sunday have started all league and championship games so far. Players were rotated and rested.
This is a team that haven't done much hard work during the league.
We have Fermanagh, Sunday week in Omagh and that's the only focus.
shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1928 - 22/05/2018 11:24:10
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Playing Dublin in a packed Croker is where you find out wether your a contender or not. Only two teams (Mayo Kerry) have shown they are , still massive questions marks over Monaghan but I really like the look of them this year and they have a bench aswell which is huge in today's game, they'll be hard bet.
Yeah ok they've a small population but surely a game 134 years old you can produce 15 good players in that time at some stage? It's Monaghan's time now so hopefully for them they make the most of it.
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 22/05/2018 11:38:26
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Replying To Tir Conaill Abu: "If Tyrone had won yesterdays clash v Monaghan in the way that Monaghan won, there would be people calling Tyrone one of the favourites for the AI and the team to knock Dublin's dominance. Why is it then that people aren't saying the same of Monaghan? Most of the plaudits coming to them after yesterdays win is that they will win Ulster and make the super 8's but I haven't heard one commentator say they have All Ireland credentials or maybe thats because they don't have the media power that Tyrone, Kerry and Dublin posses.
The facts speak for themselves:
- They have won two Ulster titles in the past 5 years.
- They are now a consistent division 1 team.
- They beat Dublin IN Croke Park this year (Only Kerry have managed that in the past few years)
- They are not solely reliant on the brilliance of Mc Manus any more.
- They have a stronger panel now than the past 5 years.
These lads have the experience to go all the way and I'm a big fan of their attitude and preparation. With the greatest respect to Fermanagh, they'll have too much for them and although we are probably favourites to meet them in the Ulster Final, this young Donegal team aren't ready for them yet. I'll be putting a sneaky few quid on them anyway." This Topic is like a politician calling at your house,he'll tell you all you want to hear and clapping you on the back at the same time....I think Monaghan are cute enough now,as Sunday showed to think like the Old Bull,not the young Bull...Donegal cute whorisim at its best
stoneygrey (Monaghan) - Posts: 213 - 22/05/2018 11:47:02
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Replying To Tir Conaill Abu: "I know they haven't won a quarter final but as I said, if Tyrone had won in the same manner as Monaghan I would guarantee there would be more comments about them being genuine contenders for the AI. It just seems strange that Monaghan aren't getting that same elevated level. It's not as if they are a division 3 side who had a major upset!
I agree with your comment about the credit they deserve given their population. If larger populated counties like Cork, Meath etc. could mirror the level of commitment and desire that Monaghan have they would be a major contender." I don't follow the logic of your argument: if Tyrone had won in the same manner as Monaghan I would guarantee there would be more comments about them being genuine contenders for the AI
I really doubt that would be the case. I think most people agree there is a current top tier of Dublin, Mayo and Kerry with a second tier of Tyrone, Monaghan and Galway. If a "tier 2" county beat another "tier 2" county, I don't see how that would propel them to being contenders to beat at least 2 "tier 1" counties, which they would have to do to win the All Ireland.
Also, the game was a draw after about 65 minutes. Monaghan finished very strongly but the common consensus is that Tyrone started with 3 injured players, a ploy that backfired as all 3 were taken off, and still were in contention towards the finish of the game. If Tyrone have won from that point, I'd imagine people would still say that they haven't beaten any of the "tier 1" counties for 10 years, which would unlikely propel them to being strong contenders, based on that one result / performance.
If Monaghan had blown away that Tyrone side, rather than finishing better than them, I'd say that would have laid down a far stronger marker. Add that to a good league campaign and a squad with good options off the bench and you have yourself a realistic outside bet (Monaghan are currently 16/1 with Paddy Power - 5th favourites).
Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 22/05/2018 12:08:38
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Replying To kiloughter: "Gas all the plaudits (many well deserved) to Monaghan) and much of recent criticism directed at us. Is it not great that at least a few counties are doing their damdest to break into the top tier as the championship has been tired spectacle in recent yrs notwithstanding the very good few teams at the top. I like Monaghan and a semi final spot must be a key objective." Galway are a traditional big gun and should be up there all the time. What's yer pop...over a quarter of a million. Monaghan are a small county with I dunno maybe 60,000 people?
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11236 - 22/05/2018 12:18:00
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Replying To stoneygrey: " Replying To Tir Conaill Abu: "If Tyrone had won yesterdays clash v Monaghan in the way that Monaghan won, there would be people calling Tyrone one of the favourites for the AI and the team to knock Dublin's dominance. Why is it then that people aren't saying the same of Monaghan? Most of the plaudits coming to them after yesterdays win is that they will win Ulster and make the super 8's but I haven't heard one commentator say they have All Ireland credentials or maybe thats because they don't have the media power that Tyrone, Kerry and Dublin posses.
