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Replying To shaneShankill:  "Blasphemy warning. Is it time to only allow free takers to score from within the 65 meter line.

Or at least prevent hurl swapping in order to score from a free. Is it within the spirit of the rules that the penalty for a foul within a 100 yards of your own goal is a point to the opposition.

Fair play to the Kilkenny goalkeeper scoring 4 from 100 yards out. But this is going to mean kk start every match with a 3 or 4 point advantage."
Its unfair that if an attacking forward fouls the ball by catching it 3 times for instance that the result is a point from a free for the opposition. Time maybe that technical fouls should be penalised by indirect frees in some cases.

ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 486 - 14/05/2018 18:22:23    2100715

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Replying To shaneShankill:  "Blasphemy warning. Is it time to only allow free takers to score from within the 65 meter line.

Or at least prevent hurl swapping in order to score from a free. Is it within the spirit of the rules that the penalty for a foul within a 100 yards of your own goal is a point to the opposition.

Fair play to the Kilkenny goalkeeper scoring 4 from 100 yards out. But this is going to mean kk start every match with a 3 or 4 point advantage."
What's preventing other keepers from doing the same? Should we outlaw scoring points from sideline cuts within your own half to stop Ronan Maher giving Tipp an advantage?

But seriously, these are all in part due to a sliotar that in my opinion has been made too light. It is now too easy to score from distance. Of course this has helped us have more high scoring games, which can lead to more entertaining games, but the marvel of a point from distance has gone for me, except in the more exceptional cases. I can't see the ball ever been made heavier but I'd be in favour of it not being made any lighter

Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 57 - 14/05/2018 20:34:01    2100765

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Replying To Heftydickonem:  "What's preventing other keepers from doing the same? Should we outlaw scoring points from sideline cuts within your own half to stop Ronan Maher giving Tipp an advantage?

But seriously, these are all in part due to a sliotar that in my opinion has been made too light. It is now too easy to score from distance. Of course this has helped us have more high scoring games, which can lead to more entertaining games, but the marvel of a point from distance has gone for me, except in the more exceptional cases. I can't see the ball ever been made heavier but I'd be in favour of it not being made any lighter"
http://www.southernstar.ie/Sport/At-last-an-answer-to-my-sliotar-query-12122014.htm

Not sure the accuracy of this but it appears the sliotars are now actually heavier than they were years ago...

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2342 - 14/05/2018 23:18:55    2100817

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Replying To Heftydickonem:  "What's preventing other keepers from doing the same? Should we outlaw scoring points from sideline cuts within your own half to stop Ronan Maher giving Tipp an advantage?

But seriously, these are all in part due to a sliotar that in my opinion has been made too light. It is now too easy to score from distance. Of course this has helped us have more high scoring games, which can lead to more entertaining games, but the marvel of a point from distance has gone for me, except in the more exceptional cases. I can't see the ball ever been made heavier but I'd be in favour of it not being made any lighter"
i love a long score,everybody does,but are we losing the magic of the score from the 65/midfield because they are now so routine?
i would love to see the ball being made a bit heavier,the consequence of the light ball is a set of forwards who spend half the time looking at the ball fly over their head.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 2380 - 15/05/2018 08:48:11    2100849

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Replying To tiobraid:  "http://www.southernstar.ie/Sport/At-last-an-answer-to-my-sliotar-query-12122014.htm

Not sure the accuracy of this but it appears the sliotars are now actually heavier than they were years ago..."
Interesting, I assumed the increased distances were due to weight change but it appears to be due to different ball composition. In any case, I think my point still stands.

As a Kilkenny fan, I remember marvelling at DJ Carey scoring off his left, running at full pelt, on the sideline under the stand in Semple around 50 yards out in the 1997 All-Ireland quarter final and thinking that only he could do that, but these days I'd expect most inter-county player to be able to do it. Is that all due to ball, no, but it is definitely a factor in my opinion

Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 57 - 15/05/2018 10:17:50    2100871

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Replying To perfect10:  "i love a long score,everybody does,but are we losing the magic of the score from the 65/midfield because they are now so routine?
i would love to see the ball being made a bit heavier,the consequence of the light ball is a set of forwards who spend half the time looking at the ball fly over their head."
Yeah, you'd imagine it is preventing more goal chances being created, (I have no stats to back that up) but I'd guess we're seeing more goals in the modern game than ever, which itself may be partly due to the ball!

Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 57 - 15/05/2018 10:20:17    2100874

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so all now screaming about leinster relegation.....expect a structure change now....
only in gaa.
where were they all when congress discussed it?

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 2380 - 15/05/2018 15:18:15    2101019

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Replying To perfect10:  "so all now screaming about leinster relegation.....expect a structure change now....
only in gaa.
where were they all when congress discussed it?"
Remember that the world of hurling will end if the same 10 teams are not in the Championship.

Westmeath, Carlow and Kerry should never be allowed even the chance of playing at the same
level as the top 10.

So it was written in the beginning of time and must always continue.

Think its rule 40.3.5 subsection 29

carlovia (None) - Posts: 761 - 15/05/2018 15:25:41    2101022

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Replying To Heftydickonem:  "Interesting, I assumed the increased distances were due to weight change but it appears to be due to different ball composition. In any case, I think my point still stands.

As a Kilkenny fan, I remember marvelling at DJ Carey scoring off his left, running at full pelt, on the sideline under the stand in Semple around 50 yards out in the 1997 All-Ireland quarter final and thinking that only he could do that, but these days I'd expect most inter-county player to be able to do it. Is that all due to ball, no, but it is definitely a factor in my opinion"
In 1997 the sliotar or sliothar soaked up water on a wet day and became heavier. I recently weighted a genuine leather hurling ball after a traiining session and it was 24g heavier than at the start of the session. that meant the ball was about 20% heavier. Also guys now a days are stronger and better conditioned than 20 years ago.

Brian_Coyote (Antrim) - Posts: 297 - 15/05/2018 15:43:31    2101028

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Replying To carlovia:  "Remember that the world of hurling will end if the same 10 teams are not in the Championship.

Westmeath, Carlow and Kerry should never be allowed even the chance of playing at the same
level as the top 10.

So it was written in the beginning of time and must always continue.

Think its rule 40.3.5 subsection 29"
if wexford were relegated,i would honestly hope we would just take it instead of cribbing about it.you have 4 games to avoid it,people are basing offaly on 1 performance-if kilkenny beat offaly by 20 points on sunday,will people think the same?

what would be absolutely gas,is if kerry won mc donagh cup and beat somebody in munster.
imagine the uproar.

we need to stop asking every dog on the street for his opinion now,they should have had more to say at congress time when it was agreed and unless i remember wrong,i dont remember eoin kelly,brian cody,etc shouting about it then.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 2380 - 15/05/2018 15:50:09    2101032

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Replying To perfect10:  "if wexford were relegated,i would honestly hope we would just take it instead of cribbing about it.you have 4 games to avoid it,people are basing offaly on 1 performance-if kilkenny beat offaly by 20 points on sunday,will people think the same?

what would be absolutely gas,is if kerry won mc donagh cup and beat somebody in munster.
imagine the uproar.

we need to stop asking every dog on the street for his opinion now,they should have had more to say at congress time when it was agreed and unless i remember wrong,i dont remember eoin kelly,brian cody,etc shouting about it then."
Im not knocking Offaly as i know they are making a huge effort this year.

But why should they be losing every match by 10+ points instead of playing
Laois, Westmeath, Antrim, Kerry and Carlow.

It may help their confidence and gives another team a chance to go up.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 761 - 15/05/2018 16:05:34    2101036

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Replying To Brian_Coyote:  "In 1997 the sliotar or sliothar soaked up water on a wet day and became heavier. I recently weighted a genuine leather hurling ball after a traiining session and it was 24g heavier than at the start of the session. that meant the ball was about 20% heavier. Also guys now a days are stronger and better conditioned than 20 years ago."
Hurls are also of a higher quality with a bigger bas than before.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 11689 - 15/05/2018 16:06:55    2101038

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Replying To perfect10:  "if wexford were relegated,i would honestly hope we would just take it instead of cribbing about it.you have 4 games to avoid it,people are basing offaly on 1 performance-if kilkenny beat offaly by 20 points on sunday,will people think the same?

what would be absolutely gas,is if kerry won mc donagh cup and beat somebody in munster.
imagine the uproar.

