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I want to start this by saying that Gaelic games are in good health. This isn't intended to be a moany thread.
The intercounty game is not suited to the future of the association that we are moving into.
Intercounty is a representative level of sport. You play for your home county, whether they be good or bad, regardless of your own personal standing in the game. Much like international soccer.
Like international soccer it isn't well suited to the bread and butter week in week out playing of the games.
Intercounty competition is exclusive. You've 65 squads of 30 players or so able to play intercounty competitions.
You've counties with vastly different populations and of different standards all just putting out one team.
There's a place for intercounty competition but it has to go back to being a representative level of the sport. We can all see the problems associated with the intercounty game dominating the landscape.
The intercounty game is hugely profitable though. We have to be pragmatic about things. All the coaching initiatives, development schemes and infrastructure spending are all reliant on the intercounty game and the money generated from it. That's what's causing the unhealthy balance at the heart of a lot of the problems in the association currently.
What I think the answer is that we need to develop the club game so that it can hold its own with the intercounty game.
I really think the future in the GAA is to have a National club league system. There would be free movement of players between clubs and players would be playing games week in week out at their level.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4232 - 21/04/2018 11:29:51
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Clubs would no longer play within their county system.
The vision would be that you'd have a National level club division.
Below that you'd have 4 Provincial leagues.
Below the Provincial leagues you'd have a regional league level.
In Munster and Connacht you'd maybe have 2 regions at this level.
In Ulster and Leinster 3 and 4 divisions at this level.
Below that you'd have the county league system.
Players are free to move between clubs. Players will move around to clubs at their own level.
Someone like Brian Fenton capable of playing at the very top level would move from his own club to a different club in Dublin who are part of the National division.
A top talent from a less traditionally strong county like a Declan Browne would be playing National club league level football.
You'd have multiple teams from the better counties competing is this top league.
You would keep the intercounty game but it would be played in a similar way to international soccer with breaks between the club action.
You could have a season from March to September. That's 31 weekends.
The National club league could have 18 teams playing a single round robin moving on to playoffs.
There'd be a system of promotion and relegation between the levels.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4232 - 21/04/2018 12:04:50
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Replying To Whammo86: "Clubs would no longer play within their county system.
The vision would be that you'd have a National level club division.
Below that you'd have 4 Provincial leagues.
Below the Provincial leagues you'd have a regional league level.
In Munster and Connacht you'd maybe have 2 regions at this level.
In Ulster and Leinster 3 and 4 divisions at this level.
Below that you'd have the county league system.
Players are free to move between clubs. Players will move around to clubs at their own level.
Someone like Brian Fenton capable of playing at the very top level would move from his own club to a different club in Dublin who are part of the National division.
A top talent from a less traditionally strong county like a Declan Browne would be playing National club league level football.
You'd have multiple teams from the better counties competing is this top league.
You would keep the intercounty game but it would be played in a similar way to international soccer with breaks between the club action.
You could have a season from March to September. That's 31 weekends.
The National club league could have 18 teams playing a single round robin moving on to playoffs.
There'd be a system of promotion and relegation between the levels." I have fantasized about this before with regards to developing a professional league. Paying every county player is not an option. Too many teams too many players not enough money. What I would do is keep everything as it is and create 8 new professional (or semi pro to begin with perhaps) clubs.
If you're good enough you have the option to sign for one of these teams. So the best players would get paid. A 14 game league season with ticket revenue from 7 home games enough to pay the lads an honest wage. Could easily structure it for a big finale in Croker too. I believe these teams would be well supported with the best players in the country facing each other every week. Obviously they continue to play for their county as normal too.
So you create this super league at the expense of local clubs losing their best players. Sure clubs play half their games without these guys anyway. Overall positive for the GAA imo.
Pantani (Dublin) - Posts: 48 - 21/04/2018 13:07:16
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Replying To Whammo86: "Clubs would no longer play within their county system.
The vision would be that you'd have a National level club division.
Below that you'd have 4 Provincial leagues.
Below the Provincial leagues you'd have a regional league level.
In Munster and Connacht you'd maybe have 2 regions at this level.
In Ulster and Leinster 3 and 4 divisions at this level.
Below that you'd have the county league system.
Players are free to move between clubs. Players will move around to clubs at their own level.
