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Monaghan v Tyrone - Ulster SFC

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I think that if Tyrone are allowed to express themselves like they did towards the end of the league then they will win easy enough.

I actually think Tyrone are in a perfect position at the moment. They are being totally written off in terms of the race for the All Ireland due to their complete no show in last years semi final.

But people forget how handy they dismissed all other competitors prior to their game against Dublin.

Tyrone have some very dangerous players and when they actually play football they are a match for anyone. If they bring this attitude against a very limited Monaghan team then I think we could see them put up a cricket score and win with a margin of 6-10 points.

lambofgod (Mayo) - Posts: 74 - 16/04/2018 13:52:13    2093281

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will be a tight game with the winner by less than three points and decided by who takes their long range scores better

detruth (Monaghan) - Posts: 152 - 16/04/2018 14:01:01    2093288

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Huge game for us. Tyrone seem to always be our benchmark and apart from 14 usually have had our measure. They are in top 4 teams we are back in 5th or 6th and really need to beat them to stake our claims to get to next level.Both the players and the supporters know this.Their best line the pacey half backs really come into their own when they get a lead on teams and can attack from deep. If Tyrone get a 3 or 4 pt lead during first half game is over as they are masters at defending on mass and shutting teams out. They got suckered punched by the Dubs last year with early goal panicked and never recovered. Hopefully K Hughes starts at full forward and we really go at them as if we sit back and start all cagey we are toast. Both teams employ similar set ups but their interplay is faster and more effective although we have a stronger forward line. Will need huge games from likes of McCarthy and McCarron as McManus will be well occupied from open play. They have the talent but this type of match will need them to step up and play with strong character as will be a cauldron. Discipline crucial also as we will need 15 players for the 70 to win this and avoid giving away silly frees especially with Brennan now established free taker. We had a good league but Tyrone caught the eye towards the end with wins over Mayo and Kerry and have to be strong favourites given they walked Ulster and we were fairly disappointing last year. There's a win in us in Omagh no doubt but it would have to be a nail bitter with a lot of stuff going right. Heart says us but head reckons Tyrone will establish early lead and we will just fall short in finish up.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1260 - 16/04/2018 14:07:02    2093289

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To have any hope, I think Monaghan need to seriously address disipline issues. If Tyrone can goad a few Monaghan defenders into commiting yellow or black card offences early, it's a slippery slope. The reverse, of course, holds true but it's certainly something that was a feature of the early league matches this year for Monaghan and something that needs to be eradicated.

If Monaghan can coax best perfromance out of all their players, I think they're better than Tyrone but 'off' days (or off-seasons!) have plauged them indicvidually or as a team in recent years so my confidence is not high in that regard.

TearsIn85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 53 - 16/04/2018 15:50:12    2093327

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Replying To seanfinn:  "Not sure you have watched much of either team with the above statements. Tyrone did get stronger in the league but Monaghan finished it better. Tyrone are not the 3rd best in the country either....Championship form says they are a bit further back in 4th. They proved they were a distant 4th last year. McManus has been double marked in every game for years....hasn't done that much to stop him. Monaghan should be hard to beat in fairness and Tyrone do offer pace in half forwards, midfield and some at half back but nothing that Monaghan shouldnt be able to deal with. I don't see the scoring getting nearly as high 1-18 for Tyrone or Monaghan. I think the margin, either way, will be a point."
My point being Tyrone got stronger as the league went on but where still imo nowhere near there best. Monaghan had a great league including beating a Dublin team looking at the league final. I am not sure Monaghan will improve much from what we have seen. Tyrone on the other hand seem to be targeting this game and we will see Tyrone at full tilt. Monaghan are a very impressive team!! I just think they lack pace in key areas and will concentrate on direct football which will be good to watch!! If Tyrone can win a high number of turnovers in their own defence; this will set them up to attack from deep with pace and numbers. To win this game Monaghan need to ensure the balls into McManus and other forwards are accurate! However I think Tyrone will turn over at least 50pc of Monaghan's attacks and will outdo Monaghan with there pace and power. It will be a cracking game and I think the winner of this wins Ulster!

