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Replying To TheUsername: "So if some players don't get the opportunity to play in provincal, semi or all Ireland finals they are largely playing lower level opposititiin thus are they competing against the very best of opposition quality. Big fish in small pond etc. Just seems to me people are saying I saw so and so and they never played in big games, but they were great player, why? Because people saw them and they looked good, doesn't seem to be any standard attached just loose opinion.. Just playing devils advocate here." no all it seems is you are belittling the achievements and abilities of players on weaker counties who have 0 hope of winning an all ireland and you know it...we have multiple all ireland winners who wouldnt lace their boots alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 30/03/2018 23:50:09 2089630 Link
Replying To seanie_boy: "Wouldn't even bother myself arguing about this nonsense if I was a Dub. Diarmuid Connolly is one of the best players of his generation and he'd still be so if he played for any other county. He wouldn't get the same accolades and wouldn't have the same amount of titles no doubt but he'd still be the great footballer he is. And to add a little more clarity to the issue,todays great players such as Diarmuid Connolly,and players from other county's such as Seán Cavanagh or Aidan O' Shea,are the greatest bunch of players ever in Gaelic football." id have to put sean cavanagh above those, best player i think iv ever seen or top 3-4 anyway...really carried a limited tyrone forward line in 2008 also alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 30/03/2018 23:51:38 2089632 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "Which brings us back to the greatness of players like Connolly glad we've gone full circle." If you read my previous posts- I have said before that Connelly is a great player and would have been in any era - have not seen a better one in the last 6 years. browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 31/03/2018 10:25:21 2089653 Link
Replying To alano12: "no all it seems is you are belittling the achievements and abilities of players on weaker counties who have 0 hope of winning an all ireland and you know it...we have multiple all ireland winners who wouldnt lace their boots" Thanks mate, very little added to the debate, i dont think its your role to provide loos guesses or commentary on what the intentions of others in their posts may be. Try sticking t the topic at hand, TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 31/03/2018 10:40:18 2089656 Link
It is serious arrogance to suggest that a player cannot be rated as great because he played with a weaker team. I'm not old enough to comment on Connor and Early but I can comment on the best forward I have ever seen...Gooch???? No.....Canavan??? No....DECLAN BROWNE! The best forward I have seen by a mile. Literally no weaknesses in his game. Both feet, long range shooting, quick and very tough. Played with a weak team and usually came up against a Kerry team on the way to a Celtic Cross or a Cork team that may have a few only for Kerry. Not many will remember him but he was the best forward in the country for a period of 2-3 years! breakingball22 (Louth) - Posts: 419 - 31/03/2018 11:14:29 2089662 Link
Replying To breakingball22: "It is serious arrogance to suggest that a player cannot be rated as great because he played with a weaker team. I'm not old enough to comment on Connor and Early but I can comment on the best forward I have ever seen...Gooch???? No.....Canavan??? No....DECLAN BROWNE! The best forward I have seen by a mile. Literally no weaknesses in his game. Both feet, long range shooting, quick and very tough. Played with a weak team and usually came up against a Kerry team on the way to a Celtic Cross or a Cork team that may have a few only for Kerry. Not many will remember him but he was the best forward in the country for a period of 2-3 years!" Ya but look at who's trying to make that claim why (Kildare) - Posts: 142 - 31/03/2018 11:32:22 2089666 Link
Replying To breakingball22: "It is serious arrogance to suggest that a player cannot be rated as great because he played with a weaker team. I'm not old enough to comment on Connor and Early but I can comment on the best forward I have ever seen...Gooch???? No.....Canavan??? No....DECLAN BROWNE! The best forward I have seen by a mile. Literally no weaknesses in his game. Both feet, long range shooting, quick and very tough. Played with a weak team and usually came up against a Kerry team on the way to a Celtic Cross or a Cork team that may have a few only for Kerry. Not many will remember him but he was the best forward in the country for a period of 2-3 years!" Agree Declan Browne was pure Class dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 541 - 31/03/2018 13:42:57 2089687 Link
Replying To alano12: "no all it seems is you are belittling the achievements and abilities of players on weaker counties who have 0 hope of winning an all ireland and you know it...we have multiple all ireland winners who wouldnt lace their boots" I think it's pointless even replying to someone who has their head stuck up their ass.To say a footballer isn't great unless he has an All Ireland medal is ridiculous dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 541 - 31/03/2018 13:49:00 2089690 Link
No one is questioning Diarmuid Connolly as a great player, he will be down as a great player..there is great players that have not won an All-Ireland and i think its ridiculous to say they not considered great just because the team they are on were not good enought to win. To go by All-Ireland wins then to me thats a greatness of a team, not so much for when talking about an individual player tommy132 (Mayo) - Posts: 602 - 31/03/2018 14:07:19 2089693 Link