The facts speak for themselves:
- They have won two Ulster titles in the past 5 years.
- They are now a consistent division 1 team.
- They beat Dublin IN Croke Park this year (Only Kerry have managed that in the past few years)
- They are not solely reliant on the brilliance of Mc Manus any more.
- They have a stronger panel now than the past 5 years.
These lads have the experience to go all the way and I'm a big fan of their attitude and preparation. With the greatest respect to Fermanagh, they'll have too much for them and although we are probably favourites to meet them in the Ulster Final, this young Donegal team aren't ready for them yet. I'll be putting a sneaky few quid on them anyway." This Topic is like a politician calling at your house,he'll tell you all you want to hear and clapping you on the back at the same time....I think Monaghan are cute enough now,as Sunday showed to think like the Old Bull,not the young Bull...Donegal cute whorisim at its best"
greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 965 - 22/05/2018 13:07:29
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Replying To shaggylegend: "Two Donegal men are saying monaghan put a lot into the league. This is bull. In previous years Monaghan struggled due to same players being used over and over again. During the league I believe 30 different players started. Only Rory Beggan and Niall Kearns who made his championship debut on Sunday have started all league and championship games so far. Players were rotated and rested.
This is a team that haven't done much hard work during the league.
We have Fermanagh, Sunday week in Omagh and that's the only focus." Fair enough. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. though. Let's see how the summer unfolds.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9154 - 22/05/2018 14:09:51
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Replying To yew_tree: "Galway are a traditional big gun and should be up there all the time. What's yer pop...over a quarter of a million. Monaghan are a small county with I dunno maybe 60,000 people?" Same old exhausting argument yew. Half the county and clubs don't even play the game beyond juvenile level and anywhere where there is a city is not a good yardstick for putting forward a population case. Also the dynamic of the co.board can be mixed with two codes on an equal footing. Mayo and Kerry have more playing the game than us at adult level being largely one code only.
kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1947 - 22/05/2018 14:33:40
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Replying To stoneygrey: " Replying To Tir Conaill Abu: "If Tyrone had won yesterdays clash v Monaghan in the way that Monaghan won, there would be people calling Tyrone one of the favourites for the AI and the team to knock Dublin's dominance. Why is it then that people aren't saying the same of Monaghan? Most of the plaudits coming to them after yesterdays win is that they will win Ulster and make the super 8's but I haven't heard one commentator say they have All Ireland credentials or maybe thats because they don't have the media power that Tyrone, Kerry and Dublin posses.
The facts speak for themselves:
- They have won two Ulster titles in the past 5 years.
- They are now a consistent division 1 team.
- They beat Dublin IN Croke Park this year (Only Kerry have managed that in the past few years)
- They are not solely reliant on the brilliance of Mc Manus any more.
- They have a stronger panel now than the past 5 years.
These lads have the experience to go all the way and I'm a big fan of their attitude and preparation. With the greatest respect to Fermanagh, they'll have too much for them and although we are probably favourites to meet them in the Ulster Final, this young Donegal team aren't ready for them yet. I'll be putting a sneaky few quid on them anyway." This Topic is like a politician calling at your house,he'll tell you all you want to hear and clapping you on the back at the same time....I think Monaghan are cute enough now,as Sunday showed to think like the Old Bull,not the young Bull...Donegal cute whorisim at its best"
But Monaghan won't win the all Ireland despite having a very good team. They have too many fixtures to prepare for.
Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 22/05/2018 16:21:28
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Replying To Donegalman: " Replying To stoneygrey: "[quote=Tir Conaill Abu: "If Tyrone had won yesterdays clash v Monaghan in the way that Monaghan won, there would be people calling Tyrone one of the favourites for the AI and the team to knock Dublin's dominance. Why is it then that people aren't saying the same of Monaghan? Most of the plaudits coming to them after yesterdays win is that they will win Ulster and make the super 8's but I haven't heard one commentator say they have All Ireland credentials or maybe thats because they don't have the media power that Tyrone, Kerry and Dublin posses.
The facts speak for themselves:
- They have won two Ulster titles in the past 5 years.
- They are now a consistent division 1 team.
- They beat Dublin IN Croke Park this year (Only Kerry have managed that in the past few years)
- They are not solely reliant on the brilliance of Mc Manus any more.
- They have a stronger panel now than the past 5 years.