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 334 - 16/04/2018 19:16:00    2093374

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Replying To sam1884:  "My point being Tyrone got stronger as the league went on but where still imo nowhere near there best. Monaghan had a great league including beating a Dublin team looking at the league final. I am not sure Monaghan will improve much from what we have seen. Tyrone on the other hand seem to be targeting this game and we will see Tyrone at full tilt. Monaghan are a very impressive team!! I just think they lack pace in key areas and will concentrate on direct football which will be good to watch!! If Tyrone can win a high number of turnovers in their own defence; this will set them up to attack from deep with pace and numbers. To win this game Monaghan need to ensure the balls into McManus and other forwards are accurate! However I think Tyrone will turn over at least 50pc of Monaghan's attacks and will outdo Monaghan with there pace and power. It will be a cracking game and I think the winner of this wins Ulster!"
Very accurate assessment and possibly will turn out that way

prideof85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 746 - 16/04/2018 20:47:49    2093397

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Replying To sam1884:  "My point being Tyrone got stronger as the league went on but where still imo nowhere near there best. Monaghan had a great league including beating a Dublin team looking at the league final. I am not sure Monaghan will improve much from what we have seen. Tyrone on the other hand seem to be targeting this game and we will see Tyrone at full tilt. Monaghan are a very impressive team!! I just think they lack pace in key areas and will concentrate on direct football which will be good to watch!! If Tyrone can win a high number of turnovers in their own defence; this will set them up to attack from deep with pace and numbers. To win this game Monaghan need to ensure the balls into McManus and other forwards are accurate! However I think Tyrone will turn over at least 50pc of Monaghan's attacks and will outdo Monaghan with there pace and power. It will be a cracking game and I think the winner of this wins Ulster!"
Fair enough Sam and I do think Tyrone will improve too but I just don't see them as contenders for the big prize at all. They have not shown enough to tell me they could deal with a Dublin team in the latter stages...They almost gave a mirror image performance against them last year in the semis to ours in the quarters. I think the gap in championship terms between them and Dublin, Mayo and Kerry is wider than it is between us and them.

Monaghan did not play a full strength side until the last game of the league so I expect there is a bit to go there too...

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 355 - 16/04/2018 21:47:33    2093415

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Big admirer of Monaghan. Would have to fancy Tyrone at home but should be a proper match, As a neutral Id like to see Monaghan get a big win in croke park this year something they Badly need. Always felt the big three Dubs,Mayo and Kerry are not at full pelt by a long way in league whereas Monaghan are and maybe It leaves them spent going deep into summer.

salvador (Roscommon) - Posts: 439 - 16/04/2018 23:18:52    2093429

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Replying To gotmilk:  "Prolonging the inevitable exit for either of these sides when they come against the mighty Fermanagh in the semi final"
Fermanagh play the ugliest brand of football in Ulster and Armagh will expose ur defensive nonsense. Armagh v Tyrone semi final should be tasty

fatkeeper (Dublin) - Posts: 213 - 17/04/2018 00:05:15    2093433

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Replying To fatkeeper:  "Fermanagh play the ugliest brand of football in Ulster and Armagh will expose ur defensive nonsense. Armagh v Tyrone semi final should be tasty"
How many Fermanagh games have you seen from Dublin? Lol

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4844 - 17/04/2018 10:42:53    2093467

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Replying To seanfinn:  "Fair enough Sam and I do think Tyrone will improve too but I just don't see them as contenders for the big prize at all. They have not shown enough to tell me they could deal with a Dublin team in the latter stages...They almost gave a mirror image performance against them last year in the semis to ours in the quarters. I think the gap in championship terms between them and Dublin, Mayo and Kerry is wider than it is between us and them.

Monaghan did not play a full strength side until the last game of the league so I expect there is a bit to go there too..."
Whilst I think Tyrone will beat Monaghan; I'd agree with you regarding the All Ireland. Kerry are a media team that will be exposed again in Croke Park, Tyrone would beat Kerry comfortably. However when all teams are at peak fitness Dublin and Mayo are still out in front, and Tyrone will beat neither of these teams. Don't worry too much about Kerry, I would fancy Monaghan to turn Kerry this year tbh, the reason they are mentioned is due to history but they are a very average team and certainly not in the top 3!! They would struggle to make the super 8 if they had the draw Monaghan or Galway/Mayo got.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 334 - 17/04/2018 11:59:08    2093487

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What's the predicted starting 15s?

Breffni39 (Cavan) - Posts: 11488 - 17/04/2018 12:04:49    2093489

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Replying To sam1884:  "Whilst I think Tyrone will beat Monaghan; I'd agree with you regarding the All Ireland. Kerry are a media team that will be exposed again in Croke Park, Tyrone would beat Kerry comfortably. However when all teams are at peak fitness Dublin and Mayo are still out in front, and Tyrone will beat neither of these teams. Don't worry too much about Kerry, I would fancy Monaghan to turn Kerry this year tbh, the reason they are mentioned is due to history but they are a very average team and certainly not in the top 3!! They would struggle to make the super 8 if they had the draw Monaghan or Galway/Mayo got."
Well again championship form would say different on Kerry...