Someone like Brian Fenton capable of playing at the very top level would move from his own club to a different club in Dublin who are part of the National division.
A top talent from a less traditionally strong county like a Declan Browne would be playing National club league level football.
You'd have multiple teams from the better counties competing is this top league.
You would keep the intercounty game but it would be played in a similar way to international soccer with breaks between the club action.
You could have a season from March to September. That's 31 weekends.
The National club league could have 18 teams playing a single round robin moving on to playoffs.
There'd be a system of promotion and relegation between the levels." Interesting and well-thought analysis, but I think that system would simply not generate enough money to be sustainable.
I'm not sure if you're focusing on football exclusively, or hurling and football together, given that most GAA clubs promote both hurling and football. Is it your intention that hurling should be sacrificed to promote this new structure?
Let's assume that it's football only you're talking about. Most counties will have just two strong teams which might make this national league. At the moment I think it's highly unlikely that they would garner much support outside their own club hinterland; rivalries and loyalties are just too entrenched for that to happen. There might possibly be a bigger passive support but not the sort of support which would travel to watch them play. Income from a Club League would be vastly down from that of inter-county competitions.
Free movement of players between the clubs would almost certainly mean players being paid; otherwise why would they be move? Given that hurling would not have enough high-profile clubs to sustain a league of their own and that many dual players would choose the more lucrative football, hurling would decline even further.
You say retain inter-county competitions in a sort of secondary status, even though at the moment income from inter-county competitions far exceeds that of club competitions. Gradually the income from inter-county competitions would drastically reduce. Counties have people from myriad clubs following them; that sort of support can never be replicated a club level. It all boils down to money in the end and in this country that sort of money is not there.
Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 643 - 21/04/2018 13:18:21
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Replying To Midleton: "Interesting and well-thought analysis, but I think that system would simply not generate enough money to be sustainable.
I'm not sure if you're focusing on football exclusively, or hurling and football together, given that most GAA clubs promote both hurling and football. Is it your intention that hurling should be sacrificed to promote this new structure?
Let's assume that it's football only you're talking about. Most counties will have just two strong teams which might make this national league. At the moment I think it's highly unlikely that they would garner much support outside their own club hinterland; rivalries and loyalties are just too entrenched for that to happen. There might possibly be a bigger passive support but not the sort of support which would travel to watch them play. Income from a Club League would be vastly down from that of inter-county competitions.
Free movement of players between the clubs would almost certainly mean players being paid; otherwise why would they be move? Given that hurling would not have enough high-profile clubs to sustain a league of their own and that many dual players would choose the more lucrative football, hurling would decline even further.
You say retain inter-county competitions in a sort of secondary status, even though at the moment income from inter-county competitions far exceeds that of club competitions. Gradually the income from inter-county competitions would drastically reduce. Counties have people from myriad clubs following them; that sort of support can never be replicated a club level. It all boils down to money in the end and in this country that sort of money is not there." Players would move club to play at a higher level, that's the incentive.
The intercounty championships draw revenues from a very small number of games.
No club will have a following as large as the bigger county teams but they could still generate strong revenues between them.
You'd have a decent amount of consolidation of clubs. I don't think everyone would like this but it could be good for the game.
Dublin alone could support multiple teams with strong following. You wouldn't be surprised if big Dublin derbies could attract up to 20-30k+ supporters.
Suppose a Crossmaglen were in the National club league. They could have quite a large catchment area, extending into Monaghan and Cavan.
I wouldn't see the intercounty game as becoming a secondary level.
Even with the free movement of players it'd be hard to see a club team better than the current Dublin team. So the intercounty game would still be a huge draw. Much like the World Cup is a big draw in soccer.
This idea is about getting the balance back into the game. I also don't think it's a good idea for the GAA to have such a dominant revenue stream and you can see that in the way that intercounty needs dictate decisions in the game.
I'd think Hurling should also have this system. No reason not to. It would make it hard to have dual players and that's one of the bigger drawbacks.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4232 - 21/04/2018 20:31:42
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You're definately thinking outside the box on this one. It's radical and innovative. It simply will never get through though due to finance and the will of GAA members.
I think there's more GAA players in Munster than there is in Ulster yet you see Ulster supporting 3 to 4 teams..cant see that happening. Munster the province with the most All Irelands and the heart of the GAA could maybe sustain some sort of Semi pro hurling clubs but you've only got Kerry in the football who could sustain one. The money isn't there. The counties don't follow Gaelic football. The reverse is true for the rest of the Island with hurling in second place.