we need to stop asking every dog on the street for his opinion now,they should have had more to say at congress time when it was agreed and unless i remember wrong,i dont remember eoin kelly,brian cody,etc shouting about it then."
Let's hope the new kids on the block in Pairc un Crocaigh have a pair of cojones when the uproar begins. Be jaysus sure where would hurling be without Dublin or Offaly at the top table to hell with Carlow or Kerry or Laois sure they wouldn't bring 5000 to a Leinster final.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 501 - 15/05/2018 16:11:11    2101044

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Agree with Eoin Kelly's comment that the LSHC should have more teams in it. I'd also say that so should the MSHC. It would promote hurling in more counties.
Also both championships should have an even number of teams so no county has the advantage of a break in the middle of the round robin compared to those counties that presently have four games in a row. Add Galway to the MSHC (if Kerry weren't up to playing in it) and put two teams from the JMCD Cup in to the LSHC. The JMCD Cup could be a four team competition or a six team competition where the winners play a round robin with the two bottom teams i.e. MSHC and LSHC. and the bottom team in this going down to the JMCD Cup the following year.
Meath need to be part of the JMCD Cup next year too as they have shown great promises in recent years e.g. winning the Christy Ring against Antrim.

Brian_Coyote (Antrim) - Posts: 297 - 15/05/2018 16:59:09    2101069

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we need to stop asking every dog on the street for his opinion now,they should have had more to say at congress time when it was agreed and unless i remember wrong,i dont remember eoin kelly,brian cody,etc shouting about it then.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 2342 - 15/05/2018 15:50:09 2101032


You do remember wrong.

Firstly, what would Brian Cody, a hurling couch be doing at congress? He deals with the playing side. Congress is for delegates.

Secondly, Kilkenny, among other counties, voted against the new format.

http://www.the42.ie/gaa-special-congress-2017-hurling-championship-3623548-Sep2017/

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 488 - 15/05/2018 21:53:09    2101184

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "we need to stop asking every dog on the street for his opinion now,they should have had more to say at congress time when it was agreed and unless i remember wrong,i dont remember eoin kelly,brian cody,etc shouting about it then.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 2342 - 15/05/2018 15:50:09 2101032


You do remember wrong.

Firstly, what would Brian Cody, a hurling couch be doing at congress? He deals with the playing side. Congress is for delegates.

Secondly, Kilkenny, among other counties, voted against the new format.

He" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.the42.ie/gaa-special-congress-2017-hurling-championship-3623548-Sep2017/"
He didn't say he should be at congress but if he isn't asked about his opinion back then, and if he is a "hurling coach dealing with the playing side" like you say, why is he being asked for his opinion on a structure now?
I too absolutely HATE the GAA culture of "ask everybody what they think when it is too late". This structure was agreed and should not be changed. What they did wrong was not making the bottom team in Leinster play a play-off against the winners of Joe McDonagh cup but it is what it is, get on with it and Wexford/Dublin/Offaly are no more entitled to a place in Leinster Championship than Laois, Westmeath, etc would be.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4042 - 16/05/2018 08:45:42    2101245

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Would be good to give the structure a chance first before everyone knocks it.

At least wait a year to see how it goes.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 761 - 16/05/2018 11:03:39    2101299

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Replying To carlovia:  "Would be good to give the structure a chance first before everyone knocks it.

At least wait a year to see how it goes."
Don't wait until the weaker counties in the LSHC and JMcD Cup are disillusioned, if it is obvious that a slight tweak to promote and improve the situation then implement it immediately.

If a manager during a match sees a problem in the full back line should he wait until the next match to check if it isn't working again or should he change it there and then to find out if the change makes a difference for the better?

Brian_Coyote (Antrim) - Posts: 297 - 16/05/2018 13:46:57    2101363

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What is the slight improvement?

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4042 - 16/05/2018 14:00:55    2101373

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Replying To ZUL10:  "Its unfair that if an attacking forward fouls the ball by catching it 3 times for instance that the result is a point from a free for the opposition. Time maybe that technical fouls should be penalised by indirect frees in some cases."
100% agree re technical fouls. I would add steps and picking off the ground to the list too.

If long range frees were banned you would have more goals. These frees would be dropped into the square just like when a team is 3 points down with minutes to go. Much more exciting

I now record hurling matches and fast forward through the frees and 65s. It Approximately halves the time of a match.

shaneShankill (Dublin) - Posts: 9 - 16/05/2018 14:49:10    2101394

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