They took Mayo to a draw last year in the semi final before losing out by 5 points. The have serious attacking threat in Geaney, O'Donoghue and now young Clifford (it might be a bit soon).

Of course they are media favourites but thats not unfounded, they have been there or thereabouts for the last 5 years (appearing at SF stage each year, winning in sam in 2014). Tyrone havent looked a threat in the same way for years.

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 355 - 17/04/2018 13:05:34    2093522

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Replying To seanfinn:  "Well again championship form would say different on Kerry...

They took Mayo to a draw last year in the semi final before losing out by 5 points. The have serious attacking threat in Geaney, O'Donoghue and now young Clifford (it might be a bit soon).

Of course they are media favourites but thats not unfounded, they have been there or thereabouts for the last 5 years (appearing at SF stage each year, winning in sam in 2014). Tyrone havent looked a threat in the same way for years."
Mayo went into that semi final after a number of intense games and Kerry were very fresh. When Kerry were not quite as fresh in the reply; Mayo won easily enough. The system dicates that Kerry will come into the super 8 fresh so of course they will be dangerous. 2014 was four years ago; a lifetime in Championship football, they have been competitive here and there since but in reality have not looked like winning the All Ireland. Tyrone have been building and are getting close, if they were to play Kerry in a big Championship game this season; I would fancy Tyrone to come out on top. As I said though Dublin and a fully fit Mayo team are two great sides and the winners will come from these two. My top 3 are Tyrone, Mayo and Dublin. If Galway and Monaghan can stay fresh after a great league, I would put these two 4th and 5th. The worry I have for Monaghan and Galway is they will likely face four intense games after first round defeats which is unfair in many ways.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 334 - 17/04/2018 13:54:25    2093549

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Replying To seanfinn:  "Fair enough Sam and I do think Tyrone will improve too but I just don't see them as contenders for the big prize at all. They have not shown enough to tell me they could deal with a Dublin team in the latter stages...They almost gave a mirror image performance against them last year in the semis to ours in the quarters. I think the gap in championship terms between them and Dublin, Mayo and Kerry is wider than it is between us and them.

Monaghan did not play a full strength side until the last game of the league so I expect there is a bit to go there too..."
Monaghan didn't start with full strength side in last game of league !

Shelbourne (Monaghan) - Posts: 567 - 17/04/2018 21:54:49    2093675

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Replying To Shelbourne:  "Monaghan didn't start with full strength side in last game of league !"
I never side we started one Shel, but what I would consider our best 15 did take the field that day (some from the Bench)

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 355 - 17/04/2018 22:42:06    2093684

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Can only see a Tyrone win here after looking at what might be the starting line ups I just can't see the Farney getting out of this one alive ...Home advantage will be massive and Tyrone people are very confident as always!

I was told the other day to back 3 draws after normal time in the championship 1st round This ,Galway v Mayo and Louth and carlow.

As much as I fancy Tyrone I might just sling a fiver on the impossible treble! Should be about 720/1 ;-) ;-)

BigJohn.6_8 (Galway) - Posts: 699 - 18/04/2018 11:46:22    2093761

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It'll be a tight hard hitting affair. I'd just have to side with Tyrone though. They seem to have the edge in championship football over Monaghan. That being said, a Monaghan win wouldn't be a shock either.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 6034 - 18/04/2018 13:55:39    2093792

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Replying To BigJohn.6_8:  "Can only see a Tyrone win here after looking at what might be the starting line ups I just can't see the Farney getting out of this one alive ...Home advantage will be massive and Tyrone people are very confident as always!

I was told the other day to back 3 draws after normal time in the championship 1st round This ,Galway v Mayo and Louth and carlow.

As much as I fancy Tyrone I might just sling a fiver on the impossible treble! Should be about 720/1 ;-) ;-)"
Good to see the Galway people putting there opinion forward after one good league run. I think Galway's summer could be short. Poor discipline and when Dublin defenders got back quickly to mark your forwards they disappeared out of the league final.

mon07 (Monaghan) - Posts: 139 - 19/04/2018 18:48:29    2094011

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Replying To seanfinn:  "I never side we started one Shel, but what I would consider our best 15 did take the field that day (some from the Bench)"
You should have said that in the first place !

Shelbourne (Monaghan) - Posts: 567 - 19/04/2018 23:58:03    2094053

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