These lads have the experience to go all the way and I'm a big fan of their attitude and preparation. With the greatest respect to Fermanagh, they'll have too much for them and although we are probably favourites to meet them in the Ulster Final, this young Donegal team aren't ready for them yet. I'll be putting a sneaky few quid on them anyway." This Topic is like a politician calling at your house,he'll tell you all you want to hear and clapping you on the back at the same time....I think Monaghan are cute enough now,as Sunday showed to think like the Old Bull,not the young Bull...Donegal cute whorisim at its best"
But Monaghan won't win the all Ireland despite having a very good team. They have too many fixtures to prepare for."]Monaghan v Fermanagh is being played in Omagh , last time I checked it's still in Tyrone
stoneygrey (Monaghan) - Posts: 213 - 22/05/2018 17:17:04
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Replying To greysoil: " Replying To stoneygrey: "[quote=Tir Conaill Abu: "If Tyrone had won yesterdays clash v Monaghan in the way that Monaghan won, there would be people calling Tyrone one of the favourites for the AI and the team to knock Dublin's dominance. Why is it then that people aren't saying the same of Monaghan? Most of the plaudits coming to them after yesterdays win is that they will win Ulster and make the super 8's but I haven't heard one commentator say they have All Ireland credentials or maybe thats because they don't have the media power that Tyrone, Kerry and Dublin posses.
The facts speak for themselves:
- They have won two Ulster titles in the past 5 years.
- They are now a consistent division 1 team.
- They beat Dublin IN Croke Park this year (Only Kerry have managed that in the past few years)
- They are not solely reliant on the brilliance of Mc Manus any more.
- They have a stronger panel now than the past 5 years.
These lads have the experience to go all the way and I'm a big fan of their attitude and preparation. With the greatest respect to Fermanagh, they'll have too much for them and although we are probably favourites to meet them in the Ulster Final, this young Donegal team aren't ready for them yet. I'll be putting a sneaky few quid on them anyway." This Topic is like a politician calling at your house,he'll tell you all you want to hear and clapping you on the back at the same time....I think Monaghan are cute enough now,as Sunday showed to think like the Old Bull,not the young Bull...Donegal cute whorisim at its best"
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2170 - 22/05/2018 18:13:40
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Replying To Tir Conaill Abu: "If Tyrone had won yesterdays clash v Monaghan in the way that Monaghan won, there would be people calling Tyrone one of the favourites for the AI and the team to knock Dublin's dominance. Why is it then that people aren't saying the same of Monaghan? Most of the plaudits coming to them after yesterdays win is that they will win Ulster and make the super 8's but I haven't heard one commentator say they have All Ireland credentials or maybe thats because they don't have the media power that Tyrone, Kerry and Dublin posses.
The facts speak for themselves:
- They have won two Ulster titles in the past 5 years.
- They are now a consistent division 1 team.
- They beat Dublin IN Croke Park this year (Only Kerry have managed that in the past few years)
- They are not solely reliant on the brilliance of Mc Manus any more.
- They have a stronger panel now than the past 5 years.
These lads have the experience to go all the way and I'm a big fan of their attitude and preparation. With the greatest respect to Fermanagh, they'll have too much for them and although we are probably favourites to meet them in the Ulster Final, this young Donegal team aren't ready for them yet. I'll be putting a sneaky few quid on them anyway." Donegal man indulging in that well known Kerry past-time (cutehoorism)
s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 22/05/2018 19:58:49
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One thints for sure , we don't see any over reactions or hysterics to a win or loss for a team here on Hoganstand.
Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 22/05/2018 20:43:21
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Fully expect Mayo to be there again against the Dubs, Monaghan have a great keeper and Mc Manus but Mayo have Rochford on the sideline and he is the best under pressure calling the shots.
maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1197 - 22/05/2018 21:13:44
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Ah go easy lads, I'm trying to be genuine here. Take the plaudits and enjoy them. When we were going well all we got was abuse from the other 31 counties saying we had destroyed football. At least Monaghan are getting their credits.
Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1671 - 22/05/2018 21:30:06
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Replying To kiloughter: "Same old exhausting argument yew. Half the county and clubs don't even play the game beyond juvenile level and anywhere where there is a city is not a good yardstick for putting forward a population case. Also the dynamic of the co.board can be mixed with two codes on an equal footing. Mayo and Kerry have more playing the game than us at adult level being largely one code only." I would like to see those playing figures you have. Galway have far from a small pick of players. And aren't we comparing Galway and Monaghan on this argument?
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11236 - 22/05/2018 21:44:37
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