The GAA is at its pinnacle in playing standards right now and it's unsustainable. I see standards slowly decreasing when the push for professionalism reaches its inevitable end . It cant happen because professionalism needs outside money..its not on a 6 million person island with a million plus unionists, 3/4s of a million Dubs and others not interested in GAA.We can barely support 4 professional rugby teams whi have an international window and foreign tv money.There will be a realignment and the volunteerism and community based ethos will be reinvigorated. If the sport can't go pro it 'll go back to less training ..less matches and that's fine
PeggyShippen (Limerick) - Posts: 300 - 21/04/2018 21:57:24
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Replying To PeggyShippen: "You're definately thinking outside the box on this one. It's radical and innovative. It simply will never get through though due to finance and the will of GAA members.
I think there's more GAA players in Munster than there is in Ulster yet you see Ulster supporting 3 to 4 teams..cant see that happening. Munster the province with the most All Irelands and the heart of the GAA could maybe sustain some sort of Semi pro hurling clubs but you've only got Kerry in the football who could sustain one. The money isn't there. The counties don't follow Gaelic football. The reverse is true for the rest of the Island with hurling in second place.
The GAA is at its pinnacle in playing standards right now and it's unsustainable. I see standards slowly decreasing when the push for professionalism reaches its inevitable end . It cant happen because professionalism needs outside money..its not on a 6 million person island with a million plus unionists, 3/4s of a million Dubs and others not interested in GAA.We can barely support 4 professional rugby teams whi have an international window and foreign tv money.There will be a realignment and the volunteerism and community based ethos will be reinvigorated. If the sport can't go pro it 'll go back to less training ..less matches and that's fine" I don't think I explained the system correctly.
The clubs playing in this National club league would be existing clubs.
Say there were 18 teams in the football league they'd be made up of the best 18 teams from the whole country.
In hurling the same would happen. You would' have the same clubs in hurling as you would in football.
The system would have to be worked towards over a number of years.
I'd probably look to introduce Provincial leagues first. The whole point of the idea is to remove the restrictions that limit how big club sides can grow.
For me these are the limits on the movement of players and the organisation of club competitions at a local level.
There is no great incentive to leave your home club when you'd be playing in the same club competitions anyway. To move to a better team with more chance of success is just not done in GAA.
If clubs were operating at completely different competitive levels there'd be less stigma around moving clubs.
A player wouldn't be moving to a rival, they'd be moving to a team at a higher level.
This is only thinking outside the box from a GAA context. Every other sport operates in this way.
Their is no reason why a National club league couldn't work in Gaelic games. They have them in basketball etc.
You'd also be taking the club fixtures out of the hands of county boards, so there'd be less control of the club game by the intercounty game.
A top club in GAA over time could grow to be bigger than county teams. Look at soccer, the top clubs have a global catchment of players. Barcelona are bigger than Brazil.
The World Cup though can still exist alongside and hold its own against club soccer.
I'd say a version of this sort of model in GAA is what could work for the game in the future.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4232 - 22/04/2018 09:22:40
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Replying To PeggyShippen: "You're definately thinking outside the box on this one. It's radical and innovative. It simply will never get through though due to finance and the will of GAA members.
I think there's more GAA players in Munster than there is in Ulster yet you see Ulster supporting 3 to 4 teams..cant see that happening. Munster the province with the most All Irelands and the heart of the GAA could maybe sustain some sort of Semi pro hurling clubs but you've only got Kerry in the football who could sustain one. The money isn't there. The counties don't follow Gaelic football. The reverse is true for the rest of the Island with hurling in second place.
The GAA is at its pinnacle in playing standards right now and it's unsustainable. I see standards slowly decreasing when the push for professionalism reaches its inevitable end . It cant happen because professionalism needs outside money..its not on a 6 million person island with a million plus unionists, 3/4s of a million Dubs and others not interested in GAA.We can barely support 4 professional rugby teams whi have an international window and foreign tv money.There will be a realignment and the volunteerism and community based ethos will be reinvigorated. If the sport can't go pro it 'll go back to less training ..less matches and that's fine" I think this could help widen the catchment areas of both games also.
Suppose you are a talented juvenile in Mayo who likes hurling more than football but it comes the time when you have to choose between the 2 sports. You're going to choose football because that's the avenue of most success.
What if you could move hurling clubs and get the opportunity to play in the National club hurling league for a team from Galway.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4232 - 22/04/2018 09:32:51
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This doesn't happen overnight. There would have to be a pathway towards it.
You would have to break clubs out of their county league system.
Setup Provincial leagues. The fixtures of these leagues can be harmonised around the county game.
The games in these leagues won't be rearranged to meet the needs of a county team but they won't be administered by a county board. Fixtures get played.
These leagues alone would be able to compete with the intercounty game. They'd be an opportunity for players to play at a high standard away from the county game, with regular fixtures.
There'd be the chance of success and prestige that at present can only be dreamt of by players from Dublin, Mayo and Kerry.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4232 - 22/04/2018 09:47:02
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Right I understand what you are saying now. I see the merits of it for certain. You'd have the top clubs and let them off the leash to expand and grow. I think it could work but I think these top Clubs would need renaming and branding. I 'll tell you why.
N.a. Piarsaigh in Limerick being one example. Outside of their area they are admired and disliked in equal measure. Within their catchment area theres still resentment rightly or wrongly that their founding led to the demise of the once great Treaty Sarsfields of Thomondgate
. Also they were founded by outsiders from outside Limerick and have kept a distinct ethos. Their name excludes others who aren't Nationalist . So for them to become the superclub in Limerick would take a huge push.
I think totally new clubs would be needed untethered to the past but carrying on a tradition. Again the financial situation would dictate everything. Where's the money coming from?
PeggyShippen (Limerick) - Posts: 300 - 22/04/2018 09:53:15
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Replying To PeggyShippen: "Right I understand what you are saying now. I see the merits of it for certain. You'd have the top clubs and let them off the leash to expand and grow. I think it could work but I think these top Clubs would need renaming and branding. I 'll tell you why.
N.a. Piarsaigh in Limerick being one example. Outside of their area they are admired and disliked in equal measure. Within their catchment area theres still resentment rightly or wrongly that their founding led to the demise of the once great Treaty Sarsfields of Thomondgate
. Also they were founded by outsiders from outside Limerick and have kept a distinct ethos. Their name excludes others who aren't Nationalist . So for them to become the superclub in Limerick would take a huge push.
I think totally new clubs would be needed untethered to the past but carrying on a tradition. Again the financial situation would dictate everything. Where's the money coming from?" I think it would need to be grown naturally over time.
The games would generate income, clubs would go out and look for sponsorship in the same way that county teams do now. They'd just have the exposure to do so as they'd be playing in a National League system.
There'd be less of a reliance on central council to be funding development projects. The largest clubs themselves would be incentivised to go out into their own catchment areas to run coaching initiatives. It'd be taken into their own hands.
I'd just want to point out I'm not an advocate of a professional league.
I'd just want the club system to be able to hold it's on against the intercounty game which is completely dominating it at the minute.
It's not a healthy situation at present where the needs of such a small group dictate the conditions for everyone else in the game.
In the instance of Na Piarsigh, their reputation could hold them back. They may be the best team in Munster under the conditions now but it could be that they wouldn't be well suited to this new system and another club would overtake them and own that catchment area.
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I'd be a believer in letting the landscape evolve. It'd be interesting to see which clubs grow out of the new conditions.
In football you could see the likes of Crossmaglen and Cavan Gaels competing for players around the Cavan, Armagh, Monaghan area. You'd see Saint Brigid's and Castlebar Mitchels competing for players also. Who knows how it would change the Dublin club landscape.
Some of these Dublin clubs could represent an area with up to 200k people.
They could see large numbers attending their fixtures.
A big thing also to note is that the intercounty game doesn't generate particularly huge revenues.
In 2016 the football championship made 15m or so in revenue, the hurling championship made 8m or so. The National Leagues made 3m or so each.
The top flight in LoI can make revenues of €10m excluding money coming from participating in UEFA competitions.