Alano To suggest Mayo are a great side without even winning a national title or Connacht title for the past two years is just not an accurate description. They have proven they probably don't have what it takes. Great teams win. Not lose multiple finals in a row they could/should have won. That's the opposite of great. Great teams seize their opportunities. It is rather simple to understand. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 31/03/2018 15:03:11 2089698 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "Alano To suggest Mayo are a great side without even winning a national title or Connacht title for the past two years is just not an accurate description. They have proven they probably don't have what it takes. Great teams win. Not lose multiple finals in a row they could/should have won. That's the opposite of great. Great teams seize their opportunities. It is rather simple to understand." Mayo have over achieved for a long time..forwards have always and seems to be will always be the problem..you say they lost finals they should/could have won so does that take a bit away from Dublins greatness, as they havent beaten a great team? tommy132 (Mayo) - Posts: 602 - 31/03/2018 15:33:54 2089702 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "Alano To suggest Mayo are a great side without even winning a national title or Connacht title for the past two years is just not an accurate description. They have proven they probably don't have what it takes. Great teams win. Not lose multiple finals in a row they could/should have won. That's the opposite of great. Great teams seize their opportunities. It is rather simple to understand." Why have you changed to talking about Mayo? Were you not ranting about players? why (Kildare) - Posts: 142 - 31/03/2018 15:46:39 2089705 Link
Replying To why: "Why have you changed to talking about Mayo? Were you not ranting about players?" No I wasn't. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 31/03/2018 16:49:22 2089719 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "No I wasn't." I'll just let these here for you.... ''I don't know.. Surely heavily influencing 3 AI final results in your favour makes you a great player no?'' ''The same Denis who played big parts in winning the AI in 2011 and when introduced turned the game in 2013 setting up BB for a tap in not long after AM's goal.. He also had a good game in the 2015 final...'' ''... and he did all the above in his 30's!! I've never seen a Dublin player improve so much, he went from a fella that looked like he wasn't going to achieve much into being an important part of the most successful Dubs team of all time and can look back at his career and see that he made a tangible difference in winning multiple All Ireland finals for Dublin. There's not many players that can say that'' I don't know.. Surely heavily influencing 3 AI final results in your favour makes you a great player no? Funny though isn't Many wouldn't describe a team as great if they didn't win an AI Even teams that have won a single AI wouldn't be considered great until they won back to backs or won a few titles across a decade. But an individual can be considered great without winning a thing. why (Kildare) - Posts: 142 - 31/03/2018 17:26:18 2089732 Link
How's that ranting about players? Can I not talk about different things? Sorry for upsetting you and all... jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 31/03/2018 18:00:03 2089737 Link
Replying To why: "Why have you changed to talking about Mayo? Were you not ranting about players?" Why does that bother you? jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 31/03/2018 18:01:34 2089738 Link
Replying To dubarra: "I think it's pointless even replying to someone who has their head stuck up their ass.To say a footballer isn't great unless he has an All Ireland medal is ridiculous" Why? What objective measure are you using, the crux of every single arguement against my assertion is I saw such and such any they were brilliant, that pretty much seems the criteria. That's fair enough, all I am suggesting is that I use an objective measure in relation to an outcome. Why should I accept because you rate such and such a player they are great, it's very likely you could no very little about the game. P.S. that's a really disgusting post mate, why feel the need to say something like that. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 31/03/2018 18:05:28 2089740 Link
Replying To why: "Ya but look at who's trying to make that claim" I don't know you mate, so please don't make personalised or generalized comments. Look who are making counter claims, lads from counties who won't get in an arses roar of any tangible success. If this debate has thought me anything, is their is a varying degree amongst individual counties on wha consititutes great in the context of success of counties. For example Dermot Early May be considered a great player in Kildare, maybe in Dublin or Kerry given what they won, perhaps they wouldn't. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 31/03/2018 18:14:38 2089746 Link
Replying To tommy132: "Mayo have over achieved for a long time..forwards have always and seems to be will always be the problem..you say they lost finals they should/could have won so does that take a bit away from Dublins greatness, as they havent beaten a great team?" Nah.. The game has never been played at a higher standard, players have never been as skilful or physically fitter. The best players to play the game exists right now. Tactically/strategically/advanced training methods, the game is far more advanced than ever before in multiple areas. For Dublin to be dominating the game right now is a testament to their greatness. To win as much as they have and to carry the level of consistency across NFL Div 1 and Championship since 2011 when the game is at it's very peak really puts Dublin up there as the greatest team of all time. Fair play to Mayo for competing with Dublin when it matters but when it comes to describing them as great.. nah.. they've had their chances but they've failed. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 31/03/2018 18:20:02 2089747 Link
Brogan, Flynn,Cluxton,McCarthy, McCauley, Kilkenny, Fenton (great players) Connolly (good player) cannot be considered a great player as when he's been tightly marked his performance has dropped and he has never been one of the standout players in an all ireland final. Lee Keegan is unquestionably a great player one of the best half backs of the last 30 years.Between him and Moynihan for me. There is no debate that this Mayo team are a great team that cannot be said unless you have a couple of all irelands in the bag. The problem for Mayo is that there top dozen are as good as Dublin but down from that the Dubs are much stronger. centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 31/03/2018 18:31:15 2089749 Link