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For sure. Totally agree. Fenton is immense and already up there amongst the best. Tohill was just another level above them all though. Massive physicality with speed and mobility. I remember seeing Kevin Walsh, a big man by Amy measure really struggling to hold him. Tohill was huge but all frame and muscle if you look at a picture of him and angular in shape as opposed to blocky which can hold back mobility and usually be conducive to putting on a few pounds! I doubt I'll ever see a midfielder near as good as him, just don't think it's possible. Kilkenny is superb and one of the main men for Dublin. General, playmaker amd scorer and constant motion. Up there with Dublins best of King Bernard, Connolly, Cluxton, McCarty and Cooper. John Small to join them!
DonegalAtlantic (Donegal) - Posts: 111 - 28/04/2018 22:13:53 2095539 Link 2 |
Ya tohill was brilliant all right, I got to see him play in a few league games back in the day, it was nearly unnatural the way such a big guy could move so fluidly and kick off both feet and I'd definitely put him up there with the great jack o'shea.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 29/04/2018 11:33:57 2095568 Link 1 |
I've been lucky to met Jack O'Shea a few times now and even got his autograph when I was a young fella probably in the mid 80's. A nice man. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 29/04/2018 12:21:14 2095569 Link 2 |
Browncows jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 29/04/2018 15:21:27 2095586 Link 0 |
Ah sure life is full of opinions jim, we all have them and even though I don't agree with yours and you don't agree with mine who's to say there right or wrong (even though i know I'm right) :-) I'm sure if jacko was asked about Kilkenny today he's opinion could be different. personally I like Kilkenny he's a fine athlete although he does get away with taking a lot of steps but that's up to the officials to pull. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 29/04/2018 16:51:45 2095592 Link 2 |
This Dublin team are excellent would they beat Tyrone no wfkerry (USA) - Posts: 933 - 29/04/2018 18:48:04 2095603 Link 3 |
Of course Fenton being half a Kerry man helps him immensely in his football.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 29/04/2018 18:51:49 2095606 Link 1 |
Jim There were a few mitigating circumstances for that Tyrone team in 04. You have to take that into consideration. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 29/04/2018 21:00:18 2095623 Link 3 |
Is there anything on any front you folk don't claim?! I remember a similar comment from you months ago saying someone's football "was of Kerry" so it was no surprise he was good, or something to that effect. I don't hear Galway folk on here with similar comments re Ciaran Kilkenny or Kevin Mc Menamin. When Kerry bailed themselves out of tight corners over the years it was half a Tyrone man that usually done it for them in Donaghy!
DonegalAtlantic (Donegal) - Posts: 111 - 29/04/2018 22:53:52 2095639 Link 9 |
The Fridge Tyrone were a brilliant side.. But yiz did have some really boom and bust years in there with some strange results that didn't reflect your previous season Not the most consistent I can remember Louth getting a draw in there too Just think it's a bit weak to suggest that the current Dublin or Mayo sides couldn't have beaten Tyrone when a number of lesser sides were able to do it perfectly well across the 00's. Tyrone had some poor years in the mix where they were very beatable. As was proven. With posters saying it with such conviction is very questionable in my book and doesn't reflect the results. No assumptions needed when you simply look at the stats and Tyrones poor years mixed in with 03,05,08 Personally with the way teams setup now to counter the swarm/counter attack I'm confident it would greatly negate Tyrone's tactical advantage that they enjoyed in the 00's. As Sean said himself after playing Dublin in 2017 "That's the best team I've ever played against" I'd say he'd have a better take on things compared to Gormley. Sean walked the walk.. Gormley talks the talk. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 30/04/2018 12:08:39 2095693 Link 1 |
Tyrone did well to win 3 All-Irelands in a very competitive era when a lot of matches could not be taken for granted. In May 2002 Tyrone and Armagh had played two great matches in the Ulster Championship which Armagh edged and went onto win the All-Ireland. In May 2003 in the PR of the Ulster Championship the All-Ireland holders were beaten by Monaghan while a week later Tyrone in the successful year of 2003 scrapped a draw against Derry in the first round before being given the fright of their lives in the Ulster Final by Down. In 2004 the All-Ireland Champions were knocked out of Ulster by Donegal after battling past Derry and Fermanagh. 2005 saw Tyrone and Armagh clash twice in the Ulster Final before meeting again in one of the games of the decade in the All-Ireland Semi-final. In May 2006 the All-Ireland holders were beaten in the first round of Ulster by Derry. Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1780 - 30/04/2018 13:08:38 2095716 Link 1 |
Again Jim, no one is disagreeing with you, however 2004 was a very tough year for Tyrone and it was no great surprise they were beat early. They bounced back in 05 to show the team they really were luckily enough
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 30/04/2018 15:08:06 2095737 Link 1 |
Tough year cause they won Sam for the first time and obviously celebrated heavy after which is fair enough anything else is just an excuse.
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 30/04/2018 15:32:29 2095740 Link 0 |
Cormac McAnnallan
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 30/04/2018 15:36:31 2095741 Link 1 |
An excuse. I have this before with someone.
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 30/04/2018 16:13:30 2095746 Link 0 |
LeftHalfBack10 (Mayo) - Posts: 30 - 30/04/2018 17:01:36 2095760 Link 1 |
I'm certainly not getting into that debate with you. If that's your thoughts on that so be it.
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 30/04/2018 17:18:44 2095765 Link 1 |
Listen that was an out and out terrible thing to happen. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 30/04/2018 19:27:05 2095791 Link 0 |
Not the only year they were beaten early in the 00's though
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 30/04/2018 20:46:09 2095806 Link 2 |
For a team to lose their Captain and one who was such an inspirational player to those around him especially in those circumstances is going to have a huge effect on any team, throw in the fact this was the first time they had won Sam and this was all new made it even harder. They showed how good a team they were by refocusing and winning in 2005. If it happened to us what would you be saying. To say it was an excuse is ignorant to say the least. AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 30/04/2018 23:36:29 2095851 Link 0 |