Is there a reason why GAA super clubs can't have revenues to match LoI soccer clubs.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4232 - 22/04/2018 10:43:24
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Whatever about local clubs/volunteers losing players to county teams for a period of time I think losing them to "super clubs" would kill the game at grass roots. Well thought out scheme but I don't think that what's the GAA is about
lillyboy (Kildare) - Posts: 429 - 22/04/2018 12:53:48
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Its hard have an elite club system in many parts of this country when clubs struggle to field teams and underage teams have to be imalgamate with a nearby team to be able to find the numbers to field a team ,I do get what your saying but in rural parts of this country when people have to move to a city like Galway Dublin cork limerick etc for work etc how are rural clubs expected to have an elite club system the people and the finances are not there
Galwayjoe86 (Galway) - Posts: 258 - 22/04/2018 13:35:25
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Replying To lillyboy: "Whatever about local clubs/volunteers losing players to county teams for a period of time I think losing them to "super clubs" would kill the game at grass roots. Well thought out scheme but I don't think that what's the GAA is about" I don't think it'd hurt the game at grassroots.
It doesn't in soccer or rugby.
Players move on and upward no big deal, it happens in all sports why is it frowned upon in GAA.
Clubs would lose players from bigger clubs but they'd also gain players from big clubs who aren't going to make their first team.
Right now players do transfer from their home club and the world continues on. I'd just think it'd be good if it were more the norm.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4232 - 22/04/2018 13:46:30
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This is pie in the sky stuff. If you want a more level playing field for clubs, it is very simple, have two distinct & seperate seasons for club & Inter County & shorten the Inter County scene. If you want more equitable funding, then Croke Park should cut funding to Provincial councils, GPA & Inter county teams & distribute that money cut to clubs. Also do away with all the affiliation & registration fees crippling clubs. It's not rocket science, but the Gaa with all its politics has complicated everything. You want the 2300 plus clubs that are the bedrock of the Gaa & volunteerism to be done away with to host five elite divisions in conjunction with running an Inter County set up. Things are bad for club players but this elitism would ensure that in your proposed set up the number of clubs surviving would be slashed. The transfer system you propose would ensure that weaker clubs particularly in rural areas would fold. The Dublin region would dominate everything. Who is going to run these National & provincial club leagues, ref them, fund them, rule on transfers etc. You have added more elitism & red tape & another layer of bureaucracy & management to a situation that is already complicated. What's needed in the Gaa is straight talking, the Gaa can't do that in case it offends some one. Its like Paraic Duffy talking about the scourge of clubs/counties paying managers, he had 10 years in power to do something on this, yet he did nothing. In one sweep, the Gaa could solve this by making clubs submit all payments made to individuals to Revenue. Clubs & club officers that don't declare honestly to be subject to large fines & names published. If they brought Revenue in to tackle the large sums of money some guys are making & not declaring they would blitz it & eradicate the problem in no time. Job done, but no they would never do that as there would have been several high profile names some even in the highest positions of power that would have been exposed. The Gaa is a tangled web of politics & everything is mired in complication even solutions such as yours, when all that is needed is straight talking & the simple solutions before their eyes.
moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 22/04/2018 13:49:10
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Replying To moc.dna: "This is pie in the sky stuff. If you want a more level playing field for clubs, it is very simple, have two distinct & seperate seasons for club & Inter County & shorten the Inter County scene. If you want more equitable funding, then Croke Park should cut funding to Provincial councils, GPA & Inter county teams & distribute that money cut to clubs. Also do away with all the affiliation & registration fees crippling clubs. It's not rocket science, but the Gaa with all its politics has complicated everything. You want the 2300 plus clubs that are the bedrock of the Gaa & volunteerism to be done away with to host five elite divisions in conjunction with running an Inter County set up. Things are bad for club players but this elitism would ensure that in your proposed set up the number of clubs surviving would be slashed. The transfer system you propose would ensure that weaker clubs particularly in rural areas would fold. The Dublin region would dominate everything. Who is going to run these National & provincial club leagues, ref them, fund them, rule on transfers etc. You have added more elitism & red tape & another layer of bureaucracy & management to a situation that is already complicated. What's needed in the Gaa is straight talking, the Gaa can't do that in case it offends some one. Its like Paraic Duffy talking about the scourge of clubs/counties paying managers, he had 10 years in power to do something on this, yet he did nothing. In one sweep, the Gaa could solve this by making clubs submit all payments made to individuals to Revenue. Clubs & club officers that don't declare honestly to be subject to large fines & names published. If they brought Revenue in to tackle the large sums of money some guys are making & not declaring they would blitz it & eradicate the problem in no time. Job done, but no they would never do that as there would have been several high profile names some even in the highest positions of power that would have been exposed. The Gaa is a tangled web of politics & everything is mired in complication even solutions such as yours, when all that is needed is straight talking & the simple solutions before their eyes." This is pie in the sky stuff. If you want a more level playing field for clubs, it is very simple, have two distinct & seperate seasons for club & Inter County & shorten the Inter County scene. If you want more equitable funding, then Croke Park should cut funding to Provincial councils, GPA & Inter county teams & distribute that money cut to clubs.
That's pie in the sky stuff there.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4232 - 22/04/2018 14:01:51
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This horse has bolted. We could have this reality today had the GAA stuck with the "club- representing-county" model that operated in the early years of its foundation but it went (with good reason at the time) with the intercounty model instead.
Gaa people are not suddenly -- or even gradually -- going to gain allegiance to an elite club within their county or catchment area. When the club All Ireland's clashed with the Grand Slam rugby match you had plenty of GAA posters on here saying that theyd watch the rugby cos their allegiance was to country first, then county, and club was in a lowly 3rd place. Super elite clubs will not command the same degree of allegiance as a small parish based club. Even me, I was one of the 15k small crowd that attended the club finals. but I went primarily to see the hurling game, not the football, and it doesn't matter how elite or how attractive a football style they have, I couldn't see myself ever having more than a general county interest in Corofin, great and all as it is to see them win it.
Had a model such as this been in place prior to elite professional sport taking root in Ireland over the past 15 years, yes it would have had a fighting chance of working. but don't see it as a runner now. As Peggy Shippen says, if GAA can't go pro it will go back to less training less matches and that maybe is the route the club game will go -- more about participation and enjoyment -- in GAA terms its USP being that it becomes the antithesis of the seriousness and professionalism of the intercounty game
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1904 - 22/04/2018 14:11:20
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Why is elitism such a dirty word in the GAA.
Why do people play sport if not to be the best.
In my system plenty of clubs will fold.
That's a good thing.
The club should be there for the player let them choose who they play for.
This is a big problem in the GAA.
Clubs, counties, universities think they own players and they should all be able to get a piece of them.
It's failing players.
If a club doesn't survive you know what maybe it shouldn't survive.
The county system fails players from weaker counties where they don't get a realistic shot at playing at the top level. It's fails huge numbers of players in the strong counties where the best level they play is senior club.
The county board system fails clubs too by not giving them a proper.
As for administration and referees etc it would be run in a very similar manner to Rugby and soccer that have very similar systems in place.
It's a real quirk of the roots of the GAA and Ireland's history as a poor rural country that has the current structures in place.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4232 - 22/04/2018 14:11:23
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"In my system plenty of clubs will fold, that's a good thing", wow ! you also advocate that sport is all about being the best. Sport is about participation & enjoyment & your advocating the opposite, what a load of I'll thought out nonsense over several essays of posts. You throw a glancing reply to the question posed as to the administration & reffing of these five elite league competitions by saying they would be run as in the rugby model, what's that ? Where's the detail to back up your proposal. It's such a contradiction to be complaining about the elitism of Inter County to them go & propose an even more elite system at club level with massive closures of clubs & less people participating, lol.
moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 22/04/2018 14:35:14
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Replying To moc.dna: ""In my system plenty of clubs will fold, that's a good thing", wow ! you also advocate that sport is all about being the best. Sport is about participation & enjoyment & your advocating the opposite, what a load of I'll thought out nonsense over several essays of posts. You throw a glancing reply to the question posed as to the administration & reffing of these five elite league competitions by saying they would be run as in the rugby model, what's that ? Where's the detail to back up your proposal. It's such a contradiction to be complaining about the elitism of Inter County to them go & propose an even more elite system at club level with massive closures of clubs & less people participating, lol." Who says anything about fewer people participating?
If a club folds the players can go play for a different club.
The big problem at the minute is that people aren't able to get games.
People are turning away from the games because of no fixtures.
I'm not against the game being played at a high level.
I'm against it being at the exclusion of all others.
I don't understand why you think it would be impossible to administer?
You'd have the individual leagues administrate the games as is done in other sports.
It couldn't be done tomorrow, but it can definitely be done.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4232 - 22/04/2018 15:00